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This is rather off-topic, but laser light is not polarized light. It's coherent light...

Sorry, I stand corrected and posted quickly without thinking. Of course the main point is a laser is just a form of light and not some type of mysterious ionizing radiation. Of course the same can be said of all lower frequency electromagnetic radiation like IR, microwave, WiFi, Cell, TV, ....

Ionizing radiation only happens at higher frequencies than we can see (well above violet) and not light or lower frequencies.
 
I used to lug my Macbook around in an Incase bag. I would switch which side I cared my bag because the battery caused discomfort after 15-20 minutes increasing dull ache and eventually muscle cramping.
I don't doubt you experienced what you say you experienced, but I do seriously doubt that what you say CAUSED it actually caused it, because seriously now, how exactly would a battery cause ache and muscle cramps just by being close to you?

Answer: it can't. There's no physical properties of a battery that can affect the cells of the human body such as you describe. Batteries don't even have a static electrical field, such as a charged capacitor would have for example, so it would have no effect on your person just by you carrying it close to you.

What you're experiencing is quite obviously a psychosomatic response, and you should talk to a doctor, possibly a psychiatrist to figure out what in your daily life is causing it, so that you can fix it (and live happier and with less pain.)

Stress in our daily lives is often a big factor. We humans have built a society to which we ourselves are poorly suited. It's extraordinarily silly and counter-productive, I know. We often get too little sleep, drinking coffee, maybe alcohol late in the evenings, we stay up long after dark with the help of electric lights and watch the blue flicker of the tube (well, flatscreen these days) or computer, and simply live too far north (or south) where daylight cycles don't correspond with our biological clock, which all has the effect of upsetting our melatonin cycle, causing us to feel tired and wrung out. We get up too early, work too much, quarrel with our loved ones, worry over our personal economy, eat bad food with too much fat, sugar and additives and not enough veggies, sit too much, exercise too little...

It's no wonder people feel worn out, and it can manifest in various ways.

I put the bag down and rest a few minutes, the discomfort would go away. It takes longer for that to occur with the iPad. Will that happen with the Apple Watch? Ill know when I test it in store.
It will happen if you think it will happen. That's how these sort of reactions work.

In blind studies, EM sufferers have been no more accurate at detecting EM fields from electrical devices, wifi or cell phones than they would have been at guessing the outcome of a coin flip. Chances are strong you would experience the same symptoms you do from carrying your macbook if I handed you a computer bag and told you to watch my laptop while I ran off to the loo for fifteen minutes, only to come back and then show you all that was in the bag was a coffee table book.

I realize that bluetooth is a low emitting energy, yet It still causes discomfort when I turn it on. So, I only use it when I have to. I never said that it effected my cells, re read my posts.
Well, to cause you pain, bluetooth would by its very definition have to affect our cells. What do you think pain response is? Everything in the human body comes down to chemical reactions in our cells. Everything, from basic metabolism, replicating new cells, nerve signalling, protein manufacturing, immune system response, memory formation... Down to consciousness itself. And yes, this includes the feeling of pain, ache and so on.

We can easily test that being conscious, and being alive is because of the electro-chemical interactions in our brains, and not because of some "spirit" or "soul" inhabiting us by ingesting (most often illegal) drugs that affect brain chemistry. We may see and experience things that are not there.

So for you to feel pain, something must affect either your nerves or the cells attached to them, to trigger such a pain response. We know microwaves from cellphones and wifi gear cannot do this, especially not at the tiny power level these transmitters work at - on the order of a thousandth of a common household lightbulb (which are banned from sale in many places these days I know, but it's such a common point of reference I hope you'll forgive me. ;))

I don't need to understand how my iPhone, Macbook, or iPad bluetooth works no notice the discomfort I feel when bluetooth is turned on.
Well, begging your pardon, but if you don't know these things you're just going by confirmation bias/"post hoc" fallacy, which is not going to help you. No human being is "more sensitive" to 5GHz microwaves than others, because humans aren't sensitive to these waves at all. We have no specific apparatus to receive them. Some of the energy from the transmitter is absorbed in our tissues and converts to heat (minute amounts; inverse square law is applicable here), and that is all.

