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There is nothing about this Apple Vision Pro headset that will solve anything. You are better off using your phone or TV and moving on with your life. Oh you have to buy a prescription for those that use glasses. Oh you have to use dual bands because it’s too heavy. Oh I have to use my hands to move the UI. Oh I can’t use it for HDMI devices. Oh I have to worry about a 2.5 hour battery life. Oh… It’s insane. 🤷‍♂️ XReal AR glasses looks way better and actually DOES solve a problem.
 
256gb. For $3499. I can’t. I just cannot. I get that this isn’t priced for a bloke like me but they couldn’t spring for 512 at least????

This company has a hard-on for being hyper-stingy over storage capacities.

And for a while now top-tier SSDs have been super cheap. It's pretty pathetic.

But, they're raking in the cash.
 
Apple's "Apple Tax" is getting pretty extreme
The cost on object is not a tax.

It's the cost the company needs to price in order to continue to be profitable.

This is one of my triggers, I suppose, but people today don't seem to understand why things are priced the way they are.

The Apple Vision Pro is a luxury item. It is not meant to exist in some sort of isolated island. The AVP is part of an extended system of products and the buyer of the AVP is expected to be fully bought-into that extended system.
 
A streaming world? With a 2 hour battery life? Media consumption device? Tell that to apple, they say it’s a spatial computer.
it is…you can buy more batteries if you want it use it that way…you can connect it to your mac and use it as a monitor, or compute right off it, it’s got an M2!…I’m pretty sure you will be able to connect a long usb cable to power brick and runoff that…I’m getting it with an extra battery back and a long usb-c cable…done…what it is not is a storage device…if this fails (which I don’t think it will) it will have nothing to do with storage
 
I have no need after initial evaluation over summer. I have a 15 PM, latest gen 6 12.9 iPad Pro, and M2 Pro 16 inch MacBook Pro and Apple TV why do I need more. If I were single and lived alone I might like to play with one but not a gamer and not sure it would be nicer than physically working on macbook or streaming on my iPad Pro. I am also not single and wife prefers I set there where she can see my face when working on ipad in living room LOL the Vison Pro would not Be approved certainly not a socialization tool LOL. So no thanks just do not see a need but then have not been interested in any of headsets.
I would have put money down on you getting one RJ. Happy New Year! 😉
 
The cost on object is not a tax.

It's the cost the company needs to price in order to continue to be profitable.

This is one of my triggers, I suppose, but people today don't seem to understand why things are priced the way they are.

The Apple Vision Pro is a luxury item. It is not meant to exist in some sort of isolated island. The AVP is part of an extended system of products and the buyer of the AVP is expected to be fully bought-into that extended system.
At what point does "profitable" become greed? Or do business classes teach students that there is no greed, that in fact it's just how business works? I think Apple could price products much cheaper and still be profitable, but shareholders (now that's who you SHOULD have mentioned) would be sad.
 
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Interesting to see Apple including USB C power adapter and cable in the box. Maybe after a couple of generations, Apple will drop this from the box
 
256gb. For $3499. I can’t. I just cannot. I get that this isn’t priced for a bloke like me but they couldn’t spring for 512 at least????
But if they did that they couldn't earn their usual 1,000% markup/Apple Tax on the upgrades! Nor would as many buyers return a couple of years down the line wanting to buy another Vision Pro mainly because they ran out of storage...
 
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We have no idea what the storage requirements will be. Like the Apple TV with 128 is way overkill.
We do know people will be using it offline, unlike an Apple TV, and as such will need to store movies and music and games and whatnot on it, and we know how much space those can take up, so we can extrapolate minimum storage requirements easily
 
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No event means nothing to show off
True, there is probably nothing to show off we did not see in the introduction at WWDC. The features have been shown already, and whatever Apple worked on wrt usability, people can only experience first hand wearing this thing.
 
At what point does "profitable" become greed? Or do business classes teach students that there is no greed, that in fact it's just how business works? I think Apple could price products much cheaper and still be profitable, but shareholders (now that's who you SHOULD have mentioned) would be sad.
Well, profit maximisation is basic Econs 101. You model how many units a product is likely to sell at a particular price, then settle on a price level that would maximise the amount of profit made. Granted, it's a lot more complicated for a company like Apple where one product can affect the popularity of another (eg: Apple Watch sales is kinda tied to phone install base), but that's like the gist of it.


I felt this article did a pretty job of breaking this down. Spare a few minutes if you can.
 
