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This has already been said I'm sure. If I'm going to buy a 4K movie, I'm buying the disc version. The bit rate for the audio and video is so much higher. Plus, you often get a code to unlock the UHD UV version. Plus, you get a blu-ray version. Plus, all of this is often cheaper than $30.
 
20 years ago i was being asked to pay £20 for a DVD
10 years ago it was £20 for a blu-ray
Now it's £20 for a 4K digital version

Maybe its an age thing but i will never purchase movies ever again when they replace and update it for every generation.
 
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Actually most movies ARENT shot in 4K and an even greater number of them have their DI's finished in 2K. Most of the 4K BluRays are just upscaled.
 
Fun fact: If you calculate the selling price of VHS tape movies in 1980, it works out to $100 - $200 in today's dollars.
It was also a technical achievement in 1980 that it no longer is. There is a reason technology makes things cheaper.
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the movie industry just does not get it....
I can ride an Uber or a Lyft in San Francisco cheaper that I can park my car.
I am not going to pay $20.00 let alone $30.00
I'll what something else on Netflix...
 
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Except Spotifys model is unsustainable. They've yet to make $1 in profit. The only reason they didn't go under this year is because they got another round of funding.

Spot on. They are also hellbent on maintaining old business models that are protected by IP laws. Viewer needs, habits and desires have changed.

I honestly don't need to 'own' content. I just want to access content occasionally. I happy to pay a reasonable fixed price like $30-40 a month to access a library of all content, much in the same way Spotify works.
 
Hollywood is crazy greedy. I just looked up on iTunes "Raiders of the Lost Ark", a movie made in 1981....... $16.99! Ok may be it's expensive because it was a blockbuster.... but then I see "The Princess Diaries" , not really a blockbuster, at $17.99 !!! Who in their right mind shells out $18 for that??

Kardashians don't have what- 3 shows on cable with nobody watching. To each his own. One man's favorite movie is another's "worst movie ever"... and vice versa. Part of the great flaw in the "al-a-carte" mentality is that individuals seem to think that their favorites are probably everyone else's favorites too. 200 channels including about 180 that "I never watch" doesn't mean nobody ever watches those 180 either. It's the commercials on those 180 channels that make them exist. Commercial buyers require eyeballs to justify the marketing expense. Thus, there ARE eyeballs watching "the junk."

That said though, personally I'd vote with your sentiment that Raiders > Princess Diaries myself.
 
That's not really a great comparison figuring that ZERO people had DVD players or discs at all while DVD was launching and then there was a giant format war going on between two competing disc formats. Fact of the matter is, 4K discs aren't doing the numbers they hoped.
Obviously, this cannot be compared to the time when DVDs launched.
 
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MoviePass charges me $10/month to watch AYCE movies in theater and $20/month if I want 3D and IMAX.
 
Obviously, Apple thinks studios overvalue their content as well. Which is why Steve Jobs fought music labels and studios on pricing. Apple continues to fight over pricing. Which, is in fact, why there has never been an Apple TV service. Pricing.

OR Apple wants to roll out their new :apple:TV with the marketing spin of best price in digital downloads. Apple may indeed be looking out for us consumers here. But then again, rumor is that the next iPhone will be priced higher than the last one and margins are well known to be large. If Apple is looking out for us in the price of other company's product pricing, it seems they could much more easily do us a similar favor in how they price their own products.

As a consumer, I'm certainly glad that any company is trying to drive down prices I would potentially pay. That's great. But we shouldn't be so quick to crown one saint and all of the other players villains. Apple is not exactly the "most profitable company in the world" because they drive prices we pay to the lowest possible levels.
 
Bunch of cheap, self entitled folks here.

I’ll happily pay $20 for 4K movies so I hope Apple wins this one against the studios. I’d even accept $25, as long as those prices eventually start going down to $20 after adoption settles in.

My concern however is for movies and TV shows already purchased....
 
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Bunch of cheap, self entitled folks here.

I’ll happily pay $20 for 4K movie so I hope Apple wins this one against the studios. I’d even accept $25, as long as those prices start going down after adoption settles in.

My concern however is for movies and TV shows already purchased....

i guess we are out of luck for already purchased movies
 
I would not mind to pay between 15-20 for 4k content including sales 9.99. Nowadays you can buy secondhand Blurays including 4K for 4$ and crappy movies for 2$. I stick with 4k Netflix. Soon they will start selling 8K.
 
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I'm so cheap that even $20 sounds like a lot to me.

Gotta say...with so much great content out there I'm okay with waiting until it's on TV for free and yep, I just turned into my parents.
That's because it is a lot of money for that content.
 
At $25-30 they’re then competing against a retail package which includes a UHD (at a higher quality bit rate than streamed or downloaded 4K), a BR, and a digital code. I’ve never paid more than $30 for such a bundle.

I know you can usually get it on iTunes earlier, but I’m happy to wait to get much more for the same price.

At $20 I’ll start buying 4K content from Apple.
I agree - streamed has to be less than the cost of the physical UHD, and I assume it would be more compressed also.

The UHD download would have to be 20 Gigs + before it would appeal to me, so then we run into download speed limitations. The Sky Q UHD downloads are 16Gb-ish currently, and they aren't HDR either, which would be / should be included in the iTunes offering.

