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You can resist purchasing for whatever reasons you desire. Again, I don't understand how this is an issue. Please explain the difference between taking your AW off and putting it on your nightstand versus plopping onto the charging pad.

You're asking the wrong question. You're making out that the flaw is okay which is something an Apple Watch owner has to live with. Charging a watch daily or every other day is an absurd proposition. This is why smart watches are simply toy accessories at this point. Give me a watch that can go a week between charges, has a display that can actually stay on for more than a minute rather than sucking the battery life, and isn't thicker than a Macbook retina, then I might consider one.
 
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You're asking the wrong question. You're making out that the flaw is okay which is something an Apple Watch owner has to live with. Charging a watch daily or every other day is an absurd proposition. This is why smart watches are simply toy accessories at this point. Give me a watch that can go a week between charges, has a display that can actually stay on for more than a minute rather than sucking the battery life, and isn't thicker than a Macbook retina, then I might consider one.

I still don't see the issue. We charge our phones daily. What bother is a watch too?

Your simply deciding things for yourself. Which is fine. Your entitled to such things of course. But if you really break it down the difference between taking a watch off at the end of the night and putting it down on your dresser or nightstand versus doing the exact same thing and simply placing it on a charging dock is essentially the very same thing.

I understand you aren't the only person feeling this way, I simply can't comprehend this way of thinking.

I've never once noticed the thickness of the AW. I don't need the screen to stay on for long periods of time. If you do, then of course that's a change you'll have to wait and obtain down the road.
 
I really saddens me that Apple thinks someone would buy a new watch every year. They've updated the Thunderbolt display with variants without calling it Thunderbolt display 2, 3, 4, etc. Why can't they do the same for the Apple Watch.

Version 2 will be aimed primarily at people who haven't bought Version 1. Technology progresses. It doesn't pay to sit still.
 
I agree with a 2 year life cycle. If Apple would have said that from the beginning I would have picked one up while it was on sale during the holidays. But today I'm in a holding pattern.

I'm holding off until Gen 2. Even if there are more rumours like this, I'm not buying until Gen 2.

The main reason is people's #1 complaint is the device isn't fast enough, and this is clearly the first thing they address.
 
Again I seriously doubt this will happen. You can disagree if you desire.
Well I do disagree, and it's because Apple has spent considerable effort developing software to allow a customer to easily switch between multiple watches on the same iPhone. That kind of backs up my opinion. If you have another view of why that feature would otherwise be important for Apple to make it a priority, only a couple of months ahead of their rumored gen 2 launch date, I'd be interested to hear it. Otherwise your opinion is your opinion, and that's fine, but it's presnetly baseless, whereas mine is not.
 
Well I do disagree, and it's because Apple has spent considerable effort developing software to allow a customer to easily switch between multiple watches on the same iPhone. That kind of backs up my opinion. If you have another view of why that feature would otherwise be important for Apple to make it a priority, only a couple of months ahead of their rumored gen 2 launch date, I'd be interested to hear it. Otherwise your opinion is your opinion, and that's fine, but it's presnetly baseless, whereas mine is not.

Well......do you know of anybody with 2 Apple Watch's? I don't. In fact I've never read such a thing on this forum or any other.

So while there may be some consumers who have 2 for the reason you state, I'm very confident it's an extremely low occurrence.
 
Having owned an Apple Watch since launch, I don't see what the big issues are with people holding off. The Watch far exceeded my expectations and it is a pleasure to wear everyday. Is it slow? No. Then again, I'm not trying to read all of my emails on my Watch, nor am I trying to navigate and open up mundane apps like VLC Player on my Watch. That is not the point of the Watch.

Interactions with the Watch are meant to be simple for the reason that if you really need to interact with a device full-on, you pull your iPhone out. Likewise, my iPhone can open PDFs, but am I going to be viewing and reading a textbook on my iPhone? Probably not unless I'm sitting on the toilet (don't lie, you read on the toilet). I would prefer to read them on my iPad Pro because the device has those distinct advantages.

Watch battery life? Gets me through a day and a half easily. And I like to tinker with the Watch face a few times a day too. But even though it gets me into the next day, I still put it on the charger overnight and just grab it the next morning.

The Watch is bulky? Preference. I like it the size it is. Could it shave a few mm and still be sleek? Sure, but I wouldn't let that deter me from purchasing it.

It is a solid first generation product.

That being said, I see no need to upgrade my Watch even if there were another release in March/April because I have confidence in my purchase. Now, if they are going to update the MacBook and MacBook Pro lines (both with Thunderbolt 3) - you can bet your dollar I'm ordering.
 
