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This is not about should Apple do this or not. It's about people's reaction to what has already been done and what fall-out, if any, may happen from this. But it helps to reaffirm this is not a whataboutism.
This makes zero sense. By your logic, this forum shouldn’t exist because most topics are discussing things that already happened.
 
This makes zero sense. By your logic, this forum shouldn’t exist because most topics are discussing things that already happened.
This makes no sense. This is a rumors site and there are rumors aplenty, where people get discuss the rumors and their views on it. Most items in the news forum are not as controversial as this, with hyperbole at times being the norm due to the nature of the beast.

I reminded that "this is a done deal" based on the feedback that I was "justifying" this, when I noted I don't have to justify something that happened in the past.
 
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I believe that if people want to express their discontent with this move it's totally ok. I complain too and frequenly. Please go ahead. As long as we can accept people disagreeing with us, let's discuss and let's enjoy the discussion.

However, I think it's a little unfair to say to @I7guy: "Justifying this charger removal in any capacity is why we’re in this silly situation to begin with."

If Apple gets away with...well...many things....it is not because of people who justify their moves, or agree with them.
It's because of people who disagree and feel dissatisfied but keep buying. They send the message that their own complains are empty and weak. That even if we are not happy about something, in the end we are junkies that will buy anything they throw at us.
 
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Ok granted, but only a tiny portion of iphone 11 pro owners will upgrade to an iphone 12 (pro)

Agree on that - I just wanted to provide a more accurate picture at that moment. Only us geeks would consider yearly upgrades anyway I guess.
 
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I'll bet you a charger that Samsung will not include a charger with their next phone.
Quite possibly, but not really because it's the right or good thing to do for the product and the consumer, but more because it would be better for them as a company and they would basically just follow the "crowd mentality" at that point because someone else big enough to do it did it.
 
We can also use any of our existing USB-A to Lightning charges (older iPhones or iPads) to charge the latest iPhones. I am personally using the least powerful small Apple charger (5W) to charge my iPhone overnight for its battery’s sake. I also think the other manufacturers will follow.
All of my old lightning chargers have burnt pins and only work when inserted in one direction. Is that what they want me to charge my brand new phone with?

that or an android charger?

give me a break
 
I will have to admit, I cannot stand listening to people such as this lady.
She is paid a LOT of money to promote the products of the company.
I'm not going to say she is deliberately lying about anything, she is just very skilled in focusing, saying and putting a positive spin on every aspect of the product she is being paid to say nice things about.

Basically a used car salesman, saying onto the good points.
When you really want to speak to the mechanic out the back who will tell you everything accurately.

Nice lady I'm sure, but it's almost not worth listening to anything she says.

That said, I know this is the job of these people, so nothing against her whatsoever.

I think a lot of what you’re sensing is how rehearsed this interview was. She clearly had the questions ahead of time, wrote and memorized her responses. It does come across with an infomercial salesperson vibe, unnatural and less relatable to people but gets all the product facts out. I find Apple moving a lot more in this direction since Cook took over. But ya humans want more natural and relatable responses then someone reading a feature and spec sheet, with a bunch of overwhelming adjectives, as answers.
 
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All of my old lightning chargers have burnt pins and only work when inserted in one direction. Is that what they want me to charge my brand new phone with?

that or an android charger?

give me a break
In the 12 or so years I've had chargers not one has had burnt pins. WTH
 
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The iPhone 12 Pro's battery life is ridiculously horrible. It seems that the only real change in Apple products lately is the REMOVAL of things.
 
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All of my old lightning chargers have burnt pins and only work when inserted in one direction. Is that what they want me to charge my brand new phone with?

that or an android charger?

give me a break
You are part of the universe of people who may have to spring for a new charger. Either that or forego the iphone 12. The dirty pins come from misuse of the cable from keeping it plugged in over the years, coming in contact with moisture and/or dirt. You can try to clean them with isopropyl.
 
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Literally every other company besides Apple includes a charger in the box.
Literally every other computer came with serial and parallel ports, when the iMac came out. Yet we’re better off now for Apple having dropped them. Citing, “but we’ve always done it this way and everyone else is still doing it that way” is not compelling evidence in favor of continuing to do it that way. Otherwise we wouldn't have cars, or computers, or smartphones, or modern medicine.

You’re looking at it as a “free prize” (it was never free) that you’re no longer getting, so you’re unhappy because you feel like you’ve lost something. I see unused Apple chargers and cables sitting in a drawer (and I know other people who have the same experience, it’s not just me), and I see needless waste, and that makes me unhappy.

It’s not like you get iPhones out of a vending machine, you have to order them, whether in the store or online, and you already have to specify a lot of choices in the process - size, color, storage capacity, etc. I think it’s a great idea to have the questions include “do you need a charger and/or headphones” in addition to all those other questions. An argument could be made for, if you’re ordering the charger or earphones at the same time, add some sort of bundling discount. But that’s a business/marketing question, not a moral one. They can choose the path they think makes both them and the customers most happy.
 
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I don’t think it’s all that unusual

weird I’ve sorta noticed this before but didn’t think much of it. I have a cable that has a couple black spots on each side not the entire pin. Cable still works though.

I’m really hoping the iPhone doesn’t go 100% wireless in the next gen though. Charges too slowly and i believe is harder on the battery’s life expectancy. But mostly charges too slowly.
 
