Apple Vision Pro Official Release Date 2/2/2024

[Audentia]

OK, so which competitor has this tech on board for a lower price?

no one, still doesn't justify the price. e.g. the components don't cost that much, this is a "what the market is willing to accept" pricing strategy, and it always has been, which is fine to an extent. (think about drug companies that charge $1000 for a pill, they can, but should they?)

This is also like the studio display, Apple can price it how they want because they have a unique set of features no one else has, but by pricing it high it still limits customer access and puts a bad taste in those who have invested in the apple ecosystem.

You also seem oddly defensive wanting to pay more for a product?

 

[traderdude123]

I want to know display wise how does it compare to working on a OLED TV/Monitor?

Is it more clearer than a Monitor?

 

[Luis Ortega]

Getting this device is like being a pioneer. In the future, they will talk about those who dared to believe, and picked one up early.

I have to get one.

Lol...I remember people saying the same thing about the Segway.

 

[Audentia]

I want to know display wise how does it compare to working on a OLED TV/Monitor?

Is it more clearer than a Monitor?

It's hard to say. I used it for a day, it was very, very good. Maybe not quite as clear as the real thing though. You'll probably want to try it to decide for yourself.

 

[rcarter3636]

It's hard to say. I used it for a day, it was very, very good. Maybe not quite as clear as the real thing though. You'll probably want to try it to decide for yourself.

What about brightness compared to OLED tv showing non hdr material.
Could you take a guess on nit brightness?

 

[TracerAnalog]

no one, still doesn't justify the price. e.g. the components don't cost that much, this is a "what the market is willing to accept" pricing strategy, and it always has been, which is fine to an extent. (think about drug companies that charge $1000 for a pill, they can, but should they?)

This is also like the studio display, Apple can price it how they want because they have a unique set of features no one else has, but by pricing it high it still limits customer access and puts a bad taste in those who have invested in the apple ecosystem.

You also seem oddly defensive wanting to pay more for a product?

Haha no I am not interested in buying it, nor defensive of the pricing. I’m just not interested in the pricing discussion, it’s boring. People expect the AVP to be like and sell like an iPod when it’s not. It’s a niche product like the Mac Pro, and it’s bleeding edge tech. I’m more interested in discussing the merits and problems AR brings, and how the AVP is tackling it in their first gen product. Pricing ridicule is dismissive of the product.

And yes it is prohibitively priced. Maybe for a reason?

 

[traderdude123]

It's hard to say.

If its hard to say then its not worth it.

If there was a clear day and night difference , it would be obvious.

Headset displays are still far behind OLEDs, but just wanted to see if apple made any significant gains in this area.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

For anyone complaining about the storage, remember that the original iPhone had a 4 GB model at first… That they were forced to drop two months in because no one was buying it.
And that, despite it being the most expensive and most popular mobile product, it didn’t get 16 GB until after the iPod touch, it didn’t get 32 GB until a year after the iPod touch, and it didn’t get a 64 GB model until two years after the iPod touch.

So yeah, Steve would never what now again?

Edit: oh yeah, I totally forgot. The 2019 Mac Pro was $5999. It started at 256 GB of storage.
And it was sold up until seven months ago.

 

[CodeSpyder]

I'll be getting one, I hope. My Apple Store app for iPhone and iPad won't let me make a purchase using Apple Card monthly installments for some odd reason. Full price purchase, yes. Monthly installment purchase using the Mac, yes.

 

[4sallypat]

If I bought one, I'd have to hide it from my wife.....

 

[Bustermd]

This device may be the biggest bomb in Apple history.

 

[MonstaMash]

I also am not interested in the pricing discussion. Even if it was $199, the things I care the most about for a launch product are:

1. What are the use cases that make this product unbeatable (like is this the most immersive way to watch a movie? The most engaging way to have a long distance conversion? Etc.)

2. Are people who purchase Apple Vision Pro actually finding clear habits where this product becomes a part of their lives? In other words, does it have a path to become indispensable?