€20 and I'd be in. €25 I'd be borderline, €30, I'm out.
 
Welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss.

This is Apple once again not playing nice with others.

Its a c*ck block to the studios to rebuff their content and favor Apple's upcoming proprietary content.

Apple is basically telling the studios that they add no value because Apple is the studio now.

Apple will pursue a strategy of basically making studios pay them distribution costs even though Apple isn't doing anything for their content but hosting and taking a huge cut, until such time as the studios concede and just stick with financing, production, etc. (basically all the risk), while Apple continues to get paid for doing nothing rain or shine.

It's an offer so insulting, it really shows how Apple thinks......and sadly, it is NOT different.

No. For one this negotiation is for sales not streaming or rentals. Apple doesn't sell it's own original content. Apple can have all the original programing it can fund, but just like HBO, Netflix, Amazon, etc. it needs the Hollywood movie catalogs too. It's not Apple being a bully, it's Apple trying to make sure the price of movies on it's service isn't more than other services, even less expensive. As a consumer you should be happy Apple is trying to keep for-sale movie prices down.

Please explain to me why Apple trying to keep 4K movies at $20 vs $25 is insulting? I've done a decent amount of negotiating and a 25% differential is hardly low balling esp. when $20 is the current cost of HD movies. Also 4K movies take up a LOT more server space which Apple is paying for as host. It's not demanding a bigger cut from sales. So again, why is Apple insulting the big boy studios?
 
Nope, Never cared about 4K, Never wanted the hardware, Have not owned , nor do I need to purchase a 4K rig. This particular thread highlights a valid reason to not purchase that hardware, pure and simple. Price. Hell i haven't paid above 599 for a TV ever. If Apple is hanging their hat on 4k this time around for the apple TV, they are already behind in the marketing game on this device.
Walmart has a 55" 4K tv on sale for $310
 
Apple please fix that remote, its maddening to navigate with it. Time for a mini joystick?





Apple is said to be "scrambling" to strike deals with movie studios in Hollywood regarding the exact prices of 4K movies in the iTunes Store, taking places just weeks ahead of the rumored debut of the new 4K Apple TV in mid-September.

While the talks have been ongoing for some time, discussions have been recently hampered by disagreements over the pricing of 4K movie purchases, according to sources close to the talks (via The Wall Street Journal). Apple wants to charge $19.99 for 4K movie purchases in its digital iTunes Store, the same price it currently charges for newly-released HD films.

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However, many Hollywood studios it has talked with are pushing back on that price point and are looking to charge customers a premium for the new 4K content: $25 to $30 for a 4K movie in iTunes.
Apple is said to be trying to finish these discussions well before September 12, the currently rumored date that will see the unveiling of the new 4K Apple TV, iPhone 8, iPhone 7s, iPhone 7s Plus, Apple Watch Series 3, and more software-related announcements. As iTunes loses market share to companies like Amazon and Comcast, Apple is hoping that a revitalized Apple TV streaming box with 4K content -- which many rival devices have already supported -- will help boost iTunes sales into the last half of 2017 and the new year.

In other Hollywood-related talks, earlier this month it was reported that multiple studios were pushing forward with a plan to offer digital movie rentals mere weeks after they appear in theaters. Studios like Universal Pictures and Warner Bros. were said to be in talks with partners, including Apple, to offer movies in iTunes as early as 17 days after their theatrical debut for about $50, or four to six weeks from release for $30.

Article Link: Apple Wants to Sell 4K Movies for $20 in iTunes, While Film Studios Want $25 to $30
 
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2$ it's the most i would spend - 2$!

don't care, 2K > 4K > 8K it's still just a movie

I can better that.
I'd not pay anything above the price of my subscription.
There are so many films on Amazon and Netflix in with my Subs.
I'm not paying anything on top.
I'll wait till it's included in my subscription.
 
The most exciting part about this to me, is that it hopefully pushes HBO, Showtime, Starz into 4K streaming.
This has already been said I'm sure. If I'm going to buy a 4K movie, I'm buying the disc version. The bit rate for the audio and video is so much higher. Plus, you often get a code to unlock the UHD UV version. Plus, you get a blu-ray version. Plus, all of this is often cheaper than $30.

I actually forgot about that. I think I may have only one or two 4K movies that did not come with the standard blu-ray as well.
 
OR Apple wants to roll out their new :apple:TV with the marketing spin of best price in digital downloads. Apple may indeed be looking out for us consumers here. But then again, rumor is that the next iPhone will be priced higher than the last one and margins are well known to be large. If Apple is looking out for us in the price of other company's product pricing, it seems they could much more easily do us a similar favor in how they price their own products.

As a consumer, I'm certainly glad that any company is trying to drive down prices I would potentially pay. That's great. But we shouldn't be so quick to crown one saint and all of the other players villains. Apple is not exactly the "most profitable company in the world" because they drive prices we pay to the lowest possible levels.
I'm sure Apple is looking out for themselves, as well as consumers. It has to be worth it to them to sell content. If it's priced too high, the volume of sales will be low. The more content their customers buy from iTunes, the more valuable the Apple ecosystem is to them. Apple has a pretty good idea of what most people are willing to pay for content.
 
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