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Reminds me so much of the goggles in DOOM

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I wonder if they’ll make a carrying case for it like the AirPods Max
 
Now I wonder about the combination of "virtual personal FaceTime" and the person-sensing/eye-display-to-outside-people.

If you're in person using this around another person also using it, will it replace their head with the virtual persona version so you don't even see that they're wearing one, too?
 
Again, I think there was a clear problem that it addressed. Limited screen real estate. Especially when traveling. Plus the privacy aspect of not having your screen visible in public.
Virtual monitors is incredibly niche. Outside of the Mac Pro, Apple is not a company that makes niche products. Most companies are Windows based. How does this product even work with Windows, if at all? Unless the expectation is all work will be done on web based applications in the cloud?
 
I just watched several YouTube videos of people who tried it out yesterday. I don’t think I have seen that kind of amazement from reviewers since the original iPhone (which also had many skeptics…at the time).
Yes - this has enormous potential.
However the convenient mass market device is still years ahead - while the original iPhone already was it, or at least the 3G was.
 
To everyone complaining about the price, or the utility as a stand alone product in 2023…. Is it THAT hard to understand this is not the end goal? They don’t care if they sell 100k of them and nothing more. They need the real world usage to drive future innovation and they need mass production of new parts to drive down prices for… the future.

It’s been everywhere for years that they want to make AR glasses - the real killer device everyone will want. They have to do this first and they’re the only company in the world willing to roll out a niche product first in order to get there.

It’s really not hard logic.
Lol. It's obviously "hard logic" for some. Selling 100K units won't do anything to drive component costs down. Not sure how 100K units = mass production either. So much for logic.

Apple needs Vision Pro to sell millions and millions of units. Apple isn't a charity. They didn't invest billions of dollars in R&D and work on this product for many years just to sell 100K units. 100K units sold would be a complete disaster. Get real.
 
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Exactly. People not having a clue what they are talking about and comparing low end junk devices. It's like comparing a feature phone to the iPhone. There is a market there for high-end devices, like you've shown. It may be small but it will serve to filter the tech and features down to the mainstream in time.

This company are making high-end VR/AR headsets close to the the Vision Pro, with the computing focus and are targeting enterprise. They're working with some of the world's largest corporations. Even their devices don't look to come close to the Vision Pro but their highest spec model is 6495.

It's not for everyone yet and it's not meant to be. And that's fine. The annoyance of dumb self obsessed fanboys particularly on this forum, who behave exactly as expected and previously demonstrated getting aggravated because Apple isn't 1000% focussed on their needs 1000% of the time.

except this already is more useful than a HoloLens. And looks way better with far more onboard computing power. I have used a HoloLens and it was cool. This is far beyond what a HoloLens can do. This can replace my laptop....
 
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Sure but again, who is going to wear bulky goggles that make you look like a dork to watch movies or a sporting event?
The much more realistic view and feel will give a wow effect. But I think in the long run it will be similar to 3D TVs. People become bored quickly and don’t like to wear additional stuff.
 
I'll be OK with talking to someone wearing this when this outward-facing EyeSight screen is pretty darn good and almost bezels-less. Those thick black bezels and the weird screen colour (why doesn't it look like a truly transparent piece of glass btw?) make the experience a bit... meh.

I know that it's an incredible piece of gear and some didn't even bother trying to implement something like EyeSight. Kudos to Apple for trying.

But I would still prefer that you remove your headset while having a conversation with me, sorry.
 
I'll be OK with talking to someone wearing this when this outward-facing EyeSight screen is pretty darn good and almost bezels-less. Those thick black bezels and the weird screen colour (why doesn't it look like a truly transparent piece of glass btw?) make the experience a bit... meh.

I know that it's an incredible piece of gear and some didn't even bother trying to implement something like EyeSight. Kudos to Apple for trying.

But I would still prefer that you remove your headset while having a conversation with me, sorry.
I feel like if someone is going to have a conversation with me while wearing the Apple Vision Pro Headset. I'm going to get offended and disrespected. I want to see actual eyes, not a glass screen.
 
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Not a single Apple video that I saw showed someone with a headset walking around real people except the Dad who was using it as a video camera (Just as isolating as the dad with the giant camcorder in the 1980s).

People keep saying apple will have a hard time convincing people to wear it around others....but I dont think apple is planing that at all. Thats peoples view of AR and VR from sci-fi. Apple is sci-fi but not yet at that level.

Apple missed the timing with the pandemic here. It would have been a hit for sure four years earlier.
 
