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Coincidentally I was watching a video about Steve when he was building up NeXT after his exile from Apple, I found this pretty telling:

“One of the things that made Apple great, was that in the early days it was built from the heart […] one of my largest wishes is that we build NeXT from the heart, and that people that are thinking of coming to work for us or buy our products feel that […] that we are doing this because we have a passion about it […] not because we wanna make a buck
Who said apple doesn't have a passion about it? I know that is a common meme, but I don't see it. I like our apple products and the way they all integrate. When making a buck becomes your first priority your business goes under...ask Enron or Bernie Madoff.
 
Who said apple doesn't have a passion about it? I know that is a common meme, but I don't see it. I like our apple products and the way they all integrate. When making a buck becomes your first priority your business goes under...ask Enron or Bernie Madoff.

There is a difference between making money being a first priority and resorting to frauds.....
 
There is a difference between making money being a first priority and resorting to frauds.....
Right, and the two companies mentioned went downhill because money was the objective, not providing a service. A successful company like apple, provides a service and money comes from that service. You don't have to "like" the way a successful company operates...that's your perogative.
 
Who said apple doesn't have a passion about it? I know that is a common meme, but I don't see it. I like our apple products and the way they all integrate. When making a buck becomes your first priority your business goes under...ask Enron or Bernie Madoff.

A lot of decisions Apple has been taking feel like they are geared at making a buck while neglecting user experience and milking the userbase. Apple usually was ahead of everyone by at least a year. No one could catch up to the iPhone. Then look what happened, Apple focused on profits, so they kept 16gb storage for almost a decade, while everyone else was offering 32gb. Installing a few apps on your iPhone like Pages, Garageband, or games each is easily 500mb-2GB, not to mention music, photos etc. Why almost a decade of 16gb while harming mainstream users? Pure profit greed.

When you want to order a Mac with soldered RAM, like the Mac Mini, it feels Apple is doing this out of spite, to milk the userbase, there is no value added. To get 16GB RAM you must pay $300 to Apple to solder it, whereas on Amazon the dimms are just $60. Why solder ram on the Mac Mini if it's not even thinner, it doesn't make any sense. 500% of profit greed.

This is the new Apple, focused on profits first, users second.

This is why Airport Extreme and Cinema Display lines were discontinued, not enough profits, even though they made life so great and easy for many of us.
 
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A lot of decisions Apple has been taking feel like they are geared at making a buck while neglecting user experience and milking the userbase. Apple usually was ahead of everyone by at least a year. No one could catch up to the iPhone. Then look what happened, Apple focused on profits, so they kept 16gb storage for almost a decade, while everyone else was offering 32gb. Installing a few apps on your iPhone like Pages, Garageband, or games each is easily 500mb-2GB, not to mention music, photos etc. Why almost a decade of 16gb while harming mainstream users? Pure profit greed.

When you want to order a Mac with soldered RAM, like the Mac Mini, it feels Apple is doing this out of spite, to milk the userbase, there is no value added. To get 16GB RAM you must pay $300 to Apple to solder it, whereas on Amazon the dimms are just $60. Why solder ram on the Mac Mini if it's not even thinner, it doesn't make any sense. 500% of profit greed.

This is the new Apple, focused on profits first, users second.

This is why Airport Extreme and Cinema Display lines were discontinued, not enough profits, even though they made life so great and easy for many of us.
Or maybe they are doing(the bolded) for other reasons. I'll respect your point of view I don't see it that way. For a company to discontinue product lines because of various reasons is not unheard of. All for profit (and even not for profit) companies have to keep an eye on revenue and profits, that's the name of the game. To say it's not true is denying a company's fiduciary responsibility.

But the first goal of a company is to provide a service to it's customers so they will buy the products. With the tens of millions of apple customers, it's clear not everyone will be satisfied at the same time.

It just doesn't happen for any company.
 
Soldered ram doesn't help anyone but Apple, let's be honest here.
If it fails, you might as well throw the unit away.
Or pay Apple $$$ to replace the mainboard if it is out of warranty, or buy a new model ;)

It is much better for the consumer to be able to replace the failed module, at a reasonable price.

Then again, I can see Apple not wanting people mucking around with the innards, even though ram replacement is pretty straight forward most of the time.
It does come across as mingy, in my opinion.
 
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Who said apple doesn't have a passion about it?

Lets ask the person who worked with both Jobs and Timmy to find out.The article is very interesting.I suggest you give it a read ,(The red and bolded are the highlights)

" Being number one isn’t a lot of fun. Just ask Apple, which was just called "boring" by a former employee.

With a market cap of over $639 billion, Apple is the biggest company in the world. It has enviable profits and unit sales (every quarter it manages to sell tens of millions of iPhones, though that number is declining) and is slowly, but smartly, shifting its attention to its highly lucrative services business, which includes the App Store and Apple Pay.

