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Apple Watch 2 Not Likely to See March Debut [Updated]

iMember said:
If I'm paying more than $300 i expect to have at least FaceTime camera, people buy smartphones because of the cameras, they don't use it as much..but that's the main reason why smartphones are more popular than laptops
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Oh yes... That's the reason smartphones are more popular than laptops.

There was me thinking it was because they actually made cellular calls or could fit in your pocket.
 
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iamrandyellis said:
I really saddens me that Apple thinks someone would buy a new watch every year. They've updated the Thunderbolt display with variants without calling it Thunderbolt display 2, 3, 4, etc. Why can't they do the same for the Apple Watch.
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I am curious to see what the Next watch could do. The first watch didn't interest me. I've been buying a new iPhone every year and I'm sure people will buy a new watch every year. Why wouldn't Apple release a new one yearly?

As for the Thunderbolt display, it is several years old now and has never been updated.
 
dannys1 said:
But if you're going to move the goalposts to prove the point surely you have to accept its different depending where those goalposts are. If there was no iPad tomorrow, my life would not be a jot of difference. There are many people like me that value the Watch more. I would just default to the Macbook I use anyway.

You can't decide that just because it applies to one sector (enterprise in this case) it applies to everyone single other sector. Most home iPad users have it as a luxury device to consume media on - granted I could run my business without an iPad or an Apple Watch but the Apple Watch currently helps me much more.
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I'm not moving any goalposts, you are. My original statement was that the AW was a true luxury. In that paragraph I didn't compare it to the iPad. In fact my only mention of the iPad in the entire post was to mention I used to upgrade annually. You are the one that responding that you thought the iPad was a luxury. Honestly, that is a different discussion. I disagree with you, but it's not the focus of my point here.

A luxury is something not needed for survival -- be it business, life, socially, etc. That perfectly describes the AW. It's a nicety, but it's also just a "mirror" of the iPhone. There is nothing you can't do on AW that you can't do on the iPhone. The AW just makes it more convenient. Convenience is a synonym for luxury.
 
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iamrandyellis said:
I really saddens me that Apple thinks someone would buy a new watch every year. They've updated the Thunderbolt display with variants without calling it Thunderbolt display 2, 3, 4, etc. Why can't they do the same for the Apple Watch.
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What I find interesting is that there will probably be a large number of Apple aficionados who will buy a new watch every year.
 
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iamrandyellis said:
I really saddens me that Apple thinks someone would buy a new watch every year. They've updated the Thunderbolt display with variants without calling it Thunderbolt display 2, 3, 4, etc. Why can't they do the same for the Apple Watch.
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Car companies release new cars every year. Why do people feel like they have to upgrade electronics just because a new one comes out?
 
blairh said:
I seriously doubt most consumers would entertain this idea.
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Watch people will. And you have to ask yourself, why would Apple go to the trouble to enable multiple watches to a single iPhone with all the other software improvements they could be making if there wasn't a significant market for multiple watches per customer?
 
OllyW said:
I wonder what percentage of iPhone users do upgrade at every new release? I don't know anyone who does but that could just be a reflection on my friends as none of them are Apple Watch owners either. :D
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I know a few people who upgrade their iPhone every year. It would be interesting to see what the percentage was, especially with Verizon Edge, etc and contracts disappearing.
 
I'm expecting that there will be an upgrade this Spring, however it will be more of a refresh in that they will introduce a faster 14nm processor that uses less power and a thinner profile. The battery will remain about the same which is what they did with the ipads and used increased power efficiency to enable a thinner lighter design. There will be software upgrades too at that time.
 
macfacts said:
Don't Apple products have great resale value? Just sell the v1 apple watch to buy the v2.
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Apple watch does not seem to be holding it value, like many apple products, I believe too many people have changed thier minds during the ownership
 
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SupaDav03 said:
Obviously you do not own an Apple Watch nor have you spent any extended period of time with one. The battery life is just fine. I can wear it all day and night and still get through the next day of work on a single charge. Bulky? WTF? Are you serious? It's barely larger them my mechanical watches. Im by no means a large guy, and the 42mm looks good on my wrist. Not bulky at all. Please stop regurgitating crap you read online and form your own opinions based on actual, personal experiences.
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I agree with you. Typical non user. What does 24x7 mean? I assume it is referring to a watch that the display is constantly on- why would anyone want the display on when u are not looking at it. Just more nonsense from the charlatans.
 
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Keirasplace said:
Why would they? And let the competition catch up? That would be foolish. They got the advantage and should press on.
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Exactly. Yes, a refresh might be disappointing to the early adopters (luckily Apple products hold their value quite well) but from a business point of view, Apple needs to refresh it soon to keep people interested and gain more buyers. So far, the Apple Watch sales have been just OK. Even though its a good product, there are many things holding people back from purchasing one. Battery life has to go up, the casing should get a little thinner, it needs more functions that work separate from an iPhone and it needs more health features and sensors to rival FitBit.

