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It's great that you have the benefit of hindsight, having full knowledge of the bug, the circumstances and edge case that produced it, the extent of the threat, "the obvious" temporary solution, etc.

It affects privacy so group FaceTime should have been temporarily shut down while the bug was investigated.
 
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Apple definitely should’ve let people know about it sooner. I know they probably didn’t want it to get much attention and work on it behind the scenes, but people have the right to know so they can disable it.
 
Exactly. Now that everyone here knows everything (potentially, possibly/likely not) there is to know about the bug; ie the nature of the threat, the circumstances, extent, having all the potential edge cases explored, a potential solution that addresses the problem that is thoroughly tested, etc, etc. it's a very easy fix for the arm chair QC pundits having the benefit of full knowledge.
I still want to know why rumor sites felt it necessary to publish the exact steps to re-create the bug. What is the purpose of that? So a bunch of geeks will stupidly try to re-created it with their buddies?
 
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Hmm they vouch Privacy so much and its becoming a punchline for them...what a joke. Should have never placed those billboards at CES due to this sort of mess................Privacy my A**
 
Wow. Apple should have been more transparent about this issue and it should have immediately disabled Group FaceTime. Immediately. For a company that touts privacy and security as its main focus, this is inexcusable.

Inexcusable? Come on people... **** happens. It's not like Apple sold your information to Russia...
 
Exactly. Now that everyone here knows everything (potentially, possibly/likely not) there is to know about the bug; ie the nature of the threat, the circumstances, extent, having all the potential edge cases explored, a potential solution that addresses the problem that is thoroughly tested, etc, etc. it's a very easy fix for the arm chair QC pundits having the benefit of full knowledge.
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Now you're going down that obfuscation road. Don't do that bud. Fact is no one here knows everything there is to know about the bug. But you know that already. More of a fact, no one here needs to know anything about the bug. Apple was informed of issue a week ago. The bug is easy to replicate. Once they replicated it, they should have shuttered FT until the figured a solution. Us know the ins and outs is immaterial. Apple knew there was an issue. Even if they didn't jump on it right away, it didn't take them a week to realize there was an issue. Public outcry shouldn't have been needed for there to be a call to action.
 
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This has already been answered once in post #108.
OK has this women posted any of the responses from Apple yet? What was the response to the bug report she filed? What was the response she sent to Apple Security? She already posted a portion of an email on Twitter. Why not post the entire thing (blacking out any personal confidential information)?
 
So, a user finds the facetime bug a week ago and uses Apples official bug reporting channels to report it. The user shows evidence that Apple was contacted a number of times regarding the bug but kept the issue quiet.

It now transpires that a week after the bug was reported to Apple, another user finds the bug and makes it publicly known. All hell breaks loose and Apple shuts down Facetime Group server.

Apple had a week to fix the bug before someone else found it and gave it full disclosure. Now facetime users cannot group chat because of the companies incompetence to fix the bug when it was first reported, and Apple fans still stick by them!!!
What exactly do you want us to do? Burn them in effigy? Go to Android? (because trusting your life to Google is a totally great idea if your concern is privacy, right?) Stop using technology?
 
Wow. I’m actually surprised Apple didn’t take action sooner. Seems like they care more when these things make headlines.

But also, I’m sure not a ton of people discovered this.

Especially on the day they report earnings. Talk about bad timing.
 
Yes. Every public corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to its share holders. Nothing new or unique to apple here.

I don't think there is anything new or unique. Like any other big company, Apple's main priority is the share holders with privacy and everything else a distant second.
 
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Cant wait for the next Keynote and Jony Ive video:
Imagine Jony narrating this:
"For more than 35 years our intention has been to create a computing device that is pure privacy. With ios 12.1 we have achieved that. Privacy has been redesigned to be more fluid, to blend seamlessly with No Privacy. A simple concept that disappears into the technology and makes the boundary between the caller and the receiver hard to discern. Our state of the art polished marketing allows, for the first time, the total redefinition of privacy to introduce PrivacyX. PrivacyX enables new experiences and for the first time anyone who wants to listen to other peoples conversations can simply, with a press of a button, achieve that. PrivacyX will redefine what's possible and will come on all iOS devices, starting a week ago."
 