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I think if Apple can get the AW2 to do more without needing a phone near by more people will buy it. As it is now AW needs the phone right next to it pretty much. No point in buying a smart watch if you're always going to need your phone right next to you. People will just keep using the phone.
 
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Well......do you know of anybody with 2 Apple Watch's? I don't. In fact I've never read such a thing on this forum or any other.

So while there may be some consumers who have 2 for the reason you state, I'm very confident it's an extremely low occurrence.

Yes, I've read posts from several people on this forum who have mentioned having two watches. The biggest drawback to it at the moment, is that each watch has to be completely un-paired, and the new watch re-paired which is a time consuming prospect. So there really was no incentive to someone buying a second watch, since they either found this out first hand, or assuming they asked someone in the first place were told it's not possible. So that would go along way toward explaining the paucity of owners with more than one at present. Aside from black & silver, there hasn't been as much reason for anyone to do this until the gold Sport watches, and the Hermes, came out. And now Apple is focusing on making this a reality in time for the next gen watch.

And then there's the fact that people who wear watches usually have a collection of at least a few. Since you're dealing solely in your own anectdotal history, here's one of my own -- every person I know who wears a watch has at least two. I know several women with 10 or more. One woman at work coordinates her watches with her outfits, matching them depending on whether she's wearing gold or silver accessories and jewelry. Add to that mechanical watches that must be wound, so people who own those have special winders they store their watches in, so they are ready to go when they are.

So enjoy your confidence. But based on at least one specific fact of Apple making such practice more convenient for customers, and my own annectdotal experience, you might be surprised at the reality of this.

Regardless, it is a perfectly valid way to extend the battery life of a product a person depends on (by having two), so I don't really understand your resistance to doing it, whether you or anyone else actual chose it. It's especially convenient if someone already has two watches for various reasons -- a sport watch for the gym, and a nicer stainless for work or formal ocassions. Or one gold and one silver to coordinate with outfits. Or someone wants the Hermes Watch, but wants to keep their Sport watch too for more casual ocassion. Or a Sport watch to use as a "beater" watch in conditions where it may be subjected to more abuse. These are all perfectly logical reasons for the average person to have more than one watch -- which also happen to accomodate having an always fully charged watch if the case warrants it. I know that's what I would do if I still wore a watch to the office, and may still do for formal ocassions when the new watches come out.
 
They should just hold out until apple watch version 5. Maybe then it will be worth the money it commands.
And who decides that? The people that actually own it or those sniping from the sidelines?
 
Alternatively, it could just b supply chains are getting smarter about keeping secrets..
 
Who considers the Watch a fashion item, though? Yes, Apple tried to push it that way, but I don't think the public or the fashion industry agree. As a fashion accessory, it's a fail. An ugly black blob on the wrist. Apple wanted it to be taken seriously as a fashion item, but the lackluster sales and profound lack of excitement around the product suggest they failed. It's a tech accessory and that's how the public views it.

As you point out, 8-10 million units sold in a year when you have 300+ million potential customers is weak. I'd say dismal. You'd think they could have at least reached 10% of their iPhone base. The real question is, now that the fans have theirs, can Apple even maintain 10 million units per year? I doubt it. They've done a terrible job convincing the public that they need a Watch.
Huh? The only product in Apple history that had huge initial sales was the iPad. The chart below is a little old but works to illustrate my point. iPod sales didn't take off until iTunes came to Windows. iPhone didn't really take off until the 3GS.

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Wearables are in their infancy as a category. It's not surprising that consumers are taking a wait and see approach. It's nonsense to think Watch is a failure because it hasn't sold 30 million in less than a year. It took iPhone nearly 3 years to get to 50m units and iPhone isn't an accessory like Watch is.

apple decides it.Not the people who spent 400 dollars for a heart monitor.

So basically you're calling Watch owners stupid. OK.
 
Huh? The only product in Apple history that had huge initial sales was the iPad. The chart below is a little old but works to illustrate my point. iPod sales didn't take off until iTunes came to Windows. iPhone didn't really take off until the 3GS.

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Wearables are in their infancy as a category. It's not surprising that consumers are taking a wait and see approach. It's nonsense to think Watch is a failure because it hasn't sold 30 million in less than a year. It took iPhone nearly 3 years to get to 50m units and iPhone isn't an accessory like Watch is.

seeing how you drank the cool aid and went out and bought one how do you know what every consumer is doing. You dont have a clue. show me where you got that information that it is the reason others havent bought one. I know its not my reason why I didnt buy one. It has nothing to do with wait and see. It has to do with my phone already doing what 99% of what the watch can do and do it better.
 
