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I can't wait to try these new apps out, maybe they will feature like MacOS
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Have fun out there swimming in the ocean of garbage. Literally the only reason I switched off android years ago ahoy spammers and scammer sharks ready too eat you alive

For such a tech savvy site, people on here have sure had problems with android. Somehow, my wife, who isn't techie at all, has been using android for a decade and has never been scammed, nor had a scam app on her phone. She has never used an alternate app store either.
 
Lots of trouble tickets into Apple will get 'stuck" because users won't be able to answer the simple question "Where did you purchase the app from?"

User: "through my phone"
Apple Support: "....ummm...."

This is why Apple's model was "user friendly", and why forcing this "open" marketplace is just gonna be a nightmare for less technical users.

But that's just another problem for Apple to solve.
I’m pretty sure Apple will provide straightforward access to that information. Like the app installation sheets mentioned in the announcement.
 
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I wonder if this will allow us to install apps that are now only available in certain markets (as an example, Vodafone Portugal app... you can't download if your Apple account is from another country...)
 
umm yeah the only reason those features work right now is it is routed threw Apple's app store. They dont control side loaded or other app store stuff.
Screen Time shouldn’t be an issue though. They’re just playing hardball.
 
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Apple in iOS 17.4 will begin allowing apps in the European Union to be distributed through alternative app stores rather than the iOS App Store, but the Cupertino company warns that this means certain features users have come to rely on will not work as they do for standard App Store apps.

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Restrictions on In-App Purchases in Screen Time will not be available, for example, nor will Family Purchase Sharing for apps and subscriptions that are made outside of the App Store. Ask to Buy is not a supported feature, and universal purchase, a feature that allows apps to work across all of a user's devices, is not offered.

Apple will not be able to offer these features because it will not be facilitating purchases of apps distributed through alternative app stores.

Screen Time, parental controls, and Spotlight will continue to function, according to Apple, but parents will need to adjust to not having access to purchasing restrictions for apps installed outside of the App Store.

Apple also warns that it will not be able to assist users with refunds, purchase history, subscription management and cancelation, violations of user data privacy, abuse, or fraud and manipulations.

Developers or the alternative app marketplace an app was downloaded from will need to handle issues like refunds and subscription cancelations. iPhone and iPad users will be able to choose not to install apps outside of the App Store, of course, and these changes are limited to users in the European Union.


Article Link: Apple Warns That Some Screen Time and Sharing Features Won't Work With Alternative App Distribution in the EU
Hold up, Screen Time was actually working?
 
Well the EU forced them to do all these changes by march but I don’t think they had certain things in mind, especially regarding the fees.

First feedback by Epic:

Sweeney says Apple’s new polices are illegal under the terms of the Digital Market Act, because Apple forces developers to choose between the traditional 15/30% commission terms or an “also-illegal anticompetitive scheme rife with new Junk Fees and new taxes on payments they don’t process”.
well, quoting Epic - what else did you expect?

I am sure Apple's lawyers have vetted this, and 10 days or so one of the EU officials met with Cook ...
That Apple will not support "side loaded" apps - that should be clear.
I am no legal expert, nor have I read the EU regulation other than here and in the press ...
 
Yup, Apple is about to get a lot of flack from users when they can't assist with app support.

Or if their phone gets bricked should a side-loaded nefarious app operates adversely.

But that's OK. Apple will be glad to sell them another phone.
 
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Yup, Apple is about to get a lot of flack from users when they can't assist with app support.

Apple also warns that it will not be able to assist users with refunds, purchase history, subscription management and cancelation, violations of user data privacy, abuse, or fraud and manipulations.

Lots of trouble tickets into Apple will get 'stuck" because users won't be able to answer the simple question "Where did you purchase the app from?"

User: "through my phone"
Apple Support: "....ummm...."

This is why Apple's model was "user friendly", and why forcing this "open" marketplace is just gonna be a nightmare for less technical users.

But that's just another problem for Apple to solve.
Will they even need to ask?
If you have an app problem won't your AppleID make it know to Apple where you purchased the app?
Easy to solve. The Appstore makes that disclaimer as does the 3rd party.

Job done. Is it that different to a manufacturer pointing you to the place it was purchased?
 
I wonder if Apple actually got all of these changes approved by the EU beforehand because I see a lot of things that could potentially be deemed not sufficient. looking forward to a statement
They can "comply" and keep making micro changes to drag the whole thing out over years.
 
Will they even need to ask?
If you have an app problem won't your AppleID make it know to Apple where you purchased the app?
Easy to solve. The Appstore makes that disclaimer as does the 3rd party.

Job done. Is it that different to a manufacturer pointing you to the place it was purchased?
and they'll still blame Apple
 
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My God you would have to be insane to leave the App Store for some 3rd party app marketplace.
problem is that apps like FaceBook for sure will move to their own appstore so that they can do all the stuff Apple does not allow them and people think they can't do without facebook so they will blindly download it from there and open up their device to Zuckerberg & co. Guess what, I quit facebook ages ago and I'm still alife and even have friends

I always hear that stupid argument 'but you don't have to use the 3rd party appstore, so be happy' ... but when evil companies move their apps only there and people think they need it, then its a problem. Thing is you don't have a choice where to download it from - but thats why I was glad to hear that Apple will still do some reviews/scanning for 3rd party store, so there is hope
 
This is what happens when you restrict users from allow side loading and open it up. That issue is Apple's own making.
Nah, Windows has never been closed and they get blamed for being insecure, rightly or not.

You don't get blamed more if you are closed and then open up. You get blamed if there is any problem at all.

It is certainly right for Apple to be concerned about security as much as possible, if for no other reason than to reduce the blame that will inevitably be coming at them.
 
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problem is that apps like FaceBook for sure will move to their own appstore so that they can do all the stuff Apple does not allow them and people think they can't do without facebook so they will blindly download it from there and open up their device to Zuckerberg & co. Guess what, I quit facebook ages ago and I'm still alife and even have friends

I always hear that stupid argument 'but you don't have to use the 3rd party appstore, so be happy' ... but when evil companies move their apps only there and people think they need it, then its a problem. Thing is you don't have a choice where to download it from - but thats why I was glad to hear that Apple will still do some reviews/scanning for 3rd party store, so there is hope
Then FB will never be on my iPhone, this is the reason this will never happen.
 
I wonder if Apple actually got all of these changes approved by the EU beforehand because I see a lot of things that could potentially be deemed not sufficient. looking forward to a statement

The restrictions make sense. If Apple did that, developers would complain Apple was trying to control what they can sell and how, such as with Ask to Buy; or forcing them to give product away via family sharing.

Developers will have to manage their own purchase refunds, chargebacks etc. since the purchase was done via 3rd party system.

Control means doing what Apple does for you by yourself.

Can parents turn off third party app stores universally?
doubtful imho, will likely be against the EU guidelines ...

I don't see why it would be a problem since the consumer would make teh choice, and that's what the EU regulation is about, consumer choice, right?


Well the EU forced them to do all these changes by march but I don’t think they had certain things in mind, especially regarding the fees.

First feedback by Epic:

Sweeney says Apple’s new polices are illegal under the terms of the Digital Market Act, because Apple forces developers to choose between the traditional 15/30% commission terms or an “also-illegal anticompetitive scheme rife with new Junk Fees and new taxes on payments they don’t process”.

What did you expect from Epic:

Hooray, we get to host our app on Apple's App Store for $99/year and get access to their entire user base at no additional charge?

He won't be happy until Apple is forced to let him be on the App Store for just the developer fee with no restrictions.
 
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