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This is why Apple's model was "user friendly", and why forcing this "open" marketplace is just gonna be a nightmare for less technical users.

Not a real issue. Less technical users are unlikely to seek/find/encounter alternative app stores.

This will benefit technically-literate enthusiasts, and those seeking out categories of apps that are unavailable on Apple’s App Store.
 
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I always hear that stupid argument 'but you don't have to use the 3rd party appstore, so be happy' ... but when evil companies move their apps only there and people think they need it, then its a problem.

This is exactly what's going to happen. Some apps you must install are going to only be available in the 3rd party stores. This will most probably be true for iPhones provided by your employer and used for work. You just won't have a say in the matter.
 
Really?

You search for Spotify in the app store and you get "Spotify+" which is actually a third party marketplace, and you download that. No technical expertise needed; in fact, the opposite. You'd need to be tech savvy to know you're downloading a marketplace

No. Although Apple won’t regulate the content of other App Stores, it still controls the App Store listings of the marketplace apps themselves. A marketplace app with a deceptive listing would not be permitted.

And of course, searching in Apple’s App Store is not going to return results from other App Stores.
 
Well the EU forced them to do all these changes by march but I don’t think they had certain things in mind, especially regarding the fees.

First feedback by Epic:

Sweeney says Apple’s new polices are illegal under the terms of the Digital Market Act, because Apple forces developers to choose between the traditional 15/30% commission terms or an “also-illegal anticompetitive scheme rife with new Junk Fees and new taxes on payments they don’t process”.

Sweeney is a gibbering buffoon, no one should care what he thinks. He's doing a fine job running Epic into the ground as-is.
 
This is exactly what's going to happen. Some apps you must install are going to only be available in the 3rd party stores. This will most probably be true for iPhones provided by your employer and used for work. You just won't have a say in the matter.

There are already (and have always been) alternative distribution methods for in-house/corporate apps, which bypass the App Store.

 
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Oh really? Because it currently appears that the ones who said these things would "never" happen...are the ones who are wrong. Day one of the beta cycle and we're already seeing fragmentation that would "never happen". 🤷‍♂️ As it appears now, those of us who said these things WOULD happen...are correct.
What are these "things"?
 
Some apps you must install are going to only be available in the 3rd party stores. This will most probably be true for iPhones provided by your employer and used for work.
Doesn't this exist already? In the Developer Enterprise program you can sideload custom apps to MDM-enrolled business devices, without the App Store. But forcing employees to add random apps to their personal (non-MDM) devices would still be gross.

Apple Support: Install custom enterprise apps on iOS
 
Read the article. The alternate app stores will appear as an app. And, is "Spotify +" a deceptive name?

Exactly. And Apple regulates the listing of that app on their own App Store.

Besides being deceptive, an app named “Spotify+” violates Spotify’s trade mark and would not be accepted regardless of what type of app it was.
 
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This is exactly what's going to happen. Some apps you must install are going to only be available in the 3rd party stores. This will most probably be true for iPhones provided by your employer and used for work. You just won't have a say in the matter.

I already have apps installed on my work-provided iPhone that aren't available in the App Store. That's been an option with MDM for years.
 
Screentime doesn't work reliably for me anyway. My youngest will bring me a device and show me that all of his apps are locked even though he hasn't used it at all that day. Screentime will show that he's only used the device for 1 minute and yet he is still blocked from doing anything. Happens all of the time.
 
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This is what happens when you restrict users from allow side loading and open it up. That issue is Apple's own making.
Yes, please tell us how all companies should develop, produce, market, and distribute their products. We so desperately need the all-knowing among us to force these things upon us because we are soooo stupid and smelly.
 
When resourceful coders can build spy tools into a phone and do the same thing Apple does building spy tools for governments who need it, I guess somehow thats worse. They're both terrible and both need to stop it. Now with control of the mouse on any computer and also future AI enhancements. Apple already has a built in key logger and mouse logger on top of their cameras and sensors that can do all sorts of things. Just don't let anyone outside of Apple or spy agencies access to it cause THEY might do bad things with it.
 
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I wonder if Apple actually got all of these changes approved by the EU beforehand because I see a lot of things that could potentially be deemed not sufficient. looking forward to a statement
Apple did have that meeting with the EU leader not long ago. Would hope everything was explained verbatim on exactly what is and is not happening. And if something else needs to happen. When it will take place, etc.
 
problem is that apps like FaceBook for sure will move to their own appstore so that they can do all the stuff Apple does not allow them and people think they can't do without facebook so they will blindly download it from there and open up their device to Zuckerberg & co. Guess what, I quit facebook ages ago and I'm still alife and even have friends

I always hear that stupid argument 'but you don't have to use the 3rd party appstore, so be happy' ... but when evil companies move their apps only there and people think they need it, then its a problem. Thing is you don't have a choice where to download it from - but thats why I was glad to hear that Apple will still do some reviews/scanning for 3rd party store, so there is hope
Exactly this. I said on the other thread, you will almost certainly have Amazon and Netflix etc only offering their apps via their own app stores, to circumvent Apple policies and charges and compliance.

Amazon will have a Prime Video app, a store app, a games app etc. available in their store.

Netflix will have their main app, a games app, etc.

They will not be able to resist the idea of being able to showcase their complete service offerings via their own store.

Welcome to the age of forced multiple app stores.
 
Not a real issue. Less technical users are unlikely to seek/find/encounter alternative app stores.

This will benefit technically-literate enthusiasts, and those seeking out categories of apps that are unavailable on Apple’s App Store.

A hard disagree from me.

Stores are just apps, essentially: apps containing a showcase of other apps. When Netflix, Amazon and many others remove their App Store apps and force you to download their own stores, then we will have a glut of these stores to deal with.
 
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Making this whole exercise a moot point in the end.

It will be useful for those wanting niche apps that aren’t illegal, but which aren’t allowed on the App Store for whatever reason. Porn games/apps, for example.
 
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