If you don't experience discomfort with EMF, Bluetooth, and you are not me, how can you say what it is that I'm am experiencing?
You're not unique in having these feelings, quite a few people feel the same way. That doesn't mean your problems are caused by what you think they are, and no, that doesn't mean you're not feeling what you think you feel. But your blame is misplaced, because we have science, and we have studied these things.

I trust science, that's how we've gotten where we are right now. If household wifi for example could somehow hurt or harm (some) human beings, many of the fundamental truths which we cling to in physics would not work. But they do work. So wifi can't have these properties, it must be because of something else.

How do you know if I'm sensitive to the energy emitted from batteries?
Because batteries don't "emit energy". That's what I mean when I say that people can get irrationally suspicious about things they don't know enough about.

I find your statement offensive. You are insulting my intelligence by insinuating that "If you don't know how a thing functions, it might seem suspicious or mildly frightening to you".
Well, what can I say? "I'm sorry that you feel offended"? Too passive-aggressive, I take it back. :) No, there's nothing offensive about being ignorant about things. Nobody knows everything. I certainly don't.

Even scientists don't have a clue about everything about science, which you notice every time some guy opens his gob on the topic of how bunk global warming is on account of his Ph.D in astro-physics... :rolleyes: So there's no reason to feel offended, and my intent wasn't to offend. Just to provide context, and perspective.
 
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I don't doubt you experienced what you say you experienced, but I do seriously doubt that what you say CAUSED it actually caused it, because seriously now, how exactly would a battery cause ache and muscle cramps just by being close to you?

Answer: it can't. There's no physical properties of a battery that can affect the cells of the human body such as you describe. Batteries don't even have a static electrical field, such as a charged capacitor would have for example, so it would have no effect on your person just by you carrying it close to you.

What you're experiencing is quite obviously a psychosomatic response, and you should talk to a doctor, possibly a psychiatrist to figure out what in your daily life is causing it, so that you can fix it (and live happier and with less pain.)

Stress in our daily lives is often a big factor. We humans have built a society to which we ourselves are poorly suited. It's extraordinarily silly and counter-productive, I know. We often get too little sleep, drinking coffee, maybe alcohol late in the evenings, we stay up long after dark with the help of electric lights and watch the blue flicker of the tube (well, flatscreen these days) or computer, and simply live too far north (or south) where daylight cycles don't correspond with our biological clock, which all has the effect of upsetting our melatonin cycle, causing us to feel tired and wrung out. We get up too early, work too much, quarrel with our loved ones, worry over our personal economy, eat bad food with too much fat, sugar and additives and not enough veggies, sit too much, exercise too little...

It's no wonder people feel worn out, and it can manifest in various ways.


It will happen if you think it will happen. That's how these sort of reactions work.

In blind studies, EM sufferers have been no more accurate at detecting EM fields from electrical devices, wifi or cell phones than they would have been at guessing the outcome of a coin flip. Chances are strong you would experience the same symptoms you do from carrying your macbook if I handed you a computer bag and told you to watch my laptop while I ran off to the loo for fifteen minutes, only to come back and then show you all that was in the bag was a coffee table book.


Well, to cause you pain, bluetooth would by its very definition have to affect our cells. What do you think pain response is? Everything in the human body comes down to chemical reactions in our cells. Everything, from basic metabolism, replicating new cells, nerve signalling, protein manufacturing, immune system response, memory formation... Down to consciousness itself. And yes, this includes the feeling of pain, ache and so on.

We can easily test that being conscious, and being alive is because of the electro-chemical interactions in our brains, and not because of some "spirit" or "soul" inhabiting us by ingesting (most often illegal) drugs that affect brain chemistry. We may see and experience things that are not there.

So for you to feel pain, something must affect either your nerves or the cells attached to them, to trigger such a pain response. We know microwaves from cellphones and wifi gear cannot do this, especially not at the tiny power level these transmitters work at - on the order of a thousandth of a common household lightbulb (which are banned from sale in many places these days I know, but it's such a common point of reference I hope you'll forgive me. ;))


Well, begging your pardon, but if you don't know these things you're just going by confirmation bias/"post hoc" fallacy, which is not going to help you. No human being is "more sensitive" to 5GHz microwaves than others, because humans aren't sensitive to these waves at all. We have no specific apparatus to receive them. Some of the energy from the transmitter is absorbed in our tissues and converts to heat (minute amounts; inverse square law is applicable here), and that is all.


