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"We are now able to bring the world's best surgeon into any operating room, at any hour, from anywhere on the planet,"

this is factually wrong. latency is a thing and it still takes a few 100 ms of RTT from Europe to say south east Asia.
the man will be fine assisting the guy who is doing the surgery, but extremely reliable communication would be needed to remote control any machinery in real time.

Don't get me wrong, AVP is a brilliant tool and amazing technology, but it is not magic.
also wearing that stuff for multiple hours is very taxing to any individual, even if it's done for entertainment and not some mission critical stuff. and I am not convinced whether the device is able to operate continuously for multiple hours, as far I remember the battery pack was rated for 120 minutes or so.
so the path is correct, but we're absolutely not there.
The new bands / 3rd party bands make it so comfortable its like wearing a pair of thick glasses at this point
 
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I worked in a field where VR headsets are a tool of the trade. They are used extensively in manufacturing to check for things like repairability, i.e. can a mechanic fit a replacement part into an existing vehicle/airplane etc. Companies don't even blink at a $5K cost for one of these.

Without a doubt this is a huge use case for the Vision Pro as existing headsets required a bulky PC to actually drive the VR simulation.
 
I worked in a field where VR headsets are a tool of the trade. They are used extensively in manufacturing to check for things like repairability, i.e. can a mechanic fit a replacement part into an existing vehicle/airplane etc. Companies don't even blink at a $5K cost for one of these.

Without a doubt this is a huge use case for the Vision Pro as existing headsets required a bulky PC to actually drive the VR simulation.

THAT is where Apple should be promoting and pushing this, not Metallica and moon videos.

It's not a product for the masses, and likely never will be. It's a tool for a specific person, in a specific situation. Not creeping around your kids birthday party taking spatial video.
 
Well, I'd say the doctor accomplished the goals here.

1. Get press coverage


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way way way down the list
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37. Accomplish cataract surgery, a field for which things have been fully fleshed out for 30+ years.

(my father was an Ophthalmologist & cataract surgeon and one of the very first to bring LASIK to the US)
yea, and it had been fleshed out for more than 30 years that the place to take your body temp is your rectum, remember hat one?
Luckily technology even in the medical field improves and we are not stuck on "fleshed out" ways of doing things

And as for your first point, why did it take 6 months to get this "press coverage" when they was the first goal?
 
This is impressive, but it’s also extremely niche. Microsoft killed HoloLens because it wound up relegated to a similar niche. Apple doesn’t stomach niche products (RIP Mac Pro) and Ternus has already reportedly soured on Vision Pro internally.
 
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It's called "Pro" for a reason.
As with many expensive innovations, professionals and the wealthy are the first to adopt, and the general public progressively follows later, once the technology becomes more accessible. Think cell phones in the 1980s vs now.
This is the most positive input in the whole thread. You are absolutely right.

In this context I like the reaction of Steve Balmer from Microsoft commenting the launch of the iPhone, which is available on Youtube.
 
AVP is not a device that one can slip into their pocket and take it anywhere and slip it out to use it at a moments notice. In its present form factor it’s nothing more than a hobby or proof-of-concept.

AVP deviates from Apple’s philosophy of having a device disappear while being useful, powerful and capable to the user.

I disagree with the last line. I wear my AVP for hours (like upwards of 8 to 10 some days) and it does disappear to me for much of the time. Sure, it would be nice if it had a form factor like regular glasses, but the technology doesn't exist yet. In the meantime, I'm happy sitting here in front of my ultra wide Mac Virtual Display that is larger than the wall of my office.

The only problem I have found with it so far is that when I have the GPUs on my M3-Ultra Mac Studio 100% busy running AI tasks (such as they are now and much of the time lately), I get an occasional momentary tear in the Mac Virtual Display.
 
Yea waiting 8 hours in the ER for bleeding in the lungs and paying $400+ a month for medicare is totally worth it compared to my experience in the USA of waiting less than 5 minutes in the ER
A 5 minute ER wait?😳 Did you come in with a gaping wound? From my experience when visiting an ER, they take patients based on severity of their injury🤕, not based on how good the insurance is. Even if you arrive by ambulance, if all you have is some dizziness and it's not life threatening, you're sitting in the ER until all the serious cases have been handled. Walk in bleeding buckets from a head wound, they'll rush you in and handle the insurance later.
and paying $200 a month (Was $0 a month last year) for private insurance that covers EVERYTHING. $0 deductible, $0 copay.
And $200 a month for insurance? What company are you with? Because Blue Cross Blue Shield charges $800 a month, $1000 deductible, $50 co-pay. I'm getting hosed.😡
 
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Nothing wrong with this, my only peeve is how the article just lets Apple get away with saying it was never meant to be a big success…eight months later when it clearly is not. Yet they prepared the Apple stores and the press blitz like they sure expected it to immediately be the next iPhone.

