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Someone tell me again why it’s a good idea for Apple to invest in original content? And while people are ripping on Cook, Cue etc. for being prudes let’s not forget Steve Job’s stance on pornography in the App Store. I think getting into original content is a mistake. When Apple started iTunes they didn’t become a record company. Why do they need to become a TV/movie studio?
 
Someone tell me again why it’s a good idea for Apple to invest in original content? And while people are ripping on Cook, Cue etc. for being prudes let’s not forget Steve Job’s stance on pornography in the App Store. I think getting into original content is a mistake. When Apple started iTunes they didn’t become a record company. Why do they need to become a TV/movie studio?

People never seem to understand that Apple has these stances outside of reasons relating to "they are prudes" They are the largest company in the world, they are watched with a laser focus. If a porn app made in on the App Store, can you imagine the news stations and the internet? Apple already gets ripped apart for stupid ****, but that? APPLE BEGINS DISTRIBUTING PORNOGRAPHY ON APP STORE They'd be hearings in Congress, Tim Cook would be forced to make statements, when they removed it they'd be accused of censorship, on and on and on. So it's better to just block it from the start and not have to deal with any of the ****.
 
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I still feel like about five years ago we were at a point where we had a chance, a real chance, to have streaming content from one unified space. Not necessarily one provider, but some sort of standard (kind of like how we swap channels on cable!) Instead everyone wants a piece of the pie (surprise!) and thinks THEY know how to do it BEST (surprise!) and we have almost exactly what we had with cable. Instead of channel surfing it's digital channel searching.
 
I think it's a terrible idea for Apple to do it, but I think they are doing this to unify their end to end product experience. Looking at Google as an example, you can see how they have built an IoT eco system that goes end to end from hardware to living room.

I think Apple is very late to this game, but they think they can do it better.
 
Well, I’m glad they realize all “original content” doesn’t have to be explicit TV-MA all the time. Besides, family friendly always outsells the rest when done well.

Certainly it doesn't have to be TV-MA to be good. There's no arguing that it does put limits on what you can do though. This means some of the best shows in recent memory like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad would never have been able to be an Apple TV show.
 
I don't know what would be OK with Apple *and* work in the market, but from my perspective we need modern-day equivalents of shows like "Little House on the Prairie", "The Waltons", etc. that are clean AND entertaining!

Star Trek? Star Wars? Harry Potter? Lord of the Rings?

There is a lot of entertainment out there which (depending on your particular set of morals of course) is clean and entertaining. The problem is, as I said above: good entertainment needs conflict. You can imagine a make-believe world where the reaction to conflict is all nobility and righteousness, but by and large that is highly unrealistic. And so, if you want that kind of entertainment you need to have it set in a universe pretty significantly divorced from our own.

And, yes, "Little House on the Prairie" is just as imaginary a universe as Lord of the Rings. That world never existed. IMHO, it has caused significant trouble in the US because it convinced a large portion of America that back in the "good old days" life was much better and "simpler" than in the modern day (thus if only we get rid of all the features of the modern era we can return to that simpler time). But soapbox aside, those two shows were set far enough in the past - a past in which your pious and wholesome grandmother grew up, or perhaps her grandmother - that they could pretend things were much different than they really were. This allowed low-grade conflict to be resolved with no more violence than a punch in the nose and more often than not a strident speech which brings everyone to their senses.

Now the problem with a show like that is that you know exactly what to expect. I grew up when those shows were on the air, and while we had them on each week, they were never considered "good" entertainment. You knew exactly what was going to happen. There is no character growth. You can't relate to the characters. Today we have much more to choose from than three channels with varying degrees of reception clarity. There is a lot of entertainment out there with relatable characters who grow and change. But it is incredibly hard to have a growing, changing set of characters who are never allowed to do anything that might challenge the viewer's morals.

It's like how my mother used to describe Stephen King stories. "Really good and exciting, but did they have to curse so much?" Well, yeah, they kind of did. A rabid dog keeps you stuck in your car for days on end, would you react with "golly this is gosh-darned horrible!" or maybe lay out a few expletives at the beast? Characters need to be relatable, and being relatable means sometimes not choosing the best thing, sometimes making mistakes.
 
