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Apple vs. Mac OS X Hackers
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robbieduncan said:
Apples and Oranges, neither of those had the popularity of OS X for everyday use. BeOS was cool though, and really fast - there just wasn't any software for it.
mynameisjesse said:
The company had their choice, so do we.
and the internet is going to freedom, IMHO, freedom doesn't have right or wrong. just my two cents
well.... its possible. computer hardware is officially standardized enough to a bunch of operating systems.
I wish linux was as great os os x
I wish linux was as great os os x
fahlman said:
my point is that hacking is comparable easy to those system, 'cause a lot of ppl had decent background of knowledge of the system, it's open source and free for all.
common sense, most hackers are proud of not using GUI system, lol
To amend my earlier post,
This is a tricky subject, and I'm sure Apple's done the math. As long as they can provide hardware that is reasonably priced, I have no problem buying it. I'm actually looking forward to getting an intel Mac Mini once they come out.
I just think, at times, Apple focuses a little too much on the flash, and loses something in their hardware. The scratching/cracking of the nanos is an example. Businesses aren't going to want all-in-one machines, nor are they going to need the same machines that graphics pros/scientists are going to want (the pro macs). However, the Mac Mini isn't an ideal corporate machine either. But I bet a lot of sysadmins wouldn't mind deploying OS X across networks.
If apple could lock in some business contracts on commodity hardware, I think that would work out well for them. That's where the money really is in software. Just opening OS X on it's own might open a can of worms that's not ideal for the company.
This is a tricky subject, and I'm sure Apple's done the math. As long as they can provide hardware that is reasonably priced, I have no problem buying it. I'm actually looking forward to getting an intel Mac Mini once they come out.
I just think, at times, Apple focuses a little too much on the flash, and loses something in their hardware. The scratching/cracking of the nanos is an example. Businesses aren't going to want all-in-one machines, nor are they going to need the same machines that graphics pros/scientists are going to want (the pro macs). However, the Mac Mini isn't an ideal corporate machine either. But I bet a lot of sysadmins wouldn't mind deploying OS X across networks.
If apple could lock in some business contracts on commodity hardware, I think that would work out well for them. That's where the money really is in software. Just opening OS X on it's own might open a can of worms that's not ideal for the company.
mynameisjesse said:
Yes its our choice if you buy some thing its yours or dont sell it.
apple legal team cant squak, nothing because they have to get them first .
like i said maxxuss is not in jail yet and there country who dont give a damn period ..... until every country on the planet is rules by USA or WTO internet will be free hacker/cracker every where independent country will host piracy site even more if they crack down
Piracy will go back to the early 90"s model on mirc chat room and the likes with files so incripted so bad that it will need years to crack .
where internet is going simple to total freedom what ever corp or goverment is for or again .....
When internet and broadband where join its was a very ugly pandora's box and saddly it cannot be close ....
mwpeters8182 said:
see, i'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. on my desk i have a dell POS and there isn't a day that goes by that i come into work wishing it were an apple. a dell running osx? nah, still wouldn't do... wouldn't have that seamless integration. apple is first and foremost a hardware company, and all the software they sell is to support that hardware. if they wanted to become the next microsoft, then yeh, they could port os x over to 3rd party vendors and they'd probably be very successful at it, much like microsoft. and also, just like microsoft, they'd run into the very same problems with integration, sacrificing quality for platform versatility. the folks at apple walk a very fine line of temptation; keeping the company tight-knit may limit their sales, but they keep their core intact. porting os x to 3rd vendors would destroy their hardware sales (the actually had mac 'clones' in the late 90's... and yes, apple hardware sales suffered which is why they pulled the plug) and hence elevate them to a 'godly' software giant, like microsoft... don't get me wrong, they'd make an ass load of money. but some how the words 'soleless' and 'selling' come to mind...
badmofo9000 said:
Ah, yes, the rationalization of theft. I want it but I don't want to pay for it. Therefore I will convince myself that stealing it is my right. I'm entitled to steal it. Tell it to the judge.