I don’t think it’s all that unusual
It is not unusual at all. It happened multiple times to my lightning cables. Did I mistreat/misuse them? Perhaps I am just guilty of living close to the tropics, perhaps I did.
But then I "mistreat" all my cables in the same way, and yet I never broke a single usb-c cable, or even a micro-usb one. Lightning...I cannot even remember. Happened all the times. :)

You're right, but then again the X, XS and the 11 will also be great phones for the next 2 years until 5G matures. Also, if we go by your theory that people buy the 12 because it's the newest and looks cool - which is a valid enough theory - those people will also buy the 12S, the 13, etc, which proves my point that buying the 12 was a waste of money. I am not just saying that either, as I am one of those who was ready to pop into the shop on day of launch and move from my XS to the 12 Pro, but seeing the hardly practical "improvements", I decided, I'd much rather not spend money on it. I think my next iPhone will happen when 5G is mature.
Some people just buy the latest iPhone every 2-3 years.For those, having 5g will be somewhat convenient. Apart from this, I agree with everything you wrote: if you change your phone every year, 5g is probably useless. If you change it every two years, probably not very useful as well. In general, year-over year improvements have become smaller and smaller. But this is also because phones have become better.
I personally think that nowadays buying a flagship smartphone every year is a waste of money, but then but for some people that amount of money is not a concern.
 
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Wish they would take out those weak magnets and utilize that volume to increase the battery capacity.
 
I don’t think it’s all that unusual

Perhaps, but I have just looked at three of mine USB-A to Lightning cables (between 3-7 years old) and none of them have burnt pins. I always plug the power adapter first, then the already powered lightning end into device. My belief is that the power adapter “balances” the electric current, making it “smoother” to the device. However, if we plug the Lightning end first, then the adapter to the socket, this might indeed create a short electrical jump (while the power adapter is adjusting), damaging the cable.
 
Agree on that - I just wanted to provide a more accurate picture at that moment. Only us geeks would consider yearly upgrades anyway I guess.
Not even all of us haha. At least not anymore since the prices keep rinsing while the difference between 2 generations keeps getting smaller
 
Literally every other computer came with serial and parallel ports, when the iMac came out. Yet we’re better off now for Apple having dropped them. Citing, “but we’ve always done it this way and everyone else is still doing it that way” is not compelling evidence in favor of continuing to do it that way. Otherwise we wouldn't have cars, or computers, or smartphones, or modern medicine.

You’re looking at it as a “free prize” (it was never free) that you’re no longer getting, so you’re unhappy because you feel like you’ve lost something. I see unused Apple chargers and cables sitting in a drawer (and I know other people who have the same experience, it’s not just me), and I see needless waste, and that makes me unhappy.

It’s not like you get iPhones out of a vending machine, you have to order them, whether in the store or online, and you already have to specify a lot of choices in the process - size, color, storage capacity, etc. I think it’s a great idea to have the questions include “do you need a charger and/or headphones” in addition to all those other questions. An argument could be made for, if you’re ordering the charger or earphones at the same time, add some sort of bundling discount. But that’s a business/marketing question, not a moral one. They can choose the path they think makes both them and the customers most happy.
Yes, sometimes Apple paving the way is good, and sometimes it’s extremely bad.

That was probably one of the longest Apple apologist rants I’ve read on here. I’m impressed with how deeply ingrained some people’s Stockholm Syndrome is.
 
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That was probably one of the longest Apple apologist rants I’ve read on here. I’m impressed with how deeply ingrained some people’s Stockholm Syndrome is.
Yeah, that’s it, you’re no longer worth talking to. You’ve got your own little bubble and anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your view can be easily labeled and pigeonholed and then you don’t have to take their points seriously. I’m not an Apple apologist, I see them do good things and I see them do bad things. Taking accessories that are only sometimes used, and sometimes discarded, out of the box, and making them available separately to the portion of the customers who actually want/need them, is a good thing. Get over your feeling of entitlement that you deserve a “free prize in every box”, and try to get out of that bubble, it’s not healthy.
 
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Yeah, that’s it, you’re no longer worth talking to. You’ve got your own little bubble and anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your view can be easily labeled and pigeonholed and then you don’t have to take their points seriously. I’m not an Apple apologist, I see them do good things and I see them do bad things. Taking accessories that are only sometimes used, and sometimes discarded, out of the box, and making them available separately to the portion of the customers who actually want/need them, is a good thing. Get over your feeling of entitlement that you deserve a “free prize in every box”, and try to get out of that bubble, it’s not healthy.
Sounds like anyone that doesn't believe that this action by Apple is perfectly fine is wrong to you. So good riddance. Wanting something that's been included with the iPhone for 13 years isn't entitlement, no matter how much you want to believe that. Being okay with being bent over by corporations is the problem here. And that certainly isn't healthy.
 
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I’ve never understood the complaints about including the USB C cable in the box. I’d much rather a new USB C cable than an old USB A cable, everyone has USB A cables.

I swear if they included USB A in the box the same people would be complaining it isn’t USB C.

pretty sure the complaints are less about the cable being usb-c

they are about apples false claim they are removing the power adapter to be more environment friendly as everyone has power adapters at home anyway (which is correct) and then putting in a usb-c cable. when barely anyone has a usb-c power adapter, so they end up buying one with the new iphone.

profit!

even me, who has had phones with usb-c for the last 5 or 6 years or so, i only got 1 usb-c brick with a phone, all other phones still came with a usb-c to usb-a cable.
 
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