As I've said before, the Apple Watch 2 will most likely be the equivalent to the "S" iPhones, a simple refresh that is more evolutionary than revolutionary. The Apple Watch 1 will most likely stay on sale to offer a lower entry point. Right now, Apple is in a good position when it comes to wearable technology. Their only real competition is FitBit. However, that could easily change at any moment.
 
terminator-jq said:
Exactly. Yes, a refresh might be disappointing to the early adopters (luckily Apple products hold their value quite well) but from a business point of view, Apple needs to refresh it soon to keep people interested and gain more buyers. So far, the Apple Watch sales have been just OK. Even though its a good product, there are many things holding people back from purchasing one. Battery life has to go up, the casing should get a little thinner, it needs more functions that work separate from an iPhone and it needs more health features and sensors to rival FitBit.

As I've said before, the Apple Watch 2 will most likely be the equivalent to the "S" iPhones, a simple refresh that is more evolutionary than revolutionary. The Apple Watch 1 will most likely stay on sale to offer a lower entry point. Right now, Apple is in a good position when it comes to wearable technology. Their only real competition is FitBit. However, that could easily change at any moment.
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The first iPhone was succeeded by the iPhone 3G. It was the third generation that was an "S" release. I wonder if the same might be true of the Apple Watch.
 
Mac 128 said:
Watch people will. And you have to ask yourself, why would Apple go to the trouble to enable multiple watches to a single iPhone with all the other software improvements they could be making if there wasn't a significant market for multiple watches per customer?
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Again I seriously doubt this will happen. You can disagree if you desire.
 
Mac 128 said:
Reports are that Apple only sold 8 million Watches in 2015, which if true extrapolates to about 10 million for a year. the iPhone has over 300 million users worldwide. And each one of those iPhones is a potential customer. So do you two actually think that Apple built the Watch to sell to the same 10 million customer over and over? Do you think Apple even cares about those first 10 million customers now that they have their money? The reality here is Apple wants to sell 300 million watches -- one for every iPhone customer. If they're lucky they may get half that eventually. But they're not going to get there very quickly at 10 million a year. At most they expect their next 10 million watches to come from brand new customers, and at most would expect 1/3 of the first gen customers to upgrade. And one way to get new customers, is to offer new features, new marketing and a new product. And that's exactly what Apple is going to do, the sooner the better.

The most surprising aspect of this whole discussion is that there's 5 pages devoted to tech, and not one mention of fashion -- an industry with seasonal upgrade cycles. The Watch is at least half fashion, and is competing with a watch industry that releases new model designs every year. Yet everyone around here is discussing the watch like an iPad -- a device that truly doesn't need to be updated every year -- or a Mac, instead of the most personal product Apple has ever created, hiring away important fashion designers and excutives, and courting luminaries of the fashion world. This last fact alone should inform anyone's understanding of how this product will be handled.
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Who considers the Watch a fashion item, though? Yes, Apple tried to push it that way, but I don't think the public or the fashion industry agree. As a fashion accessory, it's a fail. An ugly black blob on the wrist. Apple wanted it to be taken seriously as a fashion item, but the lackluster sales and profound lack of excitement around the product suggest they failed. It's a tech accessory and that's how the public views it.

As you point out, 8-10 million units sold in a year when you have 300+ million potential customers is weak. I'd say dismal. You'd think they could have at least reached 10% of their iPhone base. The real question is, now that the fans have theirs, can Apple even maintain 10 million units per year? I doubt it. They've done a terrible job convincing the public that they need a Watch.
 
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sracer said:
You are expressing a common thought but it is pretty narrow.

You appear to be assuming that the primary reason for producing a 2nd Gen Apple Watch is to get current AW1 owners to replace their AW with an AW2.

There are MANY people who DON'T own an AW. Reality is, if Apple wants to grow their sales they will need to produce something that will entice those currently-not-owning-AW people. Yes, there may be some who have been sitting on the fence regarding the AW1 who will buy, but that can go only so far. This is the fundamental reason why Apple improves their products and produces multiple generations of them. Why should Apple take a "one and done" approach with the AW (or wait "x" years before making any improvements)?

You said, "tech hasn't evolved much at all since last year". How do you know what Apple's engineers have been working on? It is quite possible that there have been improvements made to the sensors, scale of components, and breakthroughs/optimizations. What does Apple do with those things? They can slip-stream them into the current AW production without ever announcing a formal "generation" bump, formally announce a new generation, or do nothing with those improvements.

I get the feeling that most of the resistance to Apple producing an improved version of the AW is rooted in current owners not wanting to own "last generation's" model. (I'm not saying that this is YOUR motivation, I don't even know if you own an AW, or that it is a feeling of the majority of current AW owners, but it seems to be the general "feel")

For me, if the AW was more of an "iPod Nano 6th Gen on steroids" (I currently use that on occasion as my watch), I would've been all over it. But as it stands, I'm waiting to see what AW2 brings, when it brings it.
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The thing is most people don't want one, no one I know cares, they have an iPhone but don't want a Watch.
 
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scaramoosh said:
The thing is most people don't want one, no one I know cares, they have an iPhone but don't want a Watch.
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Same here. I probably know 50+ iPhone owners and only one bought a Watch. I see absolutely no interest in the product among my friends or business colleagues.
 
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