My hot take:

With its current limited feature set and very high-price, it’s absolutely not for everyone.

If it does well in 2024 as far as developers putting work in to make great apps for it, and it sells well given the price tag, this can be the start of something actually great.

Forget what you know about current movies, TV shows, and sports events. Imagine a new experience where you become fully immersed in whatever you’re watching? Standing in the Octogon during a UFC fight, front row to a concert, court side seats at a NBA game or physically being a part of a movie. I think there’s an UNBELIEVABLE amount of potential that we can see unfold over the next decade.

And that’s just taking entertainment into account. Think about the possibilities for education. Medical students can practice surgeries, engineering students can test designs, etc.. possibilities can be endless.

At $3500 it’s not for me, but if
everything goes well I feel confident there will be lower priced models in the future. This could be the start of a new industry all together, and maybe one day even be as prevalent as TVs are in homes.
The Oculus pretty much does all that, and for 400 bucks....
 
Virtual monitors is incredibly niche. Outside of the Mac Pro, Apple is not a company that makes niche products. Most companies are Windows based. How does this product even work with Windows, if at all? Unless the expectation is all work will be done on web based applications in the cloud?
A lot of things are niche... until they're not. Apple is obviously betting that they won't be in the future. Personally, I'd love to work outside from time to time without having to worry about glare and fiddling with a laptop. People that spend a lot of time on planes and trains and hotels would certainly benefit. And then there are the multitude of specialized AR applications that developers can deliver across various industries.

As far as "Windows-based" companies. The obvious answer is the same way that iOS and Mac devices currently work in enterprise. Yes, there are Windows-only programs. But the vast majority of enterprise jobs don't need more than Office and the web. Both of which are available on Apple devices.
 
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It still unclear, to me, if this is an actual standalone computer/device, or just an overpriced peripheral.
It's a standalone computer with an M2. Think iPad Pro replacement maybe MacBook air. If work will let me it will be my next laptop.
 
Yes - this has enormous potential.
However the convenient mass market device is still years ahead - while the original iPhone already was it, or at least the 3G was.
I really think people need to stop comparing headsets (in general) to phones. The phone was a tool that basically everyone on Earth already knew 1) why it was important, and 2) how to use it. Mobile phones were already a big thing. The iPhone made the experience much better. There's very little similarity to the current situation with headsets. Existing headsets are still very niche. The vast majority of humanity does not use them, nor do they see a need for them. It's a completely specious comparison.
 
Apple missed the timing with the pandemic here. It would have been a hit for sure four years earlier.
I too habe the feeling that the development took longer than expected. There was this meta hype some time ago. Now everything is about AI.
 
Lol. It's obviously "hard logic" for some. Selling 100K units won't do anything to drive component costs down. Not sure how 100K units = mass production either. So much for logic.

Apple needs Vision Pro to sell millions and millions of units. Apple isn't a charity. They didn't invest billions of dollars in R&D and work on this product for many years just to sell 100K units. 100K units sold would be a complete disaster. Get real.
This will not sell in millions and Apple knows this - this gives Apple the option to learn and build future devices.
 
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so all are in agreement that this is the best headset.
Now Apple, you have like ~ 9 months to really show us how why we want/need one. There is huge potential and the average Apple consumer needs use cases beyond entertainment (3D TV, gaming)...
 
Are monitors and TV's going away? No. This doesn't make sense. And, you clearly don't understand the market when the iPod was created.
They are. It will take time, but HMDs will be the most commonly used display/computer interface within 15 years. iPod came out in a world where mp3 players were harder to use than portable CD players, with worse quality sound, slow usb 1.1 sync, no easy sync/management software, small flash storage that often only held a couple hours of music, etc. iPod was expensive, large and clunky, only worked on Macs that had FireWire, but it had software that worked, it held your entire music collection, and most importantly it got better fast. I’d be willing to bet Apple spent less money as a percentage of market cap or cash on hand developing VisionPro and VisionOS than they did on the iPod, and certainly than they did on the iPhone. It could be the newton moment of AR, a product too compromised by current tech but that fundamentally knew where the future was going, or it could be the iPhone moment of AR, either way, it’s valuable experience at an affordable development cost that puts apple in position for the future of consumer hardware sales. Someday we won’t by buying phones, watches, iPads, Macs, glasses, sunglasses, headphones or TVs, but a set of AR glasses (not MR goggles like VisionPro) and various peripherals. The experience of having exactly the display you want/need wherever and whenever you want is too much of a gamechanger.
 
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