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what I don't get about these keyboards - and the same with the Quest is that they are so basic and small.
you could have them bigger and with all the tuber keys and emojis and other stuff.

The quest ones in AR actually workbook in when you place them on the table.

For a vision based keyboard surely you'd have a swype style keyboard - just spell it out with your eyes. blink to select Might take a while to get used to but I bet it would be fast.
 
This is why it’s “voice-first” for text entry. It has been since the reveal. Look at a text field and start speaking what you want to type.

The virtual keyboard was always a backup.

Physical keyboards will be for a certain “high productivity” workflow but not necessary for most users.

Do you want me to search the web for that?
 
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I don't see the need to use a keyboard with a headset at all, especially a badly implemented one. Just wondering how long before the first immersive XXX video shows up. A virtual joystick won't be able to replace the real one…
 
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The only effective way of typing is via physical keyboard. Humans have this really great feature, thats called "fingers", which allow them to touch, feel and use stuff, even when not looking directly at it. Believe it or not, It's highly effective. But unfortunately, majority of developers and UX designers these days think, that the answer to "what comes next after physical keyboard/buttons?" is a solution via touchscreen. You can see this sheer stupidity in modern cars like Tesla, Mercedes, Audi, BMW etc. where they keep removing phyiscal buttons, and replacing them with touchscreen. Typing "in-air" like this keyboard utilizes, is on same level as touchscreen typing - It's annoying, it's cumbersome and it's stupid.

I agree with this apart from in cars, I much prefer a touch screen for everything rather than physical buttons.
 
I quickly got used to using swipe gestures for typing on phone/watch. I'd imagine doing something similar on this virtual keyboard would be much more intuitive than trying to press each key.

I've never gotten used to swipe/gestures with the iOS keyboard. For personal texts, I guess it's fine albeit slow, but iOS loses its mind when I use my work phone and am sending medical terminology and drug names. Siri sucks too.

I can't imagine that this will be any better.
 
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You have generations who grew up learning to type on typewriters and keyboards. Of course some Boomer is going to have difficulty. Have someone from the iPad generation review it and report back.
 
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...which is probably always going to be degraded by the fatigue caused by having to hold your hands in the air to type

Lol, this is the same argument used against touchscreen Macs, although ergonomically the argument doesn't quite work when applying it to a touchscreen. In this case it seems apt, holding your hands out in thin air and typing for a few minutes, let alone a few hours, is going to be agonizing.

I'll still hold out hope for this in the future, but it may just be a train wreck in the short term. I hope they at least implement the ability to see a real hardware keyboard inside VR similar to how you can see your hardware keyboard on a Quest headset. But even that entails having to carry around yet another piece of hardware along with the headset and its battery.
 
Guarantee it’s no worse than the current Apple TV keyboard.
That thing is truly atrocious.

And just like how everyone has learned to use their iPhone keyboard for their Apple TV, the people who buy this and actually use it for computing are going to be using a real keyboard.
 
I wish it was only a mortgage payment 😂 it’s 4 mortgage payments for me
Same here, which is also why I would never consider buying it, at least until my mortgage is fully repaid and the product is more compact/comfortable, with more battery life and most importantly with some actually useful application that is not just some marketing gimmick.
 
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Also, while I absolutely think that the Vision Pro keyboard will probably be a pain at first, let’s not pretend like everything was smooth sailing with the original iPhone either.
Walt Mossberg got one of the first units from Apple, and the first thing he said was that he wanted to “throw it out the window” because of the keyboard, at least during the first three days.
And phones with physical keyboards were still released several years after.
Android 1.0 for the LG G1 didn’t even have a virtual keyboard installed by default.
 
I don’t see this as a drawback, but definitely room for improvement. This could be one of those things where they need the product in actual real-world use with a sizable user base to fine tune additional functionality. Most people who are going to buy this likely have a Bluetooth keyboard.

Not saying it shouldn’t be addressed, it just doesn’t seem like a missing feature or oversight at this point. I’m actually kind of surprised the thing is launching with a virtual keyboard at all, even one that’s handicapped.
 
I've never gotten used to swipe/gestures with the iOS keyboard. For personal texts, I guess it's fine albeit slow, but iOS loses its mind when I use my work phone and am sending medical terminology and drug names. Siri sucks too.

I can't imagine that this will be any better.

I tried using Siri to dictate in the clinic for all of one day. Until we can import custom/medical dictionaries, train Siri like the very expensive dictation software we already license, or AI Siri can become medically aware, we will always need to have efficient typing capabilities in healthcare.
 
imagine if someone said the typing experience on a Mac, iPhone, or iPad was a complete “write-off”
They literally did though.
It’s easy to forget, because touchscreen typing has become so ubiquitous, but for the first several years of both the iPhone and iPad it was a frequent criticism from its detractors.
And even it’s supporters.
And even to this day, there are still accessories to add a physical keyboard to the iPhone and iPad.
 
I’m sure Apple can solve the virtual keyboard dilemma! Didn’t Apple watch the movie, Johnny mnemonic? 😂
 
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