Honestly I have been using DDG Search and have been finding it close to the Google of old, when the search results page wasn’t filled with sponsored links and shortcuts trying to sell you stuff.
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I can agree with that, but calling things ‘garbage’ is a very loaded term and factually untrue. I think it is natural that you’re going to experience some pushback on that from other forum members.
Well, according to some research the trend is slightly changing, but basically you are right: Google still has 80% of the market share for search engine
None, but they love to say that 😅
haters gonna hate. There are people on this forum only posting FUD about Apple. Is it an hobby ? Do they have an agenda ? I don’t know, but we could just ignore them and discuss about topics.
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you must be right.
Especially on the “whoever picked Cook to be a CEO”… what bad decision 😂
DO you remember who was ? 😅
I disagree with your opinions.
No it's not.
No they didn't.
My experience isn't lackluster and I find aspects of Apple Intelligence very useful.
At such a generalized level I think the same about Android handsets. Some chip swaps but they are basically the same products year after year.
The above is my opinion. The problem is replying to negative criticism on internet forums such as "apple doesn't innovate anymore." Sometimes the obvious must be stated, which is: "yes they are constantly innovating, but innovation looks different for everyone".
I’d like to know which extraordinarily Qualcomm SoC is even comparable to Apple M4 😅
You are debating about AI with someone that being European didn’t try it yet (like me, anyway). 😅
This is the level of discussions with Apple haters on this forums.
Luckily enough, there are also good people you can share experiences and opinions here.
At this stage of technology, you cannot expect “revolution”. Improvements through evolution is still good.
Clearly you must refrain from update every year, otherwise you’ll be disappointed.
This.
Well that was a Rabbit Hole I didn't expect to go down. The table below represents a comparison with the near base model M4 (closest to the Qualcomm being the M4-10 core v 12 Core). A link to the majority of this is here: M4 v Snapdragon X Elite.
| Laptops | Singe Core | Multi-Core | 3D-Mark | A.I. |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12-Core) | 2,441 | 14,050 | 6,461 | 21,751 |
| Apple M4 (10-CPU) | 3,781 | 14,858 | 9,807 | 51,758 |
| Apple M4 Max (16-CPU, 40 GPU | 3,940 | 26,263 | 49,950 |
The only thing I found going in Qualcomms favour is that with their phone Chipsets (Snapdragon 8 Elite) it has a higher Multi-core than the Apple A18Pro. I guess if people are doing some heavy gaming on their device it would be okay, I guess? It's been what, almost 5 years since the M1 came out?
| Phones | Single Core | Multi Core |
|---|---|---|
| Snapdragon 8 Elite | 3,231 | 10,142 |
| Apple A18 Pro | 3,409 | 8,492 |
I mean, the Samsung S25 has a bigger battery and a new Chipset... Other than they, they are essentially identical. Oh, and Android 15 on Samsung is getting closer and closer to looking like iOS 16...
Exactly. In such a mature market.
And a lot of this comes down to engineers. People do like a refresh, but responding to another point...
I once heard something that is absolutely true. The comparison was between Apple when Jobs came back and Microsoft, who owned almost the entire market. Apple could make massive changes, and it affected a relatively small number of people. When you are large, it is impossible to make those big changes. Microsoft was the "behemoth". They couldn't just radically change Windows without causing major disruptions to business and consumers alike. It just couldn't happen.
"You can't turn a ship around on a dime"
That's why now, Apple can really only revolutionise something in new categories, like they did with the Apple Watch (Cooks most notable project). It has changed/saved so many lives.
I absolutely respect your opinions. When you say, "But that didn’t last long because the Qualcomm chipsets took over", all people wanted was context to that statement. As I said, if it's emotional, I get that, and you probably can't, shouldn't explain that. If it's critical, then I'd love to know. I've tried to do that above.
Great analysis, but let me add something.
According to GSMArena tests (they clearly are in favor of Android, overall, but they admittedly have a nice set of testing ), under load Apple A18 Pro has an impressive 78% of CPU stability (throttling over time) and and even more impressive 90% of GPU stability.
Wanna know how the S25 Ultra behaves ?
41% CPU and 50% GPU 😏
What about other Android flagship with Snap Elite ?
OnePlus 13 is 60% CPU and 63% GPU, pretty poor results.
Things are not better for the other “flagship SoC”, the Dimension 9400.
Oppo Find X8 has a 60% CPU and 58% GPU…
So after all those “amazing” SoC fueling Android flagship have no sustainable performance. They were just looking for the higher numbers for marketing reasons.
The other thing I would mention when comparing Qualcomm’s Snapdragon X Elite to the M4 is that the Snapdragon X Elite has totally failed to move the market. Thin-and-light passively-cooled laptops with good performance and decent battery life have become available to Windows users, and they are continuing to buy x86 laptops. It doesn’t matter if your performance is good and your battery usage low, if your products fail to sell.
By comparison the M4 Macs fuelled a 16% jump in Mac sales for the fourth quarter year-on-year. That’s a pretty good result, with growth both from upgraders and from people new to the Mac.
It just goes to show there is more than just pure chip performance that goes into a chip architecture transition. It’s marketing, emulator robustness and performance, and much more. You could argue that because of Microsoft’s not getting the emulator working 100% Qualcomm has been fighting an uphill battle.
By comparison the M4 Macs fuelled a 16% jump in Mac sales for the fourth quarter year-on-year. That’s a pretty good result, with growth both from upgraders and from people new to the Mac.
It just goes to show there is more than just pure chip performance that goes into a chip architecture transition. It’s marketing, emulator robustness and performance, and much more. You could argue that because of Microsoft’s not getting the emulator working 100% Qualcomm has been fighting an uphill battle.
Apple has always been better at optimising their software and hardware. Jobs used to always take the Mickey out of Android by using the term "Fragmentation". I hear the voice of Steve…. 👻
This line brought me back to 2009-2010. That used to be Android’s standard operating procedure.
People don't go and change it because it's defaulting to the best search engine. Apple just happens to benefit by getting paid to put that search engine.
Going to go out on a limb and suggest that someone who picked that image as the promo image for his Apple comparison video isn’t exactly an unbiased source who should be taken seriously
Maybe the numbers then:
Snapdragon 8 Elite (Gen 4) vs A18 Pro: tests and benchmarks
We put Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite (Gen 4) against Apple A18 Pro to find out which SoC is better. See performance comparison in benchmarks and games.
nanoreview.net
Any response to @FlyingDutch? Because it certainly sounds like they're trying to beat the A series chips for marketing purposes, not for actual performance, which tracks with how Android phone manufacturers have always operated AND why we keep hearing that A Series/M Series killers are always coming but never seem to arrive.Maybe the numbers then:
Snapdragon 8 Elite (Gen 4) vs A18 Pro: tests and benchmarks
We put Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite (Gen 4) against Apple A18 Pro to find out which SoC is better. See performance comparison in benchmarks and games.
There is a reason why google are fighting this because they don’t want a list of different browsers appearing when you first set up your iPhone.
Typical US antitrust enforcement for the last few decade. Google is found guilty of violating antitrust law. As punishment, Google gets to keep $20 billion a year that they were giving to Apple. Problem solved!
Well technically your right because you can go into settings then apps then safari & change it. But most people don’t bother that’s why google are fighting this because if they lose Apple will probably have to include a screen at the set up process & put the choices front & center
There is a reason google doesn’t want that
So, if Google loses, then Apple will probably have to... wait... Who lost in court?
Given the choice, most of the people would chose Google anyway. It really seems much noise about nothing to me
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