SEE ALSO: Is Apple's App Store a monopoly?

It’s also one of the most heavily scrutinized companies on the planet. Apple cultivates a level of secrecy and loyalty rarely found in business. Which is why when one member of the fold cleaves off and starts talking, people listen.

Bob Burrough spent seven seminal years with Apple (2007 to 2014), managing software and Q+A on iPods, the iPhone and iPads. He worked under iPod team leader Tony Fadell (who left in 2008 to found Nest in 2010) and witnessed both the late Steve Jobs and Tim Cook operate as CEO. He thinks there is a distinct and potentially damaging difference between the two leaders.

“The first thing Tim did as CEO was convert Apple from dynamic change-maker into a boring operations company,” wrote Burrough in a Tweet.

Burrough later qualified this charge, explaining that Cook’s decision to fire former Apple hotshot and software lead Scott Forstall was solely so Cook could “have peace…which is to say there is no conflict.” He claimed that Cook running the company meant the end of conflict, and maybe innovation, at Apple.


The conflict hasn’t disappeared from the organization, but Burrough contends that it has moved down to middle managers, whose ranks, he claims, “have exploded” at Apple.

“This is all an extreme contrast to the way it was under Steve. Thin, competitive, dynamic,” tweeted Burrough.

There is no question that Steve Jobs managed differently than Cook. In Walter Isaacson’s Steve Jobs biography, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak described Jobs “terrorizing folks.” He was a shouter who inspired passion by wearing his heart on his sleeve.

“He would shout at a meeting, ‘You *******, you never do anything right,’” [former finance chief at Apple] Debi Coleman recalled. “It was like an hourly occurrence. Yet I consider myself the absolute luckiest person in the world to have worked with him.”

Cook, who joined Apple in 1997 (the same year Jobs returned from exile) is quite a different beast. He’s a master of process, manufacturing and inventory management. He has a slow, laconic way of speaking. Even an outsider like me can see he’s harder to read than Jobs was.

Obviously, Apple is a different company than it was under Jobs. Insiders confirm this, though they also insist that what makes Apple Apple has not changed. What Burrough calls “conflict” still exists. It’s called debate.

Cook did fire Forstall, but, it was, it seems, to remove politics that might hamper collaboration. In a 2012 interview, Cook explained how such changes improved collaboration. Without mentioning his name, Cook implied that Forstall might have been at the center of some executive-level jockeying, which didn’t sit well with Cook:

And there can’t be politics. I despise politics,” he told Bloomberg, “There is no room for it in a company. My life is going to be way too short to deal with that. No bureaucracy. We want this fast-moving, agile company where there are no politics, no agendas.


For Burrough, who now leads an on-demand 3D printing company, Blit It, Forstall’s departure signaled a bigger change.

In a Twitter direct message exchange, Burrough told me:

“Tim Cook made changes that implied very strongly that there was to be no conflict amongst the executive staff. Giving human interface design of the software to Jony [Ive] was part of that. That decision was made because it was understood that the other executives could better work with Jony than with Scott Forstall. Heck, Bob Mansfield [Apple Senior Hardware Engineer] unretired due to that change.”

Burrough, though, admitted that no one at Apple had ever told him to avoid conflict.


After a solid decade of one high-profile category launch after another, Apple seems mired in a hole it helped dig. The now decade-old iPhone set the standard for all smartphones that would come after it. Today, all of them look like iPhones and each other. We’re nearing the limits of screen size, resolution, product thickness and battery tolerances. The most significant changes can be found in software. Hardware changes only incrementally now. And when it does change more radically, like the removal of the headphone jack, Apple gets plenty of criticism.

The desperation for that shiny new thing, though, is palpable. Entering and disrupting categories is risky business. Dreams of an Apple Car and Apple TV set have been dashed against the rocky shores of market realities.


An Apple that focuses on the growing and dependable service business is, no doubt, duller than the one that introduced the first iPhone or iPad. Would more conflict make Apple a more exciting company? Maybe. Would it result in more exciting product launches? Maybe, maybe not.

If, in 2017, Apple does deliver the Next Big Thing, all will be forgiven and Burrough’s comments (and maybe Burrough himself) forgotten. Apple will be the innovator. If not, people may be going back to Twitter and Bob Burrough’s feed, wondering if he got it right, after all.
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Soldered ram doesn't help anyone but Apple, let's be honest here.
If it fails, you might as well throw the unit away.
Or pay Apple $$$ to replace the mainboard if it is out of warranty, or buy a new model ;)

It is much better for the consumer to be able to replace the failed module, at a reasonable price.

