Apple Vision Pro Onboarding Videos Unearthed in visionOS Beta 6

[Surf Monkey]

That may be true but it’s got nothing at all to do with evolution 🤦

Basically all aspects of all living things on the planet are the result of evolution. The fact that the vast majority of people resist things that cover their faces says it all. Humans have an innate dislike of blindfolds, gags, masks, you name it. You can say “no no no” all you want, but the actual real world behavior of people renders that reply pointless.

 

[darngooddesign]

I rebutted each of those examples individually. Attempting to put words in my mouth and then basically ignoring the substance of what I actually said it a sure way to have your argument fail.

Hard to find substance where it is lacking.

You say AV will fail because people have an evolutionary aversion to face coverings. I gave several examples of activities where people wear goggles and head coverings. Therefore, people can control and ignore this aversion you are claiming.

False. You should probably spend some time reading the actual thread.

False

 

[darngooddesign]

Basically all aspects of all living things on the planet are the result of evolution. The fact that the vast majority of people resist things that cover their faces says it all. Humans have an innate dislike of blindfolds, gags, masks, you name it. You can say “no no no” all you want, but the actual real world behavior of people renders that reply pointless.

Sure, when they are forced to wear them; however, during fun voluntary activities, like adult sexy time, parties, cosplay, halloween, etc. those aren't an issue.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Hard to find substance where it is lacking.

It isn’t lacking substance and that’s why you keep dodging.

You say AV will fail because people have an evolutionary aversion to face coverings.

That’s probably the single biggest barrier to adoption but there are a number of others too.

I gave several examples of activities where people wear goggles and head coverings. Therefore, people can control and ignore this aversion you are claiming.

False

And I demonstrated that in several of your examples the wearing of these things had to be mandated by law. People were and are willing to risk catastrophic injuries, illnesses and death in order not to wear something on their faces and or heads. So you haven’t countered my point at all.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Sure, when they are forced to wear them; however, during sexy times and other fun activities those aren't so much of an issue.

Ridiculous straw grasping.

 

[darngooddesign]

And I demonstrated that in several of your examples the wearing of these things had to be mandated by law. People were and are willing to risk catastrophic injuries, illnesses and death in order not to wear something on their faces and or heads. So you haven’t countered my point at all.

People are mandated with wear half helmets. Wearing a full face helmet is done voluntarily because the activity is fun. If the aversion were as strongly ingrained as you suggest it is, people wouldn't ride motorcycles while wearing full face helmets.

Most people wouldn't just sit around the house wearing goggles, but if the VR activity is fun then they would.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Basically all aspects of all living things on the planet are the result of evolution. The fact that the vast majority of people resist things that cover their faces says it all. Humans have an innate dislike of blindfolds, gags, masks, you name it. You can say “no no no” all you want, but the actual real world behavior of people renders that reply pointless.

Look - it’s ok! I actually agree. AR with goggle like this is a stretch for most people unless under certain circumstances. But that was once the case with mainframes. And mobile phones. And many other things.

All the rest of it is you airing your opinion and trying to state it all as fact. All your face mask and evolution nonsense is proof of it. Evolution has nothing to do with it. Have cats evolved not to like gags or face masks? Unlikely. It’s a rarity. Stick one on a cat though, and they won’t like it. That’s not evolution you’re witnessing though.

Change the record and you might get some understanding.

You’re creating a strawman argument to make your point. But your point is valid. So stop?

 

[Surf Monkey]

People are mandated with wear half helmets. Wearing a full face helmet is done voluntarily because the activity is fun. If the aversion were as strongly ingrained as you suggest it is, people wouldn't ride motorcycles while wearing full face helmets.

Most people wouldn't just sit around the house wearing goggles, but if the VR activity is fun then they would.

Obviously I disagree with your reductive argument and have already pointed out plenty of examples of why you’re wrong.

 

[darngooddesign]

Obviously I disagree with your reductive argument and have already pointed out plenty of examples of why you’re wrong.

Agree to disagree and all that. 👍

 

[AppliedMicro]

If one enjoys something, or one has to do something like wear a certain piece of uncomfortable clothing to do it, one will do it anyway

...if the enjoyment, if the trade-off is worth it.

Scuba diving without a mask is just impractical, and motorcycling or skiing without a helmet is just incredibly dangerous (or often uninsured) over the long term. Yet the activities are enjoyable for enough people to wear masks/helmets.