You're not unique in having these feelings, quite a few people feel the same way. That doesn't mean your problems are caused by what you think they are, and no, that doesn't mean you're not feeling what you think you feel. But your blame is misplaced, because we have science, and we have studied these things.

I trust science, that's how we've gotten where we are right now. If household wifi for example could somehow hurt or harm (some) human beings, many of the fundamental truths which we cling to in physics would not work. But they do work. So wifi can't have these properties, it must be because of something else.


Because batteries don't "emit energy". That's what I mean when I say that people can get irrationally suspicious about things they don't know enough about.


Well, what can I say? "I'm sorry that you feel offended"? Too passive-aggressive, I take it back. :) No, there's nothing offensive about being ignorant about things. Nobody knows everything. I certainly don't.

Even scientists don't have a clue about everything about science, which you notice every time some guy opens his gob on the topic of how bunk global warming is on account of his Ph.D in astro-physics... :rolleyes: So there's no reason to feel offended, and my intent wasn't to offend. Just to provide context, and perspective.

I think it's difficult for people to have answers to things that they are unable to conceive and understand. People can say "can't" until hell freezes over and it won't change what I and others experience. People can grasp for straws and attempt to diagnose my mental state, my state of being and it won't change what I experience. From my experiences, doctors have not been able to determine the cause, being aware of my surroundings, making adjustments controlling what I can control is my course of action. Doctors can't treat what does not fit the scientific method.

"Because people can get irrationally suspicious about things they don't know enough about". That's a good insight.

If I had'nt responded to OP I still would have had the same concerns for myself: how long can I tolorate the battery? Wifi and Bluetooth, I can use as needed in small doses, like how I use my current iDevices.

Don't worry, I don't THINK it's contagious ;)
 
Well, I can't speak to the prevalence so, I have to out myself as one who is effected by EMF and I am glad that OP brought the subject up. I have been an athlete most of my life, Football, Basketball, Baseball, Track & Field, and Triathlon. I have a pretty high tolerance to pain.

I began experiencing discomfort in 2008. My hands burn when I type on my laptop. My Incase cover helps me hold my iPad Mini. I carry my iPhone and iPad mini in my leather bag. Wifi is tolerable, bluetooth I use rarely I immediately get headaches so I do what I have to and turn it off, same with my Time Capsule, fluorescent lights are really challenging and there are other challenges.

You hit on a good point though, sensitivity to EMF for me, is like an allergic reaction, its not lethal but it is uncomfortable sometimes. So, just because you don't believe sensitivity to EMF is a real condition, or is a concern does not mean it is not real or a concern for those who experience it. Just because what I and some others experience cannot be validated by the scientific method does not qualify the discomfort experienced as craziness, hypochondria, or not a "real condition to be concerned about".

I think that you are lucky that you are not experiencing something that you cannot get relief or help for. To date, this is one of the most challenging things that I have faced in my life. The irony is, I love technology. I want an Apple Watch, but I am aware that once I test it, it my be a no go for me.

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Sorry, I don't watch TV, so...I don't know what you are referencing


He's talking about this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0HweGIHhsY

It seems its a psychological problem more then a actual pain issue from magnetic fields and radiation.
 
I think it's difficult for people to have answers to things that they are unable to conceive and understand. People can say "can't" until hell freezes over and it won't change what I and others experience. People can grasp for straws and attempt to diagnose my mental state, my state of being and it won't change what I experience. From my experiences, doctors have not been able to determine the cause, being aware of my surroundings, making adjustments controlling what I can control is my course of action. Doctors can't treat what does not fit the scientific method.

"Because people can get irrationally suspicious about things they don't know enough about". That's a good insight.

If I had'nt responded to OP I still would have had the same concerns for myself: how long can I tolorate the battery? Wifi and Bluetooth, I can use as needed in small doses, like how I use my current iDevices.