Then again, I can see Apple not wanting people mucking around with the innards, even though ram replacement is pretty straight forward most of the time.
It does come across as mingy, in my opinion.
They also made the iMac so thin that the processor keeps throttling on even slightly demanding tasks.

Innovation at its finest
 
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The imac range is, imo, one of the better Apple innovations.

The all in one concept is a great idea for many people, I know quite a few imac users.

They have thier issues but they arent a bad computer, of you're no a gamer.

The 5k imac screen is stunning.

Using laptop components and soldered ram was a bit naff, but I haven't seen another all in one that is as popular.

Myself, nah, I build my own, storage is king and I won't pay through the teeth for ram.
 
The imac range is, imo, one of the better Apple innovations.

The all in one concept is a great idea for many people, I know quite a few imac users.

They have thier issues but they arent a bad computer, of you're no a gamer.

The 5k imac screen is stunning.

Using laptop components and soldered ram was a bit naff, but I haven't seen another all in one that is as popular.

Myself, nah, I build my own, storage is king and I won't pay through the teeth for ram.
The Surface Studio is better
 
That may be true, I have no idea, but it's very expensive and the imac has been out since 1998.
The imac was innovative from the word go, even the ugly as neon crt version.

Microsoft isn't targeting Joe Average in the same way Apple did, and I'll bet they won't be as sucessful.

I'd have one though, they look pretty cool.
 
This is the new Apple, focused on profits first, users second.

This is why Airport Extreme and Cinema Display lines were discontinued, not enough profits, even though they made life so great and easy for many of us.

Look what happened when Jobs obsessed, and focused on products that didn't make any money.
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The Surface Studio is better

In what ways? Still uses similar hardware, at high prices still. Has touch screen, and a fancy hinge, and puck.

I don't see how that is "better" though. I don't understand why you would want hands all over a display that is primarily intended to be used to review and edit visual work.

I absolutely detest finger marks on a screen when trying to edit images. Like the hybrid laptops, the idea will sell a lot initially as people will think it's cool. Then they will die off when they realise it doesn't actually do anything that great, and is mediocre at all tasks.

Or of course, I could be entirely wrong.
 
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So you are going to ask a former employee with an ax to grind and ask that hyperbole be believable? I'll believe that is fair and accurate as much as you believe the Bloomberg article about Samsung rushing the Note 7 is fair and accurate.

Timmy is a victim of his own success, he is constantly playing "can you top this" as the IOS app store heads toward 1 trillion dollars in sales.

You yourself have made it clear about "trusted sources", and who you "trust" and bias and things like agendas and such.

Carry on.

(And, it still doesn't change this is a thread about the lawsuit and they only thing to be considered are the damages.
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The Surface Studio is better
If you like windows only.
 
So you are going to ask a former employee with an ax to grind
So if I resign from a job I have an ax to grind? Nice hyperbole

I'll believe that is fair and accurate as much as you believe the Bloomberg article about Samsung rushing the Note 7 is fair and accurate.
We will see on Jan 23 after Samsung announces the facts

Timmy is a victim of his own success, he is constantly playing "can you top this" as the IOS app store heads toward 1 trillion dollars in sales.

You yourself have made it clear about "trusted sources", and who you "trust" and bias and things like agendas and such.

Carry on.

Clearly you didn't read the article because it clearly states that although generating revenue through services is good but its not even the same league as inventing the first iPhone or iPad or iPod.These products smashed through everything out there


If you like windows only.
OS aside its simply a better computer

The processor does not throttle on demanding tasks
It offers a GTX 980M GPU which wipes the floor with The lousy AMD GPU inside the iMac.
It supports touchscreens which I find refreshing and in addition I can use the hinge to basically turn it into a ginormous tablet if I wanted to.The iMac is starting to look dated as the only thing Timmy does is make it thinner
 
So if I resign from a job I have an ax to grind?
Exactly.


We will see on Jan 23 after Samsung announces the facts
They already did.

Clearly you didn't read the article because it clearly states that although generating revenue through services is good but its not even the same league as inventing the first iPhone or iPad or iPod.These products smashed through everything out there
It was more of an op-ed piece; just opinions. You know the old saying about opinions.

OS aside its simply a better computer
The o/s makes the computer; a race car without petroleum is scrap metal.

The processor does not throttle on demanding tasks
It offers a GTX 980M GPU which wipes the floor with The lousy AMD GPU inside the iMac.
It supports touchscreens which I find refreshing and in addition I can use the hinge to basically turn it into a ginormous tablet if I wanted to.The iMac is starting to look dated as the only thing Timmy does is make it thinner
See answer above.
 

So all employees have an ax to grind. One of the best places to work for has the worst job satisfaction. I totally believe this "fact"



They already did.
Can you please post the link of their official statement


It was more of an op-ed piece; just opinions. You know the old saying about opinions

The guy posted his experience .How is it an opinion?