What's your source for this?

Looking at selling one of my watches. I've seen prices drop by quite a margin since launch.

The number of watches available for sale has also gone up sharply on many forums I frequent .

It's got the worst resale value of all the Apple products I own.

What's your source to suggest otherwise ?
 
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I'm holding off until Gen 2. Even if there are more rumours like this, I'm not buying until Gen 2.

The main reason is people's #1 complaint is the device isn't fast enough, and this is clearly the first thing they address.
This is exactly the reason and logic I am following.

I got one for Xmas with my wife. I was a sceptic and even thought deep inside when I unwrapped it, how and why I would ever use this?

Fast forward three days, I loved so many things about it. I was going to keep it but knowing the new one is round the corner I will wait. I wish I could get it right now, but whether it's March or April I will wait. If a competitor comes out sooner they could lose me on price and availability maybe.

Personally, I loved a lot of the features but I'm just not sure on a few things:
-it was a little bit too laggy in some instances, so needs to be a touch quicker.
-no videos, just photos. Sorry, this one sucks.
-no gps so I need my phone for runs... Seriously???????????

What surprised me:
-really handy to use and see a message even when driving "at a glance"
-how stylish the stainless steel with leather black band was felt really good on.
-Battery got me 3 days+
-Haptic feedback felt great.
-UI was very clean well thought out and easy to navigate.

They are a lot of fun and quite handy but the first few items above need to change for me to part with $1000. Oh and my wife is in same situation.
 
I think if Apple can get the AW2 to do more without needing a phone near by more people will buy it. As it is now AW needs the phone right next to it pretty much. No point in buying a smart watch if you're always going to need your phone right next to you. People will just keep using the phone.

I would agree with that. I kind of think Apple screwed up and let the pendulum swing too far back the other way. I recall the exact moment I stopped wearing my watch. It was shortly after I bought the iPhone 4, and a colleague mentioned to me that the kids didn't wear watches anymore, that they used their phones. I realized right then that I could not recall the last time I looked at my watch for the time. And that was the last day I wore it regularly.

Where Apple dropped the ball, is that right around the time I made that revelation, the square iPod nano was just starting to be turned into a watch by the very same kids that were ditching their watches for their phones. And the next year Apple released 17 new watch faces for it, and a thriving market of iPod nano wristbands sprung up, and made wearing the iPod as a watch cool.

So what did Apple do? A year after Steve Jobs died, they replaced the iPod nano with something that couldn't really be used as a watch anymore. Then for 3 years, Apple ignored the entire smartwatch concept choosing instead to play coy about their efforts in the field. As a result, the watch continued its slow decline as more and more people ditched them for their phones.

When Apple finally re-introduced the wearable, the fad was dead, the Watch was considerably more expensive than the iPod nano, and could only be used with the iPhone. From my perspective, the only people it immediately appeals to are those currently wearing watches. And to that extent Apple addressed some aspects of what watch people expect from a watch but not all. I think The Android smartwatches actually did a better job capturing the spirit of the watch for many previous watch owners considering a smart watch jump in that they offered a similar looking device. Apple kind of took the fun out of it, that they'd offered with the iPod nano, in part by charging so much for it, and by offering only glossy, black-faced displays. It became almost exclusively a work tool, the primary selling point of which was being able to leave your phone in your pocket or bag, and always being in touch. Yet some people don't always want to be in touch.

So, I do think that Apple, and all smart watch makers have an uphill climb trying to convince people that the wearable is the future, after doing such a thoroughly convincing job of telling most of us that the wristwatch is redundant to the cell phone. As a result, the wristwatch became less of a necessity for those who still wear them, and more of a status symbol or fashion accessory, and Apple, despite its efforts still has a long way to go to been seen primarily as either.
 
The Apple watch is a pretty lethargic piece of technology. It's bulky, doesn't have a 24x7 display, and it's got a day charge long if you're lucky. In summary it's got three fundamental problems before it becomes anything more than a toy.

Honestly I don't think it's that bulky at all. No 24x7 display doesn't bother me either. I usually get a day charge but it would be nice if it was longer
 
Nah, the Apple Watch is a gimmick for early adopters and it's second generation won't sell at all. The company is prepared for a failure and hides sales numbers under accessories. We will never know how bad follow-up sales really are, but just assume the worst. Apple had a big winning streak lately, it's about time for another failed product. Not an iphonegate or something, but an actual product which doesn't sell well. Smartwatches are the perfect product category normal people couldn't care less about.