Don't worry, I don't THINK it's contagious ;)

Of course this can be tested using the scientific method. For starters, it could be used to isolate the triggers. Exposing you to a variety of what you believe are the stimuli and placebo. Similar tests have been done for acupuncture. It sounds like you don't want to be treated and are determined to have the "disability." I'd be interested to know where you live and what your surroundings are. I bet there are many sources of radiation you don't know about that should be causing pain if you are truly affected.

Comments about pain carrying something seem obvious so I'm not sure what I missed. Muscle cramping or nerve pain could simply be associated with the weight of the object. How does a battery play into it?

I do find it odd that you read / post here given the pain it must cause.

Anyway, I wish you luck and hope you open your mind to treatment someday so you can feel better about the world around you.
 
Of course this can be tested using the scientific method. For starters, it could be used to isolate the triggers. Exposing you to a variety of what you believe are the stimuli and placebo. Similar tests have been done for acupuncture. It sounds like you don't want to be treated and are determined to have the "disability." I'd be interested to know where you live and what your surroundings are. I bet there are many sources of radiation you don't know about that should be causing pain if you are truly affected.

Comments about pain carrying something seem obvious so I'm not sure what I missed. Muscle cramping or nerve pain could simply be associated with the weight of the object. How does a battery play into it?

I do find it odd that you read / post here given the pain it must cause.

Anyway, I wish you luck and hope you open your mind to treatment someday so you can feel better about the world around you.

I guess you missed my posts (more than one) that I said I tolerate what I can, I have adapted, I deal with it, I have a high tolerance from sports, I try to be aware of my surroundings. I live a "normal" life, I minimize my discomfort or I avoid it if I can, its my choice. I feel a burning sensation on my hands when I type on my laptop. So, I type for a bit, take a short brake, and go back for more. And after awhile I reach my limit I'll take a longer break.

"It sounds like you don't want to be treated and are determined to have the "disability."" Really? That's presumptuous statement. I can pretty much guarantee that you don't know me. So, how would you know what I want? or What drives me? Or for that matter, what fuels my determination? I just decided to share my first hand experience with regards to OP's post because it happened to be something that was on my mind.

I'm not labeling myself. I'm not disabled, I'm not calling it a "disability", and I'm not seeking disability. Something changed in my body, I'm aware of more things around me (my experiences with EMF and such) that many people are not aware of. I read some articles, studies, talked to doctors, and after awhile I decided that this is just a challenge and lets see what I can do. What am I supposed to do, curl up and die? That would be pretty weak minded thing to do, no?

I can't tell you why (or the cause) batteries, when close to my body, cause me discomfort. Or why I can feel some EMF (and I used the word discomfort to describe my experience more than I used pain I believe) causing the muscles in the area to tighten and cramp (a reaction to close proximity of my laptop, the iPad causes discomfort after longer duration of time and is more tolerable). I pull the battery out of my laptop, walk around with my laptop in my bag, and nothing happens. Thats pretty straight forward to me. I don't know why, its just what I am experiencing.

I'm currently in Barcelona, Spain. So I am not currently in a lot of situations that cause me discomfort. That will change probably when I head back to the States. We are bombarded with all kinds of radiations and frequencies these days. I am only speaking of MY Experiences with My iDevices and My Awareness of how they effect Me. I can choose to discard my iDevices, but I like technology. So, I choose to see how I can adapt, and how much I can tolerate. Disability does not even cross my mind. I'm curious to see if I can extend that to a wearable device. I'll test the Apple Watch, and if its a no go, no biggie.

I have talked to Doctors about the situation, none have offered to do a study/test with the varying electronics that I have a reaction with. They want me to take drugs, I'm active, athletic, healthy, and I'm not one for medications, not even aspirin for a headache.

No luck needed, because I'm not down on my luck. I consider myself lucky, that I'm healthy.
 
I guess you missed my posts (more than one) that I said I tolerate what I can, I have adapted, I deal with it, I have a high tolerance from sports, I try to be aware of my surroundings. I live a "normal" life, I minimize my discomfort or I avoid it if I can, its my choice. I feel a burning sensation on my hands when I type on my laptop. So, I type for a bit, take a short brake, and go back for more. And after awhile I reach my limit I'll take a longer break.

"It sounds like you don't want to be treated and are determined to have the "disability."" Really? That's presumptuous statement. I can pretty much guarantee that you don't know me. So, how would you know what I want? or What drives me? Or for that matter, what fuels my determination? I just decided to share my first hand experience with regards to OP's post because it happened to be something that was on my mind.