IMO these two early signals will answer a lot about the trajectory for the next decade+ of Apple Vision.

 

[Korican100]

Lol...I remember people saying the same thing about the Segway.

thats right! we owe a lot to the first segway adopters. There are so many smaller electric vehicles today. definitely pioneers.

 

[Bustermd]

I also am not interested in the pricing discussion. Even if it was $199, the things I care the most about for a launch product are:

1. What are the use cases that make this product unbeatable (like is this the most immersive way to watch a movie? The most engaging way to have a long distance conversion? Etc.)

2. Are people who purchase Apple Vision Pro actually finding clear habits where this product becomes a part of their lives? In other words, does it have a path to become indispensable?

IMO these two early signals will answer a lot about the trajectory for the next decade+ of Apple Vision.

I look at it like this: what problem does this product solve?

The iPod - solved the problem of how to carry your entire personal music collection in your pocket; portable music players were a thing for decades before.
The iPhone - combined cellular phone, portable music player, and (for many) portable computer/PDA into one device that worked seamlessly.
The iPad - portable television/media consumption device; main computing device for children, the elderly, and those that only have basic computing needs.

Vision Pro - ?????

 

[vinegarshots]

I look at it like this: what problem does this product solve?

The iPod - solved the problem of how to carry your entire personal music collection in your pocket; portable music players were a thing for decades before.
The iPhone - combined cellular phone, portable music player, and (for many) portable computer/PDA into one device that worked seamlessly.
The iPad - portable television/media consumption device; main computing device for children, the elderly, and those that only have basic computing needs.

Vision Pro - ?????

I agree. The problem with headsets is that there’s a lot of friction involved. Putting a heavy device on your face is not comfortable. So there has to be some major benefit to using one to make it worthwhile. On the Quest devices, it’s primarily immersive gaming. Apple is trying to focus on a workflow/computing angle and media consumption, but those applications are especially affected by the comfort issue. Wearing a heavy headset to work on a spreadsheet is dumb. No one really WANTS to do that. Which means that the big problem to solve is form-factor. It needs to super light and comfortable like a pair of glasses to truly go mainstream.

 

[Korican100]

I look at it like this: what problem does this product solve?

The iPod - solved the problem of how to carry your entire personal music collection in your pocket; portable music players were a thing for decades before.
The iPhone - combined cellular phone, portable music player, and (for many) portable computer/PDA into one device that worked seamlessly.
The iPad - portable television/media consumption device; main computing device for children, the elderly, and those that only have basic computing needs.

Vision Pro - ?????

those products weren't dubbed solutions to those problems out the gate. As a matter of fact, none of those problems were considered problems back then at all. Also,all those products had "half-ass" predecessors: Ipod had the Rio, iPhone had the blackberry, and iPad had the windows xp tablet/lenovo thinkpad.

VisionPro has the PSVRs and Oculuses etc
Thus, we have yet to see what Vision Pro's combination of features, developer community, and positioning in the apple ecosystem will solve going forward.

 

[zach-coleman]

Good luck to those of you who get one early on. Hopefully I’ll be around for the day it goes 3G.

 

[Itsedstech]

My gift cards and wallet are ready 😤

 

[vinegarshots]

those products weren't dubbed solutions to those problems out the gate. As a matter of fact, none of those problems were considered problems back then at all. Also,all those products had "half-ass" predecessors: Ipod had the Rio, iPhone had the blackberry, and iPad had the windows xp tablet/lenovo thinkpad.

VisionPro has the PSVRs and Oculuses etc
Thus, we have yet to see what Vision Pro's combination of features, developer community, and positioning in the apple ecosystem will solve going forward.

iPhones and iPods took big clunky tech with bad user interfaces and made them sleek portable devices with a much better user interface.

Apple Vision Pro is taking big clunky tech and creating a much better user interface (for a very specific use-case), while not solving the big clunky form factor that keeps a lot of people from using VR devices.