OK has this women posted any of the responses from Apple yet? What was the response to the bug report she filed? What was the response she sent to Apple Security? She already posted a portion of an email on Twitter. Why not post the entire thing (blacking out any personal confidential information)?

She might provide it to one of the news orgs that have been tweeting her. Maybe she wants to get her face on TV rather than posting up on Twitter for free. She isn't doing any harm there really.
 
Does anyone know how long the audio and video would have been recording for? And if I had FaceTime calls go through/ring on my phone and iPad would it record both or just the phone???
 
The fact that this person was tweeting ever news org under the sun last night yet won’t share the full emails/bug reports or Apple’s response. Sketchy to me. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that a site like this believes 100% some random person on the internet. It makes Apple look bad so of course people here believe it.
Right. Because there is nothing in Apple's history to give anyone a reasonable reason to question Apple's motives. :confused:
 
Hmm they vouch Privacy so much and its becoming a punchline for them...what a joke. Should have never placed those billboards at CES due to this sort of mess................Privacy my A**

One thing is to vouch privacy, another is having a bug that can be used for malicious use. Have you been affected by this? Has anyone?! I still have a hard time understanding what exactly the problem is, and how big an issue it is, but I think most of you in here, have blown this issue totally out of proportions.

If you think I'm wrong, please elaborate on why you think so, and why you are so offended by Apple having a bug in their software, that CAN be used to "spy" on your relatives (I assume you have to know the person or his/her phone number).
 
People are so naive about how businesses work in particular software works. Unless you are at a small start up it can take days to get even critical information to the engineers and even after that it could take several days to fix or find solutions to a bug even major bugs. It's just not realistic.

You nailed it exactly, @AdonisSMU. Everyone wants to play the "hurt victim" on the forum just for the attention. Apple likely gets an insane amount of bug reports a day, all with people claiming they are all absolutely critical. Not to mention all the "bug reports" that get sent to them via incorrect channels (such at Twitter - buried in how many tweets they get sent daily?). Then it has to get routed to the correct team, tested to determined what is happening, and then figure out what options they have to fix it (temporary vs permanent). It would be a worse move to come out and say, "Yep. This is definitely an issue, and here is how it works, and...oh yeah...now that you all know how to do it, we don't know how to fix it yet, so PLEASE don't use it..." A week is about just right for a company this size to get this, log it, test it, and determine a fix.

For all those whining about how upset they are about this, please share the story with us of how you were materially and negatively impacted! We'll wait....

Spare us all your fake outrage. You are not even as close as important as you think you are, to feel that someone *could* have spied on you.

Feel free to leave the Apple Ecosystem if you're so gravely hurt. I'm sure you'll love all the viruses and adware and deliberate spyware in the Google Play store so much more.
 
Serious question, do you, or don't you, believe this woman is seeking fame?
Serious answer. I don't care. You shouldn't either. Whether she's seeking fame, fortune, or just wants to see the world burn... it's immaterial. What you should care about is the state of your devices. That woman's motivations can't affect your devices. Apple's actions, or lack there of, can affect the state of your devices.

So in the grand scheme of things, if she was seeking fame... great. It got Apple to get off it's butt and do something.
 
Asking for money + going to FOX "news" = zero credibility
Apple has a bounty program for just this reason. Zero credibility for going to a news organization after Apple seemingly didn't give any meaningful response? That seems very responsible to me. It isn't like this person posted how the exploit worked like all of the other news organizations.
 
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hope you Apple users are enjoying your privacy. Open your eyes: Apple is a ADVERTISING company. They sell you cheap and outdated crap at THOUSANDS of dollars when alternatives are better and cost only hundreds. Don’t fall for the marketing gimmicks. Privacy is a cheap promise to rope you in to buying a $1,500 phone that does only 10% of what a beautiful Samsung Galaxy does at fraction of the price.
 
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