I'm not labeling myself. I'm not disabled, I'm not calling it a "disability", and I'm not seeking disability. Something changed in my body, I'm aware of more things around me (my experiences with EMF and such) that many people are not aware of. I read some articles, studies, talked to doctors, and after awhile I decided that this is just a challenge and lets see what I can do. What am I supposed to do, curl up and die? That would be pretty weak minded thing to do, no?

I can't tell you why (or the cause) batteries, when close to my body, cause me discomfort. Or why I can feel some EMF (and I used the word discomfort to describe my experience more than I used pain I believe) causing the muscles in the area to tighten and cramp (a reaction to close proximity of my laptop, the iPad causes discomfort after longer duration of time and is more tolerable). I pull the battery out of my laptop, walk around with my laptop in my bag, and nothing happens. Thats pretty straight forward to me. I don't know why, its just what I am experiencing.

I'm currently in Barcelona, Spain. So I am not currently in a lot of situations that cause me discomfort. That will change probably when I head back to the States. We are bombarded with all kinds of radiations and frequencies these days. I am only speaking of MY Experiences with My iDevices and My Awareness of how they effect Me. I can choose to discard my iDevices, but I like technology. So, I choose to see how I can adapt, and how much I can tolerate. Disability does not even cross my mind. I'm curious to see if I can extend that to a wearable device. I'll test the Apple Watch, and if its a no go, no biggie.

I have talked to Doctors about the situation, none have offered to do a study/test with the varying electronics that I have a reaction with. They want me to take drugs, I'm active, athletic, healthy, and I'm not one for medications, not even aspirin for a headache.

No luck needed, because I'm not down on my luck. I consider myself lucky, that I'm healthy.


I'm not saying whether what you experience is 'real' or not but you seem to have ignored multiple questions.

Have you ever simply tried a blind test? Having a real laptop in a case and then a case with a heavy book or some other object that is the same weight as your laptop? See which one causes pain? Try multiple times. You could simply get a friend / family member to do this with you.
 
While healthy to educate ones self, the article you linked to is basically an ad for the authors new book coming out...

A self healing book.

I do find it strange that the people I've ever come across as "having radiation issues" are all very involved in alternative healing and such a lifestyle..

Thanks for the replies. There have been some folks suggesting that WIfi among other nonionizing radiation does affect us. Here's one link:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/09/21/cell-phone-wifi-radiation.aspx

I'm trying to avoid the extremes of wishful thinking and unjustified fear, hence the discussion.
 
Thanks for the replies. There have been some folks suggesting that WIfi among other nonionizing radiation does affect us. Here's one link:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/09/21/cell-phone-wifi-radiation.aspx

I'm trying to avoid the extremes of wishful thinking and unjustified fear, hence the discussion.

I did a quick search on this Dr. Mercola, whose site that link leads to, and found that he is basically a snake oil salesman. I would be extremely skeptical of anything you find there.
 
Thanks for the replies. There have been some folks suggesting that WIfi among other nonionizing radiation does affect us.
Do you happen to know of any properly vetted, peer-reviewed scientific studies on the subject that indicate this is the case?

Cranks with axes to grind and charlatans looking for people to rip off are pretty much all you find on this subject, because that's all there is to find.
 
I'm not saying whether what you experience is 'real' or not but you seem to have ignored multiple questions.

Have you ever simply tried a blind test? Having a real laptop in a case and then a case with a heavy book or some other object that is the same weight as your laptop? See which one causes pain? Try multiple times. You could simply get a friend / family member to do this with you.

"I'm not saying whether what you experience is "real" or not but you seem to have ignored multiple questions". Guess what? The same could be said of you regarding ignoring multiple questions. So now what? :D:cool::rolleyes::D

As my favorite college professor used to say "once more, with vigor!"

