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Read the article more carefully. Despite the thinner display, the overall size will be roughly the same to fit in a larger battery and additional components to the innards.
Aware thanks. I meant that a notably (~75%) thinner display leaves notably more room for more performance guts. Sry I wasn't clear.
 
On the contrary: if the overall watch is the same size as the current model, but the size of the individual parts are smaller, then it will likely have a bigger battery and better battery life! So good news if this is the case.

Better battery life, or more likely roughly same battery life and instead better performance from sensors/fuel for new GPS sensor.
 
except for those who already have one (me) and see no reason to buy another one with this minimal change.

as well as everyone else who didn't buy it and still see no reason to.

So my question is... who is going to buy this?

Millions of people, likely. Many were on the fence due to battery life and lack of GPS.
 
Why do people want always on when they don't constantly look at their watch.

For me it's just one of those little things that make the experience much more enjoyable. You are right, no one constantly looks at their watch. But that ever so slight delay, and sometimes having to flick your wrist, is an inconvenience and take away from the overall experience in my opinion.
 
first day SS AW1 owner - love it - not that excited about what I'm reading here - ... we'll see tomorrow.
 
It's pretty bad when you have to break out the calipers to figure out what is different about a product that is coming out 2 years after the first product.

Apple 2 is going to finally show a LOT of investors that Apple can't innovate anymore. I think if 2016 was poor for Apple's sales, 2017 is going to be very bad for Apple's stock and reputation because all Apple will be trying to do is sell old crap that hasn't seen innovation since Steve Jobs was around.
 
It's pretty bad when you have to break out the calipers to figure out what is different about a product that is coming out 2 years after the first product.

Apple 2 is going to finally show a LOT of investors that Apple can't innovate anymore. I think if 2016 was poor for Apple's sales, 2017 is going to be very bad for Apple's stock and reputation because all Apple will be trying to do is sell old crap that hasn't seen innovation since Steve Jobs was around.

GPS is huge for a lot of people. Better performance is also huge for a lot of people. Just because something doesn't interest you that doesn't mean no one else is interested. I seriously considered buying an AW1 but decided to hold out and see what they do with the second gen. If what's rumored is true then it's more than enough to pull me in and I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one. I don't know where this myth that Apple changes the world every 1-2 years came from.
 
It's pretty bad when you have to break out the calipers to figure out what is different about a product that is coming out 2 years after the first product.

Apple 2 is going to finally show a LOT of investors that Apple can't innovate anymore. I think if 2016 was poor for Apple's sales, 2017 is going to be very bad for Apple's stock and reputation because all Apple will be trying to do is sell old crap that hasn't seen innovation since Steve Jobs was around.

No it won't. People who understand Apple understand that model changes are incremental. Bigger battery and GPS fit the bill.

Look at the MacBook Air, which was released with one port, an 80GB spinning disk drive, and a (relatively) slow CPU. And didn't come into a mainstream machine until 3-4 years later. It's only people who get whipped up in a frenzy over the word "innovation" will care.

Why do you worry about what investors think, Apple's reputation, and how their stock will perform? And the "old crap" Apple sells?
 
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It's pretty bad when you have to break out the calipers to figure out what is different about a product that is coming out 2 years after the first product.

Apple 2 is going to finally show a LOT of investors that Apple can't innovate anymore. I think if 2016 was poor for Apple's sales, 2017 is going to be very bad for Apple's stock and reputation because all Apple will be trying to do is sell old crap that hasn't seen innovation since Steve Jobs was around.

Apple is Doomed guys! Apple is DOOMED!!! :rolleyes:
 
Extremely boring video! Why 8+ minutes when 2 is more than enough?
A lot of these folks don't do videos for entertainment purposes, so length honestly isn't an issue for them. That's not necessarily in defense of anyone, but it just is. I find that, generally, the less "entertainment value" a video has, the longer it tends to be. /shrug
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I'm in the same boat. It has to something drastically different for me to upgrade; not just do the same things potentially longer.
It's worth noting that Apple doesn't necessarily design all of their products with constant upgrades in mind. There are still a lot of iPhone owners who don't have Apple watches. Adding to the feature set to entice these customers is likely Apple's goal, currently.

I'm personally intrigued by the battery and gps additions. If the god works nicely with software (either first or third party) this device, for me, might replace a $250+ sports watch all the while giving me Apple eatch functionality.