 

[Korican100]

iPhones and iPods took big clunky tech with bad user interfaces and made them sleek portable devices with a much better user interface.

Apple Vision Pro is taking big clunky tech and creating a much better user interface (for a very specific use-case), while not solving the big clunky form factor that keeps a lot of people from using VR devices.

I wouldn't compare it to phones or mobile devices. I'd compare it to a laptop/desktop in terms of being big clunky tech, and when compared, its still 'mobile' enough and orders of magnitude more immersive. But I wouldn't compare it to any of these devices, as its a new experience, even amongst the already existing VR headsets.

 

[Audentia]

What about brightness compared to OLED tv showing non hdr material.
Could you take a guess on nit brightness?

oh maybe I misunderstood. I am thinking about the virtual windows and screens it projects and how that would be used for productivity and how it compares to physical TVs or monitors, not the overall quality of the lens / camera pass through. The windows and text look just about as if they were real but maybe not quite as clear or precise, but its very close.

The overall quality is insane, the brightness is surely good enough, ie it replicates very bright lights and everything enough to make you squint just like looking at a real light. When you first look at your hands with it, you think you are looking through it e.g. as if it were glass, not a screen with cameras sending you a video. And that is probably the most impressive thing about it. However, it doesn't handle motion well, and the illusion is then broken.

 

[Audentia]

Haha no I am not interested in buying it, nor defensive of the pricing. I’m just not interested in the pricing discussion, it’s boring. People expect the AVP to be like and sell like an iPod when it’s not. It’s a niche product like the Mac Pro, and it’s bleeding edge tech. I’m more interested in discussing the merits and problems AR brings, and how the AVP is tackling it in their first gen product. Pricing ridicule is dismissive of the product.

And yes it is prohibitively priced. Maybe for a reason?

Ohh I see, I misunderstood. Actually yeah I agree with all that. The price still bugs me, but yeah agreed there are more interesting things to discuss.

 

[Audentia]

If its hard to say then its not worth it.

If there was a clear day and night difference , it would be obvious.

Headset displays are still far behind OLEDs, but just wanted to see if apple made any significant gains in this area.

hmm may have been a misunderstanding, the quality of the headset screens and camera pass through is next level, I could see watching a movie on it, that being said its still not perfect and the virtual displays have maybe ever so slight grain / fuzziness. When you move your head especially the cameras are not as quick as your eyes so things seem blurry for a moment until they refocus. And maybe thats still not worth it to you, for me it was impressive, again I just want it to be even better and cheaper, which eventually it will, but no mistake it is still impressive in this iteration.

 

[Audentia]

For anyone complaining about the storage, remember that the original iPhone had a 4 GB model at first… That they were forced to drop two months in because no one was buying it.
And that, despite it being the most expensive and most popular mobile product, it didn’t get 16 GB until after the iPod touch, it didn’t get 32 GB until a year after the iPod touch, and it didn’t get a 64 GB model until two years after the iPod touch.

So yeah, Steve would never what now again?

Edit: oh yeah, I totally forgot. The 2019 Mac Pro was $5999. It started at 256 GB of storage.
And it was sold up until seven months ago.

The early iPhone was a completely different technical era as it relates to flash storage and its pricing, so I don't think it applies.

Agreed though it has nothing to do with Jobs or Cook, its Apple and has always been Apple.

I did forget about the mac pro, that is crazy to me as well. I just thought for $3k and above a 1Tb would be standard like with their MacBook pros and mac studio.

 

[Audentia]

those products weren't dubbed solutions to those problems out the gate. As a matter of fact, none of those problems were considered problems back then at all. Also,all those products had "half-ass" predecessors: Ipod had the Rio, iPhone had the blackberry, and iPad had the windows xp tablet/lenovo thinkpad.

VisionPro has the PSVRs and Oculuses etc
Thus, we have yet to see what Vision Pro's combination of features, developer community, and positioning in the apple ecosystem will solve going forward.

this is well said