"I have talked to doctors about the situation, none have offered to do a study/test with the vairying electronics that I have a reaction with"

I already know what effects me. How would a blind test help me with what I am experiencing? That seems a little redundant. I interact with my iDevices daily There is no need for me to prove anything to you or anyone else. Wheather you believe it or not, no amount of tests/questions will change what I am experiencing. I understand that. its okay if you are unable to comprehend the experience/situation.…
 
"I'm not saying whether what you experience is "real" or not but you seem to have ignored multiple questions". Guess what? The same could be said of you regarding ignoring multiple questions. So now what? :D:cool::rolleyes::D



As my favorite college professor used to say "once more, with vigor!"



"I have talked to doctors about the situation, none have offered to do a study/test with the vairying electronics that I have a reaction with"



I already know what effects me. How would a blind test help me with what I am experiencing? That seems a little redundant. I interact with my iDevices daily There is no need for me to prove anything to you or anyone else. Wheather you believe it or not, no amount of tests/questions will change what I am experiencing. I understand that. its okay if you are unable to comprehend the experience/situation.…


Well if your so reluctant to do the test, how do you know if it's not in your head?

I suffer / used to suffer from health anxiety. If I had a strange feeling in my head for example, I would worry, and that worry would then cause headaches that went on for a long time (years) until I finally accepted it was just me making it worse. Once I accepted this, they pretty much went away apart from the odd headache.

I would would suggest you give it a try. Just because your doctor is not willing to doesn't mean that you shouldn't. You may be surprised with the results. You may not, but definitely worth it, if not to just throw it back in my face.
 
not to bring up a real old topic but...does anyone know the EMF readings of the Watch? We have a lame assignment and we are comparing all EMF devices for a science class. We have most readings from laptops, etc., but could not find anything on the watch itself.
 
We all know we should keep our phones a certain distance from our bodies due to the radiation from WiFi, Bluetooth, and Cellular network connectivity.

Anyone have any idea regarding how high the SAR would be on the Apple Watch? And whether there should be any concern over the health risks of having such a device on your wrist almost all the time?
This has come up before and the risk of concern is ridiculous. How many people stuff their phone in the pants - front and back pockets. Until you start reading about people getting cancer on their butt or men becoming sterile, the watch is no concern beyond a rash from sweat. :)
 
Well, I can't speak to the prevalence so, I have to out myself as one who is effected by EMF and I am glad that OP brought the subject up. I have been an athlete most of my life, Football, Basketball, Baseball, Track & Field, and Triathlon. I have a pretty high tolerance to pain.

I began experiencing discomfort in 2008. My hands burn when I type on my laptop. My Incase cover helps me hold my iPad Mini. I carry my iPhone and iPad mini in my leather bag. Wifi is tolerable, bluetooth I use rarely I immediately get headaches so I do what I have to and turn it off, same with my Time Capsule, fluorescent lights are really challenging and there are other challenges.

You hit on a good point though, sensitivity to EMF for me, is like an allergic reaction, its not lethal but it is uncomfortable sometimes. So, just because you don't believe sensitivity to EMF is a real condition, or is a concern does not mean it is not real or a concern for those who experience it. Just because what I and some others experience cannot be validated by the scientific method does not qualify the discomfort experienced as craziness, hypochondria, or not a "real condition to be concerned about".

I think that you are lucky that you are not experiencing something that you cannot get relief or help for. To date, this is one of the most challenging things that I have faced in my life. The irony is, I love technology. I want an Apple Watch, but I am aware that once I test it, it my be a no go for me.

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Sorry, I don't watch TV, so...I don't know what you are referencing

There are Plenty! people who feel the EMF's from tech. I have the iPad Pro which I love, but in order to counteract the pain in my knuckles and burning in my fingers, I bought a grounding bracelet, which does help, don't even understand the science behind it but it was recommended and it works.
Still I will try work on the iPad with the airplay on as much as possible. I get pain from my iphone 6 as well. We all have yet to become aware of the scale of slowly radiating ourslelves with tech, but in years to come, it will start to become apparent, regardless of Apples attempts to hide the truth or shed misinformation, which is a real pity for them. I love Apple I hasten to add, but they need to come out of the closet and address these concerns now,: it's another way they can be a leader in this field. Will it cost them sales? Well, we can't live without this stuff, so it will simply make people decide which company they want to get poisoned by. I choose Apple.

The twits and trolls who laugh this stuff off, or writers paid to scoff and deal misinformation have yet to get burnt or have someone close to them prove it's been a slow process. We are the ones feeling it first is the problem.
 