This is exactly what Microsoft did with Hololens and nobody even noticed cause it’s not Apple. They tried the same thing and even fewer people cared and then they pivoted to military and industrial.

AVP clearly has its uses but it was a huge swing and a miss as an Apple product.
 
THAT is where Apple should be promoting and pushing this, not Metallica and moon videos.

It's not a product for the masses, and likely never will be. It's a tool for a specific person, in a specific situation. Not creeping around your kids birthday party taking spatial video.

I'm not a Metallica fan, but that video was awesome enough to watch twice. Same with the Alicia Keys video. The immersive video is great.

But, you are right, it is a tool. I use it for my everyday work on the computer. It is an outrageously good 20-foot 32:9 display for both my Mac and my PC (through the Windows app).
 
AVP is not a device that one can slip into their pocket and take it anywhere and slip it out to use it at a moments notice. In its present form factor it’s nothing more than a hobby or proof-of-concept.

AVP deviates from Apple’s philosophy of having a device disappear while being useful, powerful and capable to the user.
The point of this story is that the surgeon didn't need to bring the device to the patient or the medical students watching the procedure. It's about skillful surgeons performing and teaching without technology getting in the way. That is Apple's core philosophy.
 
Is this article suggesting that the Dr performed the actual surgery while wearing Apple Vision Pro?!

If so, have no idea how that was possible considering how terribly grainy the pass through video quality is - I could barely feel comfortable picking up a cup to drink while wearing the thing.

If I were the patient no way would I want my Dr wearing a VR headset while performing any sort of surgery on my eyes.
 
>50% of hospitals in the US are non-profit; the one I work for is (university teaching hospital), and we're penny pinching because we're barely breaking even, despite being the largest healthcare company in the state...all due to recent Medicare/Medicaid changes.

As for the article, well good the surgeon I guess. We trialed the AVP about a year ago in microsurgery and decided against it for a multitude of reasons but the main one, or so I heard, is that it doesn't fail to on..if something happens, the wearers world goes dark instead of passing video through. I don't work in IT, so can't verify, but we had eight AVPs for a few months..two for each room.

If this type of thing is what Apple pushed this towards, I would be more interested in it..but instead they pushed it as a "brand new way of computing" for the masses, instead of a useful tool for specific situations.
When you have dozens of sectors that could benefit from a new computing paradigm, you don't just pick one sector and promote in the hopes someone builds the app. You promote every sector and the platform as a "brand new way of computing" for the masses so that a variety of apps that you couldn't even predict will eventually appear.
 
What is next? AVP for military use?

Seems reasonable. The quality is good enough to be used as an AR/VR headset for drone operation. The quality of the display and the low-latency passthrough makes it good for AR in general. It is not ruggedized, so it isn't appropriate for battlefield deployment. As far as I have heard, it is still in the experimental phase and mostly for training and simulation, not combat.
 
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Is this article suggesting that the Dr performed the actual surgery while wearing Apple Vision Pro?!

If so, have no idea how that was possible considering how terribly grainy the pass through video quality is - I could barely feel comfortable picking up a cup to drink while wearing the thing.

If I were the patient no way would I want my Dr wearing a VR headset while performing any sort of surgery on my eyes.

Your experience is different from mine. I've no difficulty doing everyday tasks wearing it. The passthrough has technological limits, but not comfortable picking up a cup? Only because the thing interferes with fully tilting the cup, not because of the passthrough. I've not found any problem with the video quality or latency while doing normal things around the house. Maybe your eyes are bad.
 
It's called "Pro" for a reason.
As with many expensive innovations, professionals and the wealthy are the first to adopt, and the general public progressively follows later, once the technology becomes more accessible. Think cell phones in the 1980s vs now.
How many wealthy people purchased an AVP? 3,500? Call it what it is, dead weight!
 
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The point of this story is that the surgeon didn't need to bring the device to the patient or the medical students watching the procedure. It's about skillful surgeons performing and teaching without technology getting in the way. That is Apple's core philosophy.
AVP sure getting the way like a sore weighted thumb over your head and face. I tried the demo in-store and using it for prolonged use probably is not ideal.
 
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