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I suspect that the 2007 Apple customer base had a higher proportion of "hipsters" than the 2015 Apple customer base, which enjoys a higher share of the mainstream market.

In which case, Wristly's findings are an even stronger endorsement of Apple Watch than the 2007 research findings regarding iPhone.

Yup. ;)
 
Is there any reason Apple couldn't decide to announce Apple Watch numbers at any point? Does the fact that they had said they'd just be grouping it in with Other mean that they can't decide to change their mind and announce them separately? (Not sure if there's some public trading rules that would prohibit it or something.)

There isn't any reason why they couldn't release the numbers. They do for iPhones, iPads and macs. They used to release numbers for the iPod. You could bet if I were selling something so fast that I couldn't keep up with demand, I would certainly let investors know how many I sold. The iPad was the "mother of all backlogs" but they let you know how many were sold along with the promise to try and make more, faster.
 
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This makes sense. People who buy this are not looking for functionality, because it has little or none of that, but it has "social" currency (essentially pretentiousness) and in that sense the watch is delivering in spades.

Of course there's nothing wrong with that, unless you bill yourself as a technology company, but it seems Apple has well and truly moved on from that.
 
So basically when you talk to people who aren't techies and designers in the Bay Area you get a different opinion. My guess is Apple cares more about what the average consumer thinks than San Francisco designers working with Fitbit. Or Facebook, which took 18 months to make a universal version of their iOS app and still doesn't suport continuity or native share sheets with iOS 8.

The average consumer doesn't own an Apple Watch because they know it's a useless, overpriced turd.
 
I have an irrational attachment to the watch. I was an early naysayer but one day I just wanted one so I ended up buying one for me and one for my girlfriend. I have to say that it's been a indispensable tool. Inappropriate doodles notwithstanding, I've found it more functional than any computer I've owned in the sense that the form factor demands quicker and simpler interactions. I noticed I'm working differently. I'm not so glued to my iPhone or iPad. Continuity has been a life and time saver.

And the activity tracking is a great boon. Lost 15 pounds myself and after losing 100 pounds initially, my girlfriend has struggled with the last 30 or so pounds but the watch has her determined to finish her goal: 10 pounds lost since getting her watch. So count us in the very satisfied group.

I don't understand the love for the activity tracking and all these success stories of people losing all this weight due to the Apple Watch and it's progress meters. How is that any different from the other zillion activity trackers and smart watches other than being an apple thing? It seems like the Apple Watch is getting a lot of credit and love for doing so little. Looks like forcing a justification for it has had unintended positive consequences.

"I bought a gadget, so I started using the crap out of it to justify my purchase. That led to a discussion regarding said gadget which repaired my relationship with my estranged father. Said gadget gets my highest recommendations. "
 
Critical thinking or flaming, I think you have them confused. Now before I get some trolling, I will explain my basic assumptions.

I believe he used a literary device called a hyperbole, and was not literally upset with the apple watch when it landed on the mat. This is because if he was dissatisfied with the Watch as soon as it landed on his doormat, that would mean he had not had the chance to open the box. Moreover, if he experienced any dissatisfaction at the moment the boxed landed on this door mat, the dissatisfaction should be directed at box, and not the contains in the box. I believe he opened the door, opened the box, used it, and then shortly after sold the device. This last leap was made because he alludes to dissatisfaction as he is posting against the accuracy of a survey.

Anyways, If he was a scalper and one of those flippers, by all means count me for some scolding! You may trump me with this survey, but using critical thinking and applying my basic understanding of literary techniques, I am open to the fact he may be one of those not satisfied with an Apple product.

There, I SAID IT. An Apple Fan boy MIGHT not be happy with an Apple product..... I guess I should be executed for such treason.....

And having used the Apple Watch, I decided it was not for me at this time as many others have expressed on this site. I am excited for wearables and see lots of potential, and am excited for future generations.

TLDR, but I think a lot of people put theirs up for sale the second they got them, whilst you could still command top dollar.
I assume the op is in this group because HE CLEARLY SAID THAT HE WAS. I could try to draw other conclusions, but it seems silly to.
 
Why do people keep looking at every new piece of data like it tells the whole story?

So far, people seem reasonably satisfied with their watches. I'm glad people are happy.

Maybe this means Apple is on the right track. Maybe there will be an enormous reversal in opinion after everyone's new toy is less shiny. Personally, I think it's too early, with too little data, to declare definitive success, and I think this specific report is too positive to declare definitive failure-- so I add this to the cloud of information in my head and let it settle to a new equilibrium.

Let's check back in a quarter or so and see if there's movement.
 
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So basically when you talk to people who aren't techies and designers in the Bay Area you get a different opinion. My guess is Apple cares more about what the average consumer thinks than San Francisco designers working with Fitbit. Or Facebook, which took 18 months to make a universal version of their iOS app and still doesn't suport continuity or native share sheets with iOS 8.
So your argument is that the Apple watch is great because "techies and designers in the Bay Area" are idiots, although those same "techies and designers in the Bay Area" are the ones who designed it?

Sounds legit.
 
Why is it so impossible for people to believe that a very well design, very well built, and well liked product could also be a flop?

As I typed that, I was reminded of the Sega Dreamcast. It had better graphics than any other game console out at the time. It was the first game console with a built-in modem for online multiplayer. Not to mention dozens of other innovations. Everyone that had one absolutely loved it. Yet, it is considered a huge flop.

Maybe the pricing isn't quite right. Maybe some of the functionality is released too soon - there is a "right time" for new features to really flourish. Maybe the product is amazing, but it is a solution in search of a problem.

Sometimes great products flop. It's not impossible.
That's a nice explanation, but somehow you haven't convinced me the AppleWatch is a flop. I believe with time, and with coming improvements in future versions, it will take off in a big way.
 
Um, like I said, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with owning the original iPod. Where are you getting the false information that it did? The original iPod synced wit Musicmatch on PC.