.... I bought a grounding bracelet, which does help, don't even understand the science behind it but it was recommended and it works.....
First you are quoting and bumping a nearly 2 year old thread. You should note this when bring up an old thread.

Second the 'science' behind your cure is actually well understood. It is called placebo effect and it works by invoking a known powerful force, belief.
 
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There are some individuals who can feel or experience a little bit more (EMF) than other individuals and their discomfort is real. Some electrified devices may emit a stronger electromagnetic frequency than others. There are FCE regulations that set a standard for all electronic devices and appliances(?). Unfortunately, some individuals still have discomfort that may exceed their tolerance for pain.

The WHO (World Health Organization) has been researching this for quite awhile now. Although there are no concrete scientific methods for diagnosis and or treatment at this time, studies are ongoing.

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs296/en/

Your link does not confirm the existence of electromagnetic hypersensitivity. It pretty much dismisses it and comments that 'sufferers' sometimes have psychological problems.

Studies on EHS individuals
A number of studies have been conducted where EHS individuals were exposed to EMF similar to those that they attributed to the cause of their symptoms. The aim was to elicit symptoms under controlled laboratory conditions.

The majority of studies indicate that EHS individuals cannot detect EMF exposure any more accurately than non-EHS individuals. Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure.

It has been suggested that symptoms experienced by some EHS individuals might arise from environmental factors unrelated to EMF. Examples may include “flicker” from fluorescent lights, glare and other visual problems with VDUs, and poor ergonomic design of computer workstations. Other factors that may play a role include poor indoor air quality or stress in the workplace or living environment.

There are also some indications that these symptoms may be due to pre-existing psychiatric conditions as well as stress reactions as a result of worrying about EMF health effects, rather than the EMF exposure itself.
 
Your link does not confirm the existence of electromagnetic hypersensitivity. It pretty much dismisses it and comments that 'sufferers' sometimes have psychological problems.
The user (User*09) you are quoting has NOT been on this forum in almost 2 years (1 year 31 weeks). Please check before quoting old posts.
 
The user (User*09) you are quoting has NOT been on this forum in almost 2 years (1 year 31 weeks). Please check before quoting old posts.

Sure, but other people could still read the thread. I note you have made a recent comment to add more information too. Is there currently a Macrumors rule about replying to old threads I might have missed? Or are you a Macrumors representative and is this new policy?
 
Sure, but other people could still read the thread. I note you have made a recent comment to add more information too. Is there currently a Macrumors rule about replying to old threads I might have missed? Or are you a Macrumors representative and is this new policy?
Not at all but you quoted and then spoke directly to User*09 even though they have not been on MacRumors. The only reason I replied was because Dogzbollox1 revived the thread and to let them know it is an old thread.;) For some reason newbies are often posting to legacy threads.o_O
 
Good link. It's interesting to note that the Apple Watch SAR is 4 W/kg in the current number (against the wrist), rather than 1.6 as I recall was posted earlier in this thread (and over a year ago.)
 
WHY???? Because you read it in some alarmist click bait article. News Flash: All Electromagnetic Radiation (including all light) puts out radiation because it is radiation. This is why it is in the name.
[doublepost=1488122709][/doublepost]Replying to an old thread. Been told to mention that by Julian.
Julian your replies to this thread remind me of my oldest kid who, when caught making his younger sibling cry by giving him a smack, would insist that there was no way he hurt his brother because " I just did this." And demonstrate some harmless action. Point is, he's not the one that experienced the smack. If you're not getting any adverse reaction when handling phones and other tech, good for you mate! But don't tell others that what they're feeling is all in their head. You don't know what they're feeling do you? I can tell you I would get various pains when using my iPad Pro, like joint pain in a particular finger which goes away when I A. stop or when I B. use a grounding device. Also, bought a shield case for my iPhone because I would often start to get a slight throbbing pain in my temple when talking on it. Obviously some people are simply more sensitive to whatever these devices are giving off than others. End of story.
 
Am I the only one who'll suggest that the magnets inside the back of the AW might be able to offset the radiation concerns and, instead, enhance one's energy, restore one's chi, and various other solutions of homeopathic quackery?
 
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