Well according to what Apple has said before in their eyes currently google has the best search engine but in way is it because google give them a big bag of money.
Google would lose because they technically don’t want people to have a choice
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Google would lose because they technically don’t want people to have a choice
I'm aware of the details of the case. I'm just pointing out the baffling nonsense of Google losing an antitrust case and getting to keep $20 billion (and growing) per year while forcing Apple to make changes that will have little impact on Google.
If google are defending it then they must have data that says if we lose this our market share could drop over time
How does that change my point? There's still a big imbalance in who gets punished for Google's bad behavior.
Google: Gets $20 billion per year and growing. And market share "could" possibly drop over time. (If search is even relevant a decade from now.)
Apple: Loses $20 billion per year and growing. Forced to make changes to their IP.
Much like in the EU:
Google: 70% Google Play Store share maintained by entering into anticompetitive agreements with its horizontal competitors in the smartphone manufacturing market.
Apple: Forced to allow Google Play Store on their platform
Google: 70% share of browsers
Apple: Forced to allow Blink on iOS
Why does Google keep coming out the winner in antitrust actions where it dominates the market?
if google didn’t think it would make any difference at all they wouldn’t fight because it’s obliviously in their business interest
Yep, apple has said that they genuinely believe google offers the best experience for the user. The 20bn has nothing to do with it
If the above is true; then they'll continue to leverage google search as a default, even without payment. (google wins)
Or they allow for a user choice upon device setup; to which most users would pick google anyway (google wins)
Or they admit they're full of **** and sell the rights to bing (we all lose)
This really needs to go back to when the default search is randomly chosen, and user can the select anything they want such as DuckDuckGo as an example. This was nice for Apple while it lasted.
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Yep, apple has said that they genuinely believe google offers the best experience for the user. The 20bn has nothing to do with it
If the above is true; then they'll continue to leverage google search as a default, even without payment. (google wins)
Or they allow for a user choice upon device setup; to which most users would pick google anyway (google wins)
Or they admit they're full of **** and sell the rights to bing (we all lose)
It is tough to choose here
With Google you have AI that will tell you to glue your pizza and eat rocks…
… but with Apple you have a Maps App that might drive you off a cliff
This really needs to go back to when the default search is randomly chosen, and user can the select anything they want such as DuckDuckGo as an example. This was nice for Apple while it lasted.
Can anyone choose to submit a search engine? 😏
Or a Google Map that try’s to steer you the wrong way down a one way street in Bath, UK. Now that was awkward. They both do that.
This is such a bad post. It doesn't matter if they were first; what matters is if they are a monopoly and distort the market. Also, if Goog were so undeniably great, then why are they parting with $20 billion per annum to be Apple default? Another tip for you: saying literally and using all caps does not make your point superior.
Yep, apple has said that they genuinely believe google offers the best experience for the user. The 20bn has nothing to do with it
To be honest, I’ve found Duck Duck Go’s search to be better than Bing’s, more like where Google was ten years ago, before their search results page was turned to crap by adds, links and ai which doesn’t yet work. Last time I searched for something on Google it was a genuinely unpleasant experience compared to DDG, with wading through a ton of cruft.
Apple doesn’t really want to offer users a choice at setup because they believe most will take Google anyway, and then they won’t get paid for it. Which is a reasonable way of looking at it — if Google is not allowed to pay, then Apple is not allowed to monetise it’s market share.
Justice will only be done if Apple defaults to DDG search, for simply having a better product.
I am really confused at all the people who say DDG is fine. I tried it again today as an experiment and, as I remember, it’s terrible. Google is definitely better, although clearly worse than it used to be. (Kagi is the best, but again, will never be the default option, unless Apple buys it or something).
I don’t think I’m searching for weird things either. But fact of the matter is making it the default would destroy their servers. I think Apple’s two options are Bing or Google, and the real question is will they give us a worse default if Microsoft pays them. I hope the answer is no, but I honestly don’t know.
I don’t think I’m searching for weird things either. But fact of the matter is making it the default would destroy their servers. I think Apple’s two options are Bing or Google, and the real question is will they give us a worse default if Microsoft pays them. I hope the answer is no, but I honestly don’t know.
if as some people are claiming that google would win either regardless of the outcome of this court case. Then why would a company worth 2 trillion dollars fight this in court to keep this agreement in place if it doesn’t benefit them somehow.Yep, apple has said that they genuinely believe google offers the best experience for the user. The 20bn has nothing to do with it
If the above is true; then they'll continue to leverage google search as a default, even without payment. (google wins)
Or they allow for a user choice upon device setup; to which most users would pick google anyway (google wins)
Or they admit they're full of **** and sell the rights to bing (we all lose)
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Apple is a one stop shop. No side loading, not working with competing devices (closed API’s). That is what’s making it a monopoly.
So much of this is an own goal from Apple
If they'd just lean into building the OS in a way that easily allows users to choose/switch key defaults much less (if any) of this would be happening.
Folks should be able to choose different storage and photo providers, as an example, and have that be as natively functional and "blessed" as Apple Photos is.
That doesn't make it a monopoly. The general expectation is 60-70% (although one court case suggested that over 60% would be enough, no company has been found to be a monopoly with lower than 66% market share)
Apple doesn't have a monopoly in any of the markets it competes in, with the possible exception of tablets. Being a one-stop shop doesn't make you a monopoly. Being closed doesn't make you a monopoly. Monopoly is a legal term with definitions, you can't just throw it around because you don't like the company.
I don’t think I ever heard side-loading being a factor in an illegal monopoly. Learn something new every day.
Oh well, as even as your own DOJ and the EU are looking into it. It begs the question if they all are wrong. They all have studied legal laws and I trust in a fair outcome.
I'd just add "looking into it" doesn't mean guilty. They lose cases all the time. Unbiased analysts have suggested the DOJ's case is pretty weak for antitrust action, but of course that doesn't mean the DOJ will lose (if the case continues). Obviously if the case is brought and Apple is found guilty, then that will considerably change things.