But there's a difference: you're looking at the real environment through your mask/helmet during these activities - not at a flat illuminated screen mounted at a fixed distance of only an inch or so before your eyes.

Again, is the trade-off worth it for that?

The fact that 3D cinema (let alone home cinema) achieved lasting mainstream popularity makes me doubt that. Neither did Virtual Reality headsets achieve great popularity with gamers or the porn industry and its audience - both of which have often been rather eager, early adopters of new/better technology.

 

[cupcakes2000]

...if the enjoyment, if the trade-off is worth it.

Scuba diving without a mask is just impractical, and motorcycling or skiing without a helmet is just incredibly dangerous (or often uninsured) over the long term. Yet the activities are enjoyable for enough people to wear masks/helmets.

But there's a difference: you're looking at the real environment through your mask/helmet during these activities - not at a flat illuminated screen mounted at a fixed distance of only an inch or so before your eyes.

Again, is the trade-off worth it for that?

The fact that 3D cinema (let alone home cinema) achieved lasting mainstream popularity makes me doubt that. Neither did Virtual Reality headsets achieve great popularity with gamers or the porn industry and its audience - both of which have often been rather eager, early adopters of new/better technology.

That’s a different subject to the one the quote was referring.

You’re arguing as to whether the whole concept itself is worth it, not just wearing the goggles.

That’s a different debate to the one I was having with the other person.

I will say though, that comparing AR to 3Dtv as you have and is often done - is complete folly. Even comparing it to VR is a little bit of a stretch although those two things are a lot more connected. There is a world of difference between the concepts. Like it or not AR is here to stay, albeit I don’t know what form it will end up as.

Augmenting reality with tech has been the goal since forever, arguably.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

And Tim Cook messed up by not officially calling it a hobby and then running around telling everyone that it’s the next iPhone. Sorry, it is not the next iPhone. Not now, not five years from now, not ever. It goes on your face. A deal breaker for the majority of people.

Tim has never once said that it would replace the iPhone.
The only people who have said that are analysts and journalists, who are making predictions about what might happen in the 2030s and 2040s, something they (and literally everyone here) knows absolutely nothing about.

What I have noticed from Apple, since they introduced the Apple Vision Pro… Is that they’ve been very much focusing on the iPhone as a companion to it, not as a technological predecessor.

Spatial videos can be captured on the headset of course, but no one really wants to do that. So where do you capture your videos? On the iPhone, of course.


If anything, the Apple Vision Pro has been marketed more as a MacBook/iPad replacement.

They have specifically called it a “spatial computer”.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

In effect he’s saying Mac -> iPhone -> Apple Vision. That’s a clear case of setting expectations WAY too high for a product that to all appearances doesn’t live up to it and probably never will.

that seems to be your expectation, but there was never a Mac>iPhone moment, and it’s been almost 2 decades since that thing was introduced.

If any product was supposed to be the future of apples computing platform beyond the Macintosh, it was the iPad.

It’s been 13 years, and that has not happened.

Which continues my argument, if the AVP replaces anything, it’s going to be the iPad.

Even then, that is still at least a decade away.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Still waiting for valid criticism beyond price and battery life.

I think the weight of the thing (currently estimated to be about 450G)might pose a barrier to wide adoption.

Then again, I thought no one in my family would ever want to use a gaming VR headset, then we got the PSVR and it’s used more than our actual PlayStation and that thing is bulky and extremely annoying to use and has to be wired to our entertainment center during use, so what do I know.

 

[turbineseaplane]

but your comment feels like the comments when the iPad was introduced: "It's just a big iPhone".

That's....exactly what the iPad has turned out to be for the majority of people and uses

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

That's....exactly what the iPad has turned out to be for the majority of people and uses

I love the iPad, but this is exactly why I still can’t use it as a MacBook replacement, despite not even getting close to fully utilizing the extra capabilities of macOS.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I love the iPad, but this is exactly why I still can’t use it as a MacBook replacement, despite not even getting close to fully utilizing the extra capabilities of macOS.

It should have a real file and windowing system. Apple’s tip-toeing around with stage manager and Files is lame.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

It should have a real file and windowing system. Apple’s tip-toeing around with stage manager and Files is lame.

Agree.
Although I’ve heard the much improved stage manager in 17 is quite a bit more useful, though I’ve never had the chance to use it myself.