I'm not really worried about this anyway. OS X on generic PC hardware will never go mainstream. No hardware manufacturer will support it. Apple will certainly not support it and will sue the crap out of anybody who tries to sell a "kit" to do so. No, this travesty will remain only in the wet dreams of hackers who live in their parent's basements and like to distribute screen shots of OS X "running" on an eMachine. Pathetic, really.
lkrupp said:
Those arn't hackers.They're script kiddies..Real hackers wouldn't even mess with this silly "trojan".
jhu said:
You can only go up to Jaguar (10.2) with XPostFacto and a 604/e processor. So, no, 10.4.5 will not run on clones with XPostFacto unless it supports a G3 PCI upgrade card and said clone includes one.
toxicfreak said:
Um, this already exists. It's called Darwin for x86 and you can download it right now, with support, for free no less right here.
According to the following passage from the SLA it may be legal to use XPostFacto to install OS X on a unsupported computer if the portion of the code that XPostFact modifies or replaces is open source software and the modified OS is still ran on an Apple-labeled computer. Check!jhu said:
B. Certain components of the Apple Software, and third party open source programs included with the Apple Software, have been or may be made available by Apple on its Open Source web site (http://www.opensource.apple.com/) (collectively the "Open-Sourced Components"). You may modify or replace only these Open-Sourced Components; provided that: (i) the resultant modified Apple Software is used, in place of the unmodified Apple Software, on a single Apple-labeled computer; and (ii) you otherwise comply with the terms of this License and any applicable licensing terms governing use of the Open-Sourced Components. Apple is not obligated to provide any maintenance, technical or other support for the resultant modified Apple Software.
toxicfreak said:
Ok, so once all the big software companies go bankrupt and the internet is totally "free", are you hackers going to make us the software we once had? I think not...because you guys are simply too lazy. You'd much rather hack something already made than to take the time to make something of your own.
My advice to all you hackers...rent a woman and see what sex is like, you'll see there's more to life than wasting your time doing such a stupid thing. "OMG ONCE I GET OS X RUNNING ON A DELL MY SITE IS GOING TO GET MAD HITZ! I'LL FINALLY BE POPULAR!". Yeah I was into "hacking"....when i was 12.
nxent said:
My PC is under my desk, so I don't have to look at it
Oh, definitely. That's the best part of the Mac experience. However, now that Apple's using the same hardware that other people are, they're going to have to step up what they provide with it. Which they are, with the inclusion of things like Front Row.
We'll see what the next generation Power Mac, or Mac Pro, or whatever they're calling it brings us. It'll be interesting to see what sets it apart, as things like Front Row/iSights aren't tailored to that crowd.
fahlman said:
as far as i know, xpostfacto replaces or adds a few open-source parts of mac os x so it's ok. however, the lanuage difference between the os 9 eula and os x eula implies that installing os x on a clone is not within the bounds of the os x eula.
leenoble said:
I think you bring up a good point. People putting OSX on generic PC's will not get any support from Apple. If the software is unchanged (and all tweaks are done on a sort of "compatibility layer") then there should be no legal issue as far as stealing is concerned. I'd say that OSX on any generic PC is definitely violating the license agreement, but that's not really what were talking about.
Personally, I respect Apple's business model the way it is now. If I want to run OS X (and I do, and I will) I'll buy an Apple Macintosh computer. It's the ONLY way that I'm guaranteed that my Hardware/OS/(most) software will run as intended. I also believe that this will not affect Apple's Hardware sales significantly (more than 1%). In my opinion, the people that buy Macs are either 1) Professionals, who will continue to buy Macs (they need 100% support for HW/OS/SW) and 2) People who really want to buy a Mac (either because they're fed up with MS or they like Macs).
I think that the majority of consumers (people who go out and buy a computer) will buy a Wintel box just because its what they know. There are a small fraction of people (the hackers/serious users) who will hack OSX to run on a generic PC. Neither of these groups can really be attributed to lost sales for Apple anyway. The hackers/serious users would never buy a Mac anyway, and therefore wouldn't need to buy the SW (OS X).
Again, I'm not saying what they're doing is right. I just don't think it will affect Apple too seriously. Apple, however, has the right to request that their software not be distributed illegally, as they are still a business; I just hope it doesn't get to the activation/serial numbers stage that most of the PC world is at.
(I'm resisting the temptation of installing it on my PC. I could do it, but I would be missing out on the total Mac experience: seamless integration of HW and SW).
mynameisjesse said:
It's always been like this and probably will never change, sad as it is. Some people will just forever be immature.