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What legal docs? I didn't even read the article lol. But the post made it sound like Apple was crying to have Qualcomm quit squeezing their nuts

The article is about Qualcomm requesting to squeeze Apples nuts.

Wether or not that will be allowed by China is the discussion.
 
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At what point in history has China had an issue harming it's own for the perceived greater good of China? China's beef is with the US. Apple's argument is a much smaller concern (if it's a concern at all) when put against the the specter of governmental leverage.

Agreed. I wonder who thought up that defense against the bans ?

I expect China to allow the bans since it would make the US government look bad.
 
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That’s the part I do get. I just think if China wants to be petty and go that route they have better options that trying to punish an American company with another one in a very public display. Seems like a move a country would make only when it’s starting to run out of options.

Especially if the punishment is done in a way that would eventually harm their own manufacturers.
Your arguments seem to put the US and China's concerns on the same level as Apple, and Qualcomm. They aren't.

Using two American companies pitted against each other is a much better play than involving one of your own.
 
I’m not too well versed on this debacle between Qualcomm and Apple, but it sounds like Apple is trying to break the contracted deal they agreed to. I’m not sure they have much recourse.

It’s always funny to hear about Qualcomm. They probably paid for my college. My parents invested in them in like 1998 for a few dollars a share and then sold for something like 25x per share a couple years later. They road the wave perfectly and jumped ship right before Qualcomm tanked in the early 2000’s.

I get this argument and yet I don’t. If it was a Chinese electronics company vs Apple it would make more sense, but they are both American corporations, China aiding Qualcomm doesn’t really “hurt” the US (at least not anymore than China aiding Apple) if Qualcomm wins, an American company will make more money, if Apple wins a different American company will make more money.

In fact Qualcomm winning would probably be bad for Huawei, as they would be forced to pay more to license their phones.

No offense but you're looking at it entirely the wrong way. This would have nothing to do with money and everything to do with perception... who makes the other look bad (China or US). Qualcomm would be the weapon China uses to bludgeon the US' darling Apple, and by proxy, bludgeon the US. Public sentiment would be pretty bad and the perception would be it's Trump's fault. Who makes money would be an ancillary concern for Apple and Qualcomm, not the US or China.
It is funny to see China actually getting involved with international IP cases. The cynic in me has a uneasy feeling China is doing this to promote their own national phone manufacturers. While iPhones are made in China, they’re not Chinese technology. Shutting down Apple’s sales seems like a good way to boost their own technology firms.
 
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Confused why this post is under the PRSI. It's a licensing issue, not political or religious. Is China inherently PRSI material? (This topic has always been above my pay grade, so nothing here, lol.)
 
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I get this argument and yet I don’t. If it was a Chinese electronics company vs Apple it would make more sense, but they are both American corporations, China aiding Qualcomm doesn’t really “hurt” the US (at least not anymore than China aiding Apple) if Qualcomm wins, an American company will make more money, if Apple wins a different American company will make more money.

In fact Qualcomm winning would probably be bad for Huawei, as they would be forced to pay more to license their phones.

That's like saying Goodyear and Ford are both American companies, so hurting either company has the same effect.

The difference is one company is an order of magnitude larger than the other. It has a much bigger effect on the economy.
 
I’m not too well versed on this debacle between Qualcomm and Apple, but it sounds like Apple is trying to break the contracted deal they agreed to. I’m not sure they have much recourse.
Afaik Apple isn't trying to break their contract. The contract expired. They don't want to continue paying Qualcomm under the old terms. They want to renegotiate and they think they're operating from a position of strength. Qualcomm thinks differently.

It is funny to see China actually getting involved with international IP cases. The cynic in me has a uneasy feeling China is doing this to promote their own national phone manufacturers. While iPhones are made in China, they’re not Chinese technology. Shutting down Apple’s sales seems like a good way to boost their own technology firms.
Just my opinion, but I don't think China gives two whits about the IP case. It just happens to be a convenient leverage point with Trump.
 
That's like saying Goodyear and Ford are both American companies, so hurting either company has the same effect.

The difference is one company is an order of magnitude larger than the other. It has a much bigger effect on the economy.

I can see that point, but it just seems a little... desperate? I don’t know, I just feel like if this really boils down to the whole trade war then China is starting to lose leverage and are just going for whatever they can get now. It doesn’t mean it’s not good leverage, it just seems like something somebody on the losing side would do when their backs are against the wall.
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You're assuming Huawei would pay.

Huawei makes its own baseband modem and SoC.

Ah I did not know this. Seems like Apple should have jumped on this around the time they jumped on the “A” series.
 
This is exactly related to my first comment. Somehow someone will try to blame Trump. Homeboy tries to blame him yet it’s two US companies going at it. This has nothing to do with China US government relations.
 
I can see that point, but it just seems a little... desperate? I don’t know, I just feel like if this really boils down to the whole trade war then China is starting to lose leverage and are just going for whatever they can get now. It doesn’t mean it’s not good leverage, it just seems like something somebody on the losing side would do when their backs are against the wall.

I don't see how it's "desperate." It's actually quite strategic and has a huge multiplier effect.

Qualcomm's main source of revenue is licensing fees. Without Apple sales in China, Apple's revenue would drop by 20%. Qualcomm would take a similar hit.
 
Yea it’s called “Utility” look it up. Which is the greatest good for the greatest number of people.

Whatever that's supposed to mean. The post I was replying to seemed to be of the opinion that it isn't fair that China has the lion's share of jobs from Apple. I was just balancing it out by pointing out the discrepancy in pay levels. You know, because life isn't really fair.
 
Meanwhile, Reuters reports of a judge in the USA has given a blow to Qualcomm, a pretrial ruling against the argument that because Apple (and others) have switched to other modem makers does not mean Qualcomm was not preserving its in monopoly mobile chips.

This is about the FTC's case against Qualcomm. Judge Koh.

Wonder how this will affect the Chinese court's ruling, going forward, if FTC wins the case next month!
 
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The 15,000 in Austin probably make more than all of the 5 million in China.

No, not even close.

On average, a corporate Apple employee makes $124k. Even if all 5 million Chinese workers were Foxconn assemblers, they would make 10x as much as the Austin team.
 
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Seems like Apple should have jumped on this around the time they jumped on the “A” series.

I get a feeling that Qualcomm is nervous: the A series stands at the top of the performance heap, and if sometime in the near future, Apple decides to put out the A20c (a very, very good, almost as good as the A20, SoC) for sale to anybody who wants one, in order to accelerate ARM adoption in more platforms, Qualcomm would be fighting an uphill battle for marketshare.
 
I still don't understand - How do you stop importing a product into a country - when it's manufactured in that country and then exported out to the rest of the world?

Special ZONES are typically created where those products manufactured for domestic consumption would undergo different process in terms of cost, duty, invoices etc.. anything goes and comes out will be recorded and audited since these special ZONES get tax concessions (ZERO tax for theirtearnings) and other subsidy benefits like cheap power, infra support etc

These ZONES typically have to comply with local regulations, clients regulations, global regulations (except may be some parts of IP :))
 
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It’s interesting that Qualcomm knew the ruling over a week beforehand. I would start checking the bank records for the judges involved. They were claiming Apple would settle very soon while they weren’t even having meetings. They jumped the gun and clearly knew what the ruling was. Especially without Apple present. Smell fishy.
 
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