The o/s makes the computer; a race car without petroleum is scrap metal.
And the best petrol on a sports car doesn't mean a thing if the race car throttles down to Prius speed levels when on the speedway
 
So all employees have an ax to grind. One of the best places to work for has the worst job satisfaction. I totally believe this "fact"
Definitely some employees have axe to grind.

Can you please post the link of their official statement
It's on the front page of MacRumors

The guy posted his experience .How is it an opinion?
And you don't think that qualifies as an opinion?:rolleyes:

And the best petrol on a sports car doesn't mean a thing if the race car throttles down to Prius speed levels when on the speedway
But without the petrol you don't even get there.
 
Definitely some employees have axe to grind.
So anyone who is not an Apple cheerleader after leaving Apple is disgruntled and has an axe to grind?Just getting the facts straight on how you classify employees on "having an axe to grind"


It's on the front page of MacRumors
You must be living in the future

http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...ounce-results-note7-investigation-january-23/


And you don't think that qualifies as an opinion?:rolleyes:

He clearly states that when Jobs was at the helm,there was competition and politics in the company.When Timmy came along that all vanished. And thats also collaborated by facts in that the moment Jobs left, Timmy seemingly fell asleep at the wheel and allowed the sales to tank


But without the petrol you don't even get there.

Will you spend over a million dollars on a sports car with the best petrol which throttles down on a speedway and is overtaken by a truck ? The amount spent coupled with the speed makes it as good as scrap metal
 
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So anyone who is not an Apple cheerleader after leaving Apple is disgruntled and has an axe to grind
A bunch of double negatives. Let's try it this way. All people who leave apple for various reasons would present an objective and unbiased view of their employment?:rolleyes:

You must be living in the future
It's a common theme here, and I'm not the only guilty.

He clearly states that when Jobs was at the helm,there was competition and politics in the company.When Timmy came along that all vanished. And thats also collaborated by facts in that the moment Jobs left, Timmy seemingly fell asleep at the wheel and allowed the sales to tank
https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/1/19/grading-tim-cook

Will you spend over a million dollars on a sports car with the best petrol which throttles down on a speedway and is overtaken by a truck ? The amount spent coupled with the speed makes it as good as scrap metal
If the petrol can win out over the competition in spite of the throttling.
 
A bunch of double negatives. Let's try it this way. All people who leave apple for various reasons would present an objective and unbiased view of their employment?
. He is discussing Apple's culture,the way it was in Jobs era and the way it is in Timmy's era . These changes happened inside the company. Whats more, the finances back what he says


It's a common theme here, and I'm not the only guilty.
You made up a statement out of thin air.Samsung has not disclosed the results of the investigation


The guy is just some blogger stating dry facts without experiencing first hand.The person I am referring to has worked with Jobs and Timmy. even Wozniak has criticised Timmy's policy of having too many products and so less uses


If the petrol can win out over the competition in spite of the throttling.
But it doesnt. You can take an iMac and at the same time a similarly equipped Windows machine and at the same resolution and doing the same tasks,you will find the iMac throttling down its CPU and slowing down . I would infact say that those clock frequencies Apple advertises are never acheived at least half of the time when doing computing tasks . Just try running Prime95 on it for more than an hour.Guaranteed the back of your iMac will become a toaster and the CPU will be at 989.8mhz
 
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. He is discussing Apple's culture,the way it was in Jobs era and the way it is in Timmy's era . These changes happened inside the company. Whats more, the finances back what he says
So there is no bias for the ex-employeed? There is plenty of reason to suspect a lot of bias as you pointed out in the video made by everythingapple.

Stock price up, most valuable company, one trillion in IOS sales. Seems like finances don't back anything up, especially since record breaking quarter after record breaking quarter since Timmy took the CEO position.

You made up a statement out of thin air.Samsung has not disclosed the results of the investigation
That's what people are discussing. If it's rumor it's true according to earlier posts.

The guy is just some blogger stating dry facts without experiencing first hand.The person I am referring to has worked with Jobs and Timmy. even Wozniak has criticised Timmy's policy of having too many products and so less uses
Seems like a respected blogger disagrees with the sentiment.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/1/19/grading-tim-cook

But it doesnt. You can take an iMac and at the same time a similarly equipped Windows machine and at the same resolution and doing the same tasks,you will find the iMac throttling down its CPU and slowing down . I would infact say that those clock frequencies Apple advertises are never acheived at least half of the time when doing computing tasks . Just try running Prime95 on it for more than an hour.Guaranteed the back of your iMac will become a toaster and the CPU will be at 989.8mhz
Is that the essence of productivity. Running prime95?
 
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