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A hard disagree from me.

Stores are just apps, essentially: apps containing a showcase of other apps. When Netflix, Amazon and many others remove their App Store apps and force you to download their own stores, then we will have a glut of these stores to deal with.

They’re unlikely to do that because it would just create additional steps and difficulty for their users. Netflix and Amazon have no reason to want to make it harder for users to get at their apps.

Meanwhile, it does not free them from Apple’s control/oversight, because their marketplace app itself would still be subject to Apple’s App Store policies and app review process.
 
They’re unlikely to do that because it would just create additional steps and difficulty for their users. Netflix and Amazon have no reason to want to make it harder for users to get at their apps.

Meanwhile, it does not free them from Apple’s control/oversight, because their marketplace app itself would still be subject to Apple’s App Store policies and app review process.

Your optimism about what the corps will do when they can put their very own stores on to the world's most lucrative mobile platform is sweetly naive.

And I don't see why Apple's checks on the app store apps will make a difference to whether or not Amazon, Google, Netflix etc decide to launch their own stores. Which they will.
 
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There isn't a single app that I'd be willing to load from a different app store. I'm guessing a lot of people feel the same way, so I we'll see how it pans out. At some point, the revenue from EU countries won't be worth the hassle for US companies to deal with their anti-business laws.
 
There isn't a single app that I'd be willing to load from a different app store. I'm guessing a lot of people feel the same way, so I we'll see how it pans out. At some point, the revenue from EU countries won't be worth the hassle for US companies to deal with their anti-business laws.

The EU has 450m consumers!
 
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Well the EU forced them to do all these changes by march but I don’t think they had certain things in mind, especially regarding the fees.

First feedback by Epic:

Sweeney says Apple’s new polices are illegal under the terms of the Digital Market Act, because Apple forces developers to choose between the traditional 15/30% commission terms or an “also-illegal anticompetitive scheme rife with new Junk Fees and new taxes on payments they don’t process”.
Isn't Apple allowed to continue to charge even outside the AppStore? I thought that was something they could do?
 
Really?

You search for Spotify in the app store and you get "Spotify+" which is actually a third party marketplace, and you download that. No technical expertise needed; in fact, the opposite. You'd need to be tech savvy to know you're downloading a marketplace (unless Apple gives you a warning, but even then, absent being tech savvy, you wouldn't understand the ramifications).

And many who d/l it, even if it an offical Spotify app, will expect Apple to deal with any issues they have with purchases from it.

They’re unlikely to do that because it would just create additional steps and difficulty for their users. Netflix and Amazon have no reason to want to make it harder for users to get at their apps.

Meanwhile, it does not free them from Apple’s control/oversight, because their marketplace app itself would still be subject to Apple’s App Store policies and app review process.

Why should Apple even host a competitor's App Store. The 3rd arty can create and distribut eit on their own, and have it sideload. Expecting Apple to host competitor's app stores is akin to requiring Aldi to post Lidl ads in store.
 
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problem is that apps like FaceBook for sure will move to their own appstore so that they can do all the stuff Apple does not allow them and people think they can't do without facebook so they will blindly download it from there and open up their device to Zuckerberg & co. Guess what, I quit facebook ages ago and I'm still alife and even have friends

I always hear that stupid argument 'but you don't have to use the 3rd party appstore, so be happy' ... but when evil companies move their apps only there and people think they need it, then its a problem. Thing is you don't have a choice where to download it from - but thats why I was glad to hear that Apple will still do some reviews/scanning for 3rd party store, so there is hope

And you are free not to use those apps if they leave.
Also we get back to if you think the app store is keeping you safe I have magic beans to sell you. Most of the security is OS side. Most if all the privacy is OS side. Things like advertising guess what if an app does not get permision to use it (side loaded or not) the app will always return all 0's. Basically doesn't give one. Apple could increase it to even make finger printing harder by limiting the info that gets returned but that is OS level.

All the security is OS side it is not in the store. The review process for the store is the same as monkies in a room poking at it. It is beyond a joke if you wanted to slip something pass them with either a time delay setting or a remote configuration. Remotely turn off the thing until after the release and no issue from apple.
 
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One potential answer is that it remains much easier for these companies to mine data from you on Android than it is on IOS. And given that, they get that extra value already on Android, voiding their need to sidestep the Play Store. But on IOS, where it is much more difficult to track user data, they very well may have a motivation to build an alternative.
As I have said multiple times before the Apple store protecting your privacy is nil. All of it is OS side. All the data that "blocked" by the app store is BS. There is no way to side step the permision on the OS. Ask for location data with out getting permisions or if it is denied it returns an error and no data. Advertising ID is always 0's until they get permission. The fingerprinting is not as hard as you think but even some of those values the OS could just hide and return some default values again making it harder to fingerprint. If all the info you get back is the phone model and screen size that is all you have to go on. Tons of those out there. Phone name returned could even be made to be iPhone/iPad until permission is granted.
 
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Of course will be popular, but with that popularity is going to come:
  • increased confusion from non-tech-savvy users
  • increased risk for everyone
  • wasted bandwidth since these alternative stores won't support "incremental app updates" that we get through the App Store. Software updates will likely need to be the full app package ... every ... single ... time. I hope I'm wrong about this item, as the delta update are a wonderful thing.
The only way I see this becoming an issue for non-techie people is if a well meaning family member intentionally installs a 3rd party App Store FOR them.

Ask a non-tech person what they think about side-loading and you’ll be met with blank stares.
 
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Which would argue for more protections, not less.
No I am saying that the App store protection that it gives is next to zero. it is more about making sure documentation is in place than anything. Reality is the app store review process does nothing to protect privacy. The real privacy protection is all OS side and has nothing to do with the store a side loaded app would be under the exact same restrictions and have to play by the exact same rules as the OS is what is providing the privacy and security not the app store.

The App store people saying it provide protection and security is just feel good. Reality it provides very little at all. It is all in the OS and the OS restrictions. Apple could easily require in the info.plist file the same as Android Manifest file, every system that every might need to be access must be declared. If not in that list then no use. Permisions to access is still required but since it is in a file that is compiled and backed in it can not be changed remotely.
 
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