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With this being a US only launch, I can't help but wonder if this is Apple beta testing the product before a wider release. Iron out the kinks, up the specs (M4 or M4 Pro, 512GB storage, 16GB RAM, 120hz ProMotion), and release the improved article next year.
 
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I think Apple could price products much cheaper
Apple has, from the beginning, been developing its brand as aspirational.

Compare the Apple II computers to, say, Commodore of the time.

And Apple has, usually, delivered products and services that make them desirable to customers.

Apple is what it is because people want it to be that way. Really. That's why it is successful. We can all attempt to look at life through idealist lenses, but in the end the stockholders and Wall Street investment companies want Apple to be what it is.

We are getting what we want.

Or, at least what we think we want.

I contend that much of the PC world is underpriced. Our current buying sprees, globally, are not sustainable.
 
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Why are people going crazy about the storage? We have no idea how much storage you'd need on it. It's likely you don't need much for what it does.

Just like with nits on a monitor after a certain point, people just want to see a bigger number even when it would not matter.
As a general rule of thumb, a 10-minute 3D Vision Pro video at 1920x1080 resolution, 120fps frame rate, 8-bit color, and H.264 codec will be around 10GB in size. However, the actual size can vary depending on the specific content of the video.


Apple says one minute of spatial video @1080p and 30fps “is approximately 130 MB.”


So, you cannot store a lot of videos on this. You have to keep offloading them to external storage or connect to an external storage to play the videos if there are a lot of them. Playing them from external storage could reduce the battery life, which is already low (2.5 hrs, I think). So, if you are going on a trip, you will spend a lot of time copying videos from and to the device.
 
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As a general rule of thumb, a 10-minute 3D Vision Pro video at 1920x1080 resolution, 120fps frame rate, 8-bit color, and H.264 codec will be around 10GB in size. However, the actual size can vary depending on the specific content of the video.


Apple says one minute of spatial video @1080p and 30fps “is approximately 130 MB.”


So, you cannot store a lot of videos on this. You have to keep offloading them to external storage or connect to an external storage to play the videos if there are a lot of them. Playing them from external storage could reduce the battery life, which is already low (2.5 hrs, I think). So, if you are going on a trip, you will spend a lot of time copying videos from and to the device.
I fully agree. Will it even have means of connecting to external storage? Will the storage be a forced upsell? Buy 2TB and we'll double the RAM while we're at it?
 
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Haha, this means there are no apps for it. But why be upset? This is just VR* stream screen for your eyes. Who will be carying their music library and listening on this? Movies ok, but you can stream, and Apple wants you to stream! Try using your own content, even bought on iTunes, on your modern appl device. They don't care, they want you just to be a subscriber. So yeah, the GB size makes sense to me, but it is pathetic TBH.
 
With this being a US only launch, I can't help but wonder if this is Apple beta testing the product before a wider release. Iron out the kinks, up the specs (M4 or M4 Pro, 512GB storage, 16GB RAM, 120hz ProMotion), and release the improved article next year.
Beta testing is done before product launch, US only release most likely due to limited availability.
As for updated specs and improvements coming in the future, you can safely bet on it.
 
Beta testing is done before product launch, US only release most likely due to limited availability.
As for updated specs and improvements coming in the future, you can safely bet on it.
But specs that are much better one year later? Jury is out. If Apple wanted to churn out loads of these they could- but they're happy with a limited release until it's perfect, I think.
 
But specs that are much better one year later? Jury is out. If Apple wanted to churn out loads of these they could- but they're happy with a limited release until it's perfect, I think.
When have specs been "much better" objectively between product iterations at Apple?
Yes, they add some features now and then considered to be a big step up, like Watch with Cellular, 5G on iPhone, the first Retina display back in the day.
But most of the time its incremental updates with Apple.
 
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There is nothing about this Apple Vision Pro headset that will solve anything. You are better off using your phone or TV and moving on with your life. Oh you have to buy a prescription for those that use glasses. Oh you have to use dual bands because it’s too heavy. Oh I have to use my hands to move the UI. Oh I can’t use it for HDMI devices. Oh I have to worry about a 2.5 hour battery life. Oh… It’s insane. 🤷‍♂️ XReal AR glasses looks way better and actually DOES solve a problem.
If you feel like this, then there is a simple solution for you: don't buy.
I bet enough people think this is cool new tech, a toy if you will, and buy it.
 
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