It's like how my mother used to describe Stephen King stories. "Really good and exciting, but did they have to curse so much?" Well, yeah, they kind of did. A rabid dog keeps you stuck in your car for days on end, would you react with "golly this is gosh-darned horrible!" or maybe lay out a few expletives at the beast? Characters need to be relatable, and being relatable means sometimes not choosing the best thing, sometimes making mistakes.

I think one of the other issues is that globally the US does a lot of censorship due to this "old fashioned" way of thinking. Expletives, violence, etc are all very real in today's society, and depending on the program they might be very applicable which can create a better viewing experience.
 
Doesn't bug me. Too many shows have started using violence, sex, and nudity purely because they can. Think of how many episodes of Game of Thrones have characters delivering exposition with sex in the back ground or while having sex, purely because they could. It adds almost nothing to the actual show aside from saying it's there.

Having to work around nudity, sex, and gore has resulted in loads of endlessly creative solutions that have for now been abandoned on TV just because they can.
Yeah, it sucks. One of the reasons I got bored of Game of Thrones so quickly. Might as well show the characters using the restroom in real time. The only shows I've seen using TV-MA material properly are South Park (sometimes) and Rick and Morty. For the rest, banning it would probably force them to actually produce quality content.

Maybe it's because I've been on 4chan enough to not consider vulgarity exciting by itself. Well, hopefully everyone else will get bored of it through TV.
 
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'No Jesse. I'm NOT in the meth business. I'm in the Watch Band business. And they're located on the side wall in many fun colors.'
 
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Well, I’m glad they realize all “original content” doesn’t have to be explicit TV-MA all the time. Besides, family friendly always outsells the rest when done well.
I agree. Look at how they ruined Marvel and Star Trek. Just because they are not forced by the FCC does not mean "just because we can" which should be "does not mean we should".

If Apple has more family friendly originals I will sign back up to AM just to watch them something I do the opposite of with NF originals.
 
Yeah, it sucks. One of the reasons I got bored of Game of Thrones so quickly. Might as well show the characters using the restroom in real time. The only shows I've seen using TV-MA material properly are South Park and Rick and Morty. For the rest, banning it would probably be an improvement.

Maybe it's because I've been on 4chan enough to not consider vulgar content exciting by itself.

Or perhaps instead of banning things you don’t like you can just not watch the show? See how easy that was?
 
Certainly it doesn't have to be TV-MA to be good. There's no arguing that it does put limits on what you can do though. This means some of the best shows in recent memory like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad would never have been able to be an Apple TV show.
Yes, but when you have limits you’re forced to be more creative. You don’t have to rely on naked body parts or expletives as a cover for lack of creativity. Personally I found Game of Thrones utterly boring and Breaking Bad is ok. Still, I wouldn’t want my kids watching either and this race to the gutter is getting old.
 
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Or perhaps instead of banning things you don’t like you can just not watch the show? See how easy that was?
That's what I do, but now I have very little to watch. I can't ban anything, but I can vote with my wallet and viewership and hope they turn towards cleaner content.
 
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Come on there is plenty of MA rated filth out there if you want to watch it from other services if you don't like it then don't watch. Really I am glad Apple is doing this. If you want to watch good programs. Really.
 
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Why don’t they just buy Netflix? Let content people who have been successful do content. Apple should stick to technology.
 
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So, a bunch of SJW nonsense? Just put Teletubbies and Care Bears on instead.
It's not SJW. TV-MA is a lot more sanitized than you might think. There are plenty of politically incorrect things the average kid says that wouldn't even be on a TV-MA show unless it's from before the mid 2000s.
 
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It's not SJW. There are plenty of things the average kid says that wouldn't even be allowed on a TV-MA show.
Yea right. TV-MA can be worse than a R rated more like a NC-17 rating something the MPAA tries to avoid to release to theaters.
 
Yea right. TV-MA can be worse than a R rated more like a NC-17 rating something the MPAA tries to avoid to release to theaters.
There are offensive viewpoints or even words/phrases you can use to ensure that nobody would ever air your show. For example, even South Park now refrains from unironically using "gay" to mean "dumb." Or you can make it so gruesome that nobody would want to see it (e.g. ISIS execution videos).
 
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