The biggest reason I didn't buy into the first gen Watch was because I felt the cost of entry was too steep considering it wasn't a very good sports watch. Couple this with an even better eater resistance rating and the same price point (cheaper would be amazing but let's not push it) and they've turned a product that I didn't previously find attractive into something that I do.

All that said I am definitely keeping my eyes peeled for the Samsung offering, which will apparently work with iOS (to what extent I do not yet know). I prefer the look of s round Watch, though not enough for that to be a deciding factor. The claimed battery life in that thing is phenomenal as is the resistance to some much crazier conditions than I would ever put it through.
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It's pretty bad when you have to break out the calipers to figure out what is different about a product that is coming out 2 years after the first product.
This isn't all that different from what is done with other bits and pieces of devices that people come across before an official launch. Hell, ifixit makes this part of their business. They caliper everything.

I can respect your opinion that it's disappointing the Watch didn't get an outwardly overhauled look. But I just don't know that this is a large deciding factor for the majority of buyers, particularly in a Watch. If it looks good (let's argue that it does because his is subjective), why change it?

In Nancy ways I feel like original Apple Watch users were the beta testers. I'm not saying this in a derogatory manner. But just look at the changes the OS has undergone in two years time. Functionsllynitnis almost completely different. If it helps, don't think of this as Watch 2, think of it as a better fleshed out hardware revision of the original Watch. You may not find that palatable, but as a person who has waited to buy a smart watches that I deemed worth my dollar, I think it's about where it needs to be right now.
 
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GPS, barometer, better touch responsiveness, a faster processor, and bigger battery? I have an AW1 and I will buy this as soon as I can. Love the AW1 I've had since day 1, but I feel like these upgrades will really improve the experience, at least for me.
Of those you listed, only the GPS intrigues me. The other items have been non-issues for me since day 1. YMMV. However, we still need to see how the GPS, if at all, will be implemented. The GPS and mapping software on the phone is the single biggest battery drainer that I have encountered. On the watch, even with a larger battery, I can imagine that it will suck the battery dry pretty quickly. It will need to off load its initial satellite acquisition to the phone (no AGPS without LTE or edge) and then there is the issue of syncing maps if you want to use the watch for mapping or running without a phone nearby. Isn't that back to the good 'ol days. If a phone is nearby then a built in GPS is moot as the phone provides that data to the watch. Point is, a GPS on the watch may be so hobbled or power costly that it may be more of a check box item than a genuinely useful feature. We shall see.
 
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except for those who already have one (me) and see no reason to buy another one with this minimal change.

as well as everyone else who didn't buy it and still see no reason to.


So my question is... who is going to buy this?
I certainly couldn't say how many people who didn't buy the first Watch are in line to buy this one. I know I am (potentially), as a new buyer, due to the added gps functionality. I mentioned above that, if done right, this product essentially eliminates the need for a $250+ gps enabled Watch. Assuming pricing stays the same, and I want an Apple Watch, I've just saved $250. I couldn't tell you how many people fall into that situation.

At the end of the day I always like to say that it's pretty safe to assuming Apple has a better understanding of their prospective buyers than we here at MR do. Apple doesn't seem to just fling **** at the wall and see what sticks. That doesn't mean they haven't released anything bad, or at least much less good than it should be.

If this doesn't entice you to upgrade and you're enjoying your current Watch, that's money in your pocket right? That's how I'm viewing the iPhone 7. I see no need to upgrade. I'm content with that. :)
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Of those you listed, only the GPS intrigues me. The other items have been non-issues for me since day 1. YMMV. However, we still need to see how the GPS, if at all, will be implemented. The GPS and mapping software on the phone is the single biggest battery drainer that I have encountered. On the watch, even with a larger battery, I can imagine that it will suck the battery dry pretty quickly. It will need to off load its initial satellite acquisition to the phone (no AGPS without LTE or edge) and then there is the issue of syncing maps if you want to use the watch for mapping or running without a phone nearby. Isn't that back to the good 'ol days. If a phone is nearby then a built in GPS is moot as the phone provides that data to the watch. Point is, a GPS on the watch may be so hobbled or power costly that it may be more of a check box item than a genuinely useful feature. We shall see.
Gps for running and biking could be a show stopper. Other watches with much smaller batteries go 10+ hours with gps.

I agree, implementation is critical.
 
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It's pretty bad when you have to break out the calipers to figure out what is different about a product that is coming out 2 years after the first product.

