trust me , my wife figured out fast enough what the flashing white meant, and I have the bruises to prove it!
I agree with your comments regarding complaining.
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Apple Vision Pro :: No (Arguably Obvious) Outward Recording Indicator
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trust me , my wife figured out fast enough what the flashing white meant, and I have the bruises to prove it!
I agree with your comments regarding complaining.
Because it's not a feature that serves the user of the device in any tangible way.
If you make an exception for the recording indicator, where do you draw the line? What other arbitrary things can you add to a device just for the sake of making other people happy?
Should Apple Vision Pro compliment other people when you look at them to make them feel better? Should it automatically make a money donation when it detects a homeless person in your field of view? Should it pause the game you're playing when it detects that your girlfriend is not happy about how you're spending your free time?
I would argue that the priority with such a feature should be to those around the user
I would also argue that it in no way impedes the user of the device, nor create any drawback whatsoever
Do you realize that is why Apple implemented the outward eyesight feature?
(not compliment them, but make it better to interact with the user inside the AVP... the entire feature is an affordance to accommodate users not inside the AVP)
So how does Apple iPhones comply with this requirement? What happens when a foreigner brings in an iPhone to Japan?
How about a narrow red band on top with a moving red light, going back on forth, from left to right, when the recording is active?
By your command! It sees you now.
I think that this idea would be a pretty clear indication!
This is not the reason why it was implemented.
Eyesight was developed to benefit the user of the device. It allows the user of the device to be able to interact with people around him while using the device. This is convenient for the user, because he can use the device without continuously take it off to interact with other people.
If your reasoning was correct, then also the transparency mode of AirPods Pro would be a feature to "accomodate" other people as you say.
You are telling me what it does. I asked what problem does it solve, which is different.
Why exactly is it a problem not knowing that somebody is recording a video (with whatever device, including the Vision Pro)?
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At least those spatial videos allow strangers to relive those moments they had staring at your kids.
It's not worse because some people will always get their wish of being added on the Darwin Awards list
Fun twist:
As of macOS 14.1 only external cameras using "modern system extension" are allowed. This enables the privacy indicator in the menu bar (can be changed from recovery though, for now):
support.apple.com
As of macOS 14.1 only external cameras using "modern system extension" are allowed. This enables the privacy indicator in the menu bar (can be changed from recovery though, for now):
If you can’t use your camera or video output device after updating to macOS Sonoma 14.1 – Apple Support (UK)
Starting in macOS Sonoma 14.1, cameras and video output devices that don’t use modern system extensions won't be available for use unless you restore the legacy settings.
Don't think there is one even after reading most posts and sure Apple will make the indicator more visible in the future. Alas, I can read no more on this topic
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Can the OP @kylelerner update the title of the thread since we determined that it's false?
I don't see this as pertinent, since this actually solves a problem of user's privacy.Fun twist:
As of macOS 14.1 only external cameras using "modern system extension" are allowed. This enables the privacy indicator in the menu bar (can be changed from recovery though, for now):
If you can’t use your camera or video output device after updating to macOS Sonoma 14.1 – Apple Support (UK)
Starting in macOS Sonoma 14.1, cameras and video output devices that don’t use modern system extensions won't be available for use unless you restore the legacy settings.
If you didn't have such an indicator, your device could act like a hidden camera planted inside your apartment that records you when you are assuming that nobody can see you.
A recording indicator on the Vision Pro wouldn't protect anybody's privacy. If you are sharing the environment with other people, you already gave up your privacy, with or without any device around recording you.
I have updated this in a way I feel is appropriate.
There are clearly two sides here, and I think that this is a fair change to the header.
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Say there’s someone who doesn’t want to be recorded without their knowledge.
That person may feel that this is a problem.
Having an indicator solves that problem, and the hardware already exists to solve that problem.
Be mindful that I have not said anything about what is legal, or what people should expect in public.
I also did not mention that smart phones, and iPads do this without an indicator currently.
I think the above problem/solution scenario above is relatively possible and a solid example of what you are requesting.
1. Courtesy/respect for other people's privacy.
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Do you need another?
People are well within their rights to ask you not to photograph them.
I often do street photgraphy, and it can be very sensitive. You don't just snap indiscriminately.
In my case I give them a smile, make eye contact and raise my camera to make it obvious and if they are OK with it I snap a pic or two. But some people do not want to be photographed.
Hell, Germans are über sensitive about this.
This is just being sneaky.
I am the last person to get all "think about the children", but how would you feel about a guy (it will be a guy) hanging around the play area with one of these on his head?
In Idaho this would get you punched in the face and your Scuba Mask on the ground broken
Falls under the banner of “screw around and find out”
(Keeping it PG here)
I don’t advocate such solutions myself, but I very much understand the impulse in a situation like this
That person may indeed feel this is a problem, but it's not a problem.
Recording what you are seeing doesn't cause any actual disturbance to people around you and it's not a privacy violation.
If we were designing products around what other people might feel is a problem, then I'd have a long list of Karens to introduce to you and your product design team.
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Also in Idaho by doing this you would be a criminal and you would then spend a few years in jail and pay the equivalent of 10 Vision Pros to the owner of the broken "Scuba Mask".
I'm sorry but privacy is not violated if somebody is recording you while you are in a public place. You already gave up your privacy by willingly sharing the same environment with other people.
If this constituted a privacy violation, then we would all need to go around with a chip in our brain that blurs other people's faces unless they gave you explicit consent to look at them.
I understand that some people don't like being photographed, but you are not violating any of their rights when you do that.
It's rage bait for the concern trolls.
I'm not saying it's not a stupid thing to do, but they are doing it precisely because it's a stupid thing to do.