This is a good example. Making it about the person, not the topic.
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This is a good example. Making it about the person, not the topic.
Because this is something the majority of people do? Nope. Absolutism isn’t really a rebuttal.
The topic is discussed by... persons, who have various levels of knowledge about a subject, including AR.
How can the topic of AR be fruitfully discussed when many people have zero knowledge about AR?
Try and dig a little deeper on the subject of AR and its utility instead of proclaiming (guaranteeing?) people will not use something that goes on their face.
Insinuating that you have superior knowledge of the subject and attempting to make it a point in your argument is fallacious.
What a funny comeback from someone who mass-accused people of doing “mental gymnastics” to “justify” their desire for AVP.
I already offered counter-substance to your “substance”, and of course all you did was add a lol emoji: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...thed-in-visionos-beta-6.2411019/post-32728438
The issue is, that it is about you, and you’re not offering much substance that’s actually about AVP. The opinions that you’re conflating with “substance” is just your personal, out-of-touch disdain for AVP.
EDIT 1: My apologies, the “mental gymnastics” nonsense came from someone else. There’s more than one person writing nonsense, and I’m sorry I conflated the two of you.
EDIT 2: Furthermore, I did address the substance of one of your posts, which you conveniently ignored: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...thed-in-visionos-beta-6.2411019/post-32728402
Your little 'Sony spatial screen' example (which I do think is cool, but may never gain mass appeal) really shows me that you are the one who has a problem with devices on your face. (Possibly due to some ideological reason rather than primal human reason, throwing your "humans evolved" argument into the trash.) And guess what? That's a-okay. Apple doesn't have Gestapo agents like the IRS who's gonna force an AVP on your face, do they?
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Yes, the majority of people have evolved to control their base reactions.
And before you accuse me of more absolutism, only 3/5 of these people are wearing goggles.
OMG these people have their whole heads covered, some of them are only wearing half helmets so nothing absolutist about it.
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No such insinuation.
Feel free to offer your insight/thoughts/knowledge/etc about AR, how it's used with use-cases, etc, and express why you think Apple is making a huge mistake. That doesn't include guaranteeing customers won't put a device on their face.
Literally the best objective argument against your nonsense is just how many people have bought Quests and AR glasses and other devices, which are objectively inferior to the quality and experience of AVP.
There is already a WHOLE ESTABLISHED MARKET that invalidates the “substance” of your disdain for AVP.
You’re the one making an absolutist argument that has been invalidated multiple ways by us, from other AR/VR headsets to health facial masks to makeup to ski goggles to bicycle helmets.
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Bingo! and then there's the professional/commercial side of AR used to assist in various endeavors (AR-assisted surgery, at one end of the high-end spectrum, for example) that Quests/etc will never address.
Apple sees an entry into the AR market with their device and a suite of apps, at a price that will likely be very competitive.
Stay tuned!
I can't believe all these bikers (scooterers?) — especially the shark up front — didn't evolve to reject things covering their faces. They really skipped their development of human evolution. Shame on them.
Definitely needed to reset my brain as every time I read AVP in your response, I could only think of this:
It's the model they used. She's very.... dystopian.
Oh, well I knew about these tutorials, and I know that even Apple has taken on their channel, but I mean baked into the software itself.
Right! The one for the Persona video gave me an odd feeling, glad I’m not the only one!
I appreciate you making several of my points about the user base this is for and I had to lol at saying I’m an apple hater. The harshest critics are generally going to be the ones that actually want something to succeed. Dude, ever since the A7 (first 64-bit ARM chip) all I kept hoping and dreaming about was Apple making their own silicon that would change the computing industry and here we are.
Thanks to these amazing advances we have something that is possible with something like the AVP.
The problem with it is, is it isn’t doing much different than meta or Microsoft (or even Sony) has been doing for quite some time it just does it in a shiny package with fantastic lenses, no amount of PR fluff can change that. Apple knows that. And I have used all these headsets and they are great for short burst, I owned a few, and I just wanted something that made this into more than a hobby or a niche. But Apple knows it will continue to be a hobby and niche, so why not corner—or even carve out a niche within the niche for themselves, and that is the route they chose.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that knows this basic fact. Don’t get me wrong man I have used plenty of VR and AR devices. I owned a 3DTV before! But people just hate **** on top of their head unless it’s used for protection, to cover something up, or correct/protect their vision.
Someone gave the ridiculous example of scuba diving as “evolving”, which once again is protecting you from something and is necessary to not die. But even then you aren’t going to find millions of people willing to put all that crap on their face to begin with.
I want AVP to succeed, but not at all how it is now. Right now it is simply for people that have a fun hobby, and like Steve said about Apple TV originally, this is basically just a fun hobby for Apple.
And Tim Cook messed up by not officially calling it a hobby and then running around telling everyone that it’s the next iPhone. Sorry, it is not the next iPhone. Not now, not five years from now, not ever. It goes on your face. A deal breaker for the majority of people.
Nope. As mentioned above this, devices that offer protection in order to enable activities like biking and diving don’t rebut my point. In fact, bike helmets support it:
Most municipalities have had to mandate helmets for riders… because people don’t like wearing them to the point of being willing to risk a catastrophic brain injury to go bare headed. Same applies to motorcycle helmets where the risk is far more lethal.
Face masks for health reasons? Did you really just use that to support your argument? It’s more than clear that face masks are INCREDIBLY divisive exactly because people don’t want to wear things on their faces unless they absolutely have to. Countless millions opted not to wear a face mask in the midst of a deadly pandemic, preferring a bare face to potential death.
Ski Goggles are a necessary accessory for skiing. People don’t opt to wear them casually.
Eye glasses are used to mitigate a physical disability so those don’t count.
Makeup?? Are you kidding? That isn’t the same thing since it doesn’t obstruct your eyes, nose or mouth. It’s a horrible example and completely irrelevant.
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I don’t think he specifically said it was the next iPhone (I may be wrong) but it 100% is a hobby project right now. And a lot of people, I mean a lot get triggered when you say that. I made a thread about it in the AVP section of the forums. It’s akin to when Steve said the same thing about AppleTV and it does just fine now.
I wonder if maybe if they let the designers at Apple have more push and not the pragmatists like Cook and Willams, if this would have been the truly revolutionary thing. At the very least they would have made it more stylish like the watch, and not unsurprising like the concept renders people were making 2-3 years before its launch.
Motorcycle helmets are mandated by law because so many people refused to wear them and ended up catastrophically injured or dead on the public dime. The joke isn’t funny, it just demonstrates that valid criticism isn’t welcome in some circles.
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