Apple 2 is going to finally show a LOT of investors that Apple can't innovate anymore. I think if 2016 was poor for Apple's sales, 2017 is going to be very bad for Apple's stock and reputation because all Apple will be trying to do is sell old crap that hasn't seen innovation since Steve Jobs was around.

Relax. Apple will be able to ride the Steve Jobs innovations for another 5 years at least. The Apple car will be a distraction after that. Hopefully in 10 years, they will have time to come up with something new.
 
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If you haven't worn a watch in years, you'll find that big ass watches are the trend these days. The 42mm AW is actually smaller than some of the big ass watches out there.
Really when I showed my wife the AW 42 - she thought this was the small size- all her Michael kors watches are thicker/bigger and heavier - this is her model.

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Regardless, more battery life is always better!
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You joke, but the Apple Watch is one of the few Apple products that people wouldn't mind being thinner. If you had picked literally any other product, you'd be right on the money. Unlucky. :)

That's how I Feel about it too. I own the 42 MM Stainless version and one of my favorite features is the overall thickness and heft to it.
 
aint that the truth. MR is the definitive source for whining.

Although that is true in general, in this particular example it's not a valid criticism. A primary function of a watch is to tell time at a glance. It is something that dumbwatches are very very good at. Having to wait for the time to display after lifting your arm, and then sometimes it doesn't come on and you have to shake your wrist, and even *then* it sometimes doesn't come on if you don't do the motion correctly, so you touch the watch to make the display come on, is a bad user experience, and the primary aspect in which the Apple Watch is grossly inferior to the devices it aims to replace.

For those who weren't previously watch-wearers, it might not be an issue, but for those who have worn watches for a long time it is a very noticeable and irritating step backwards. And it is a deficiency that is IMHO clearly temporary; I fully expect that they'll add always-on once they get the power issues sorted out, although I don't know if this will be that release because they'll also presumably have the GPS fighting for the battery.
 
A primary function of a watch is to tell time at a glance. It is something that dumbwatches are very very good at. Having to wait for the time to display after lifting your arm, and then sometimes it doesn't come on and you have to shake your wrist, and even *then* it sometimes doesn't come on if you don't do the motion correctly, so you touch the watch to make the display come on, is a bad user experience, and the primary aspect in which the Apple Watch is grossly inferior to the devices it aims to replace.

For those who weren't previously watch-wearers, it might not be an issue, but for those who have worn watches for a long time it is a very noticeable and irritating step backwards. And it is a deficiency that is IMHO clearly temporary; I fully expect that they'll add always-on once they get the power issues sorted out, although I don't know if this will be that release because they'll also presumably have the GPS fighting for the battery.

But it works fine the vast majority of the time and I'm sure Apple will improve on it further over time. It actually takes people longer to arrive at the correct time on an analog face than for the AW screen to come on. Always on isn't going to change this aspect, at least on luxury watches (which always have analog faces).

Some of the smartwatches that do have always-on actually show a dimmed, crippled face and you still have to wake it up to see the full face, and members here have reported that it's not exactly a good user experience either.
 
On the contrary: if the overall watch is the same size as the current model, but the size of the individual parts are smaller, then it will likely have a bigger battery and better battery life! So good news if this is the case.

I really don't see what difference few hours more battery are gonna make it I still have to charge it every night. I think the battery life will be the same but the extra battery will be needed for the extra chips added ( like GPS)
 
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For me it's just one of those little things that make the experience much more enjoyable. You are right, no one constantly looks at their watch. But that ever so slight delay, and sometimes having to flick your wrist, is an inconvenience and take away from the overall experience in my opinion.
Quite agree. It's a small but noticeable thing, and often the experience is made by an accumulation of those. It also makes impossible stealing a surreptitious look at the time if you're at a meeting or speaking with someone who won't shaddap. With a regular watch you can throw a glance at your immobile wrist and know the time. With Apple Watch you must choose between looking at a dark rectangle or being obvious you need to know what time it is. :)

Not sure the benefit would be worth the battery penalty, but there it is.

Apple 2 is going to finally show a LOT of investors that Apple can't innovate anymore. I think if 2016 was poor for Apple's sales, 2017 is going to be very bad for Apple's stock and reputation because all Apple will be trying to do is sell old crap that hasn't seen innovation since Steve Jobs was around.
Yawn.
 
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