I disagree with you on this. I think the Apple Watch will continue to sell if handled correctly. If Apple eliminates the stupid $10k + versions and focuses just on the sport and watch versions I think they can succeed. The success is going to really come from the sport versions. If Apple keeps the prices low and makes a product cycle that is around 20-24 months and maintains a band selection that continues to work with future models they will have returning customers. However, you will be 100% correct if they continue to carry so many different models and want to update the watch yearly.
 
There is nothing you can't do on AW that you can't do on the iPhone.

I can't find the location of my phone with my phone when....my phone is missing - the ability to ping that alone in one swipe and press saves me at least a valuable hour a month.

I don't get the work out rings on my phone (and I don't carry it with me everywhere to track exercise either)

I can't get my heart rate with my phone.

Now technically I can use Siri to the turn the lights on/off, turn the TV on/off, open the blinds and set home automation scenes on my phone, however its a lot more convenient to do it on the watch by just raising my arm, and it is to check certain notifications and to do multiple things with your hands full. I mean you could argue that you can do them on the phone but then I could argue that you can do everything the iPad can do with the phone (which you can, literally, there isn't a single feature missing the sole only difference is screen size) but i'd have to agree the form factor is better on an iPad than a phone for certain things, which is the situation here.

So i'm afraid you're wrong really, there's actually more the AW can do that you can't on the iPhone than an iPad can do that you can't on an iPhone.
 
Yes, I've read posts from several people on this forum who have mentioned having two watches. The biggest drawback to it at the moment, is that each watch has to be completely un-paired, and the new watch re-paired which is a time consuming prospect. So there really was no incentive to someone buying a second watch, since they either found this out first hand, or assuming they asked someone in the first place were told it's not possible. So that would go along way toward explaining the paucity of owners with more than one at present. Aside from black & silver, there hasn't been as much reason for anyone to do this until the gold Sport watches, and the Hermes, came out. And now Apple is focusing on making this a reality in time for the next gen watch.

And then there's the fact that people who wear watches usually have a collection of at least a few. Since you're dealing solely in your own anectdotal history, here's one of my own -- every person I know who wears a watch has at least two. I know several women with 10 or more. One woman at work coordinates her watches with her outfits, matching them depending on whether she's wearing gold or silver accessories and jewelry. Add to that mechanical watches that must be wound, so people who own those have special winders they store their watches in, so they are ready to go when they are.

So enjoy your confidence. But based on at least one specific fact of Apple making such practice more convenient for customers, and my own annectdotal experience, you might be surprised at the reality of this.

Regardless, it is a perfectly valid way to extend the battery life of a product a person depends on (by having two), so I don't really understand your resistance to doing it, whether you or anyone else actual chose it. It's especially convenient if someone already has two watches for various reasons -- a sport watch for the gym, and a nicer stainless for work or formal ocassions. Or one gold and one silver to coordinate with outfits. Or someone wants the Hermes Watch, but wants to keep their Sport watch too for more casual ocassion. Or a Sport watch to use as a "beater" watch in conditions where it may be subjected to more abuse. These are all perfectly logical reasons for the average person to have more than one watch -- which also happen to accomodate having an always fully charged watch if the case warrants it. I know that's what I would do if I still wore a watch to the office, and may still do for formal ocassions when the new watches come out.

People have a collection of watches because they (can) look vastly different. While I can certainly tell the difference between a Sport and SS AW I don't think the difference is quite as drastic.

There's also the obvious point that an AW looks drastically different if you simply switch out the watch band. My black Sport AW looks much nicer with a leather loop, which is what I use for suits and events. Why would I purchase a SS AW when I can easily dress up my Sport watch by simply changing the strap?

I've never read a single person on this forum or others that said they plan on purchasing 2 AW's. Not saying nobody has or will do this but I seriously don't see this as something that will be a common occurrence. Pairing a second Watch is still a time consuming event. Even if Apple makes this easier down the road, I don't see that as a indication that people will start purchasing 2 AW's at a time.
 
And here lies the inherent problem with this overpriced product. You can't release a new one every year because people already paid too much for previous models. Thus, an annual release rate will turn new and old buyers off from buying/upgrading something that's obsolete in less than 12 months or so. Watches are just too intimate to keep upgrade every year.
 
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I really saddens me that Apple thinks someone would buy a new watch every year. They've updated the Thunderbolt display with variants without calling it Thunderbolt display 2, 3, 4, etc. Why can't they do the same for the Apple Watch.

People tend to do so with iPhones, why would they behave differently with the Apple Watch....and for the iPhone this seems to work fine for Apple. The Thunderbolt display is not a fashion item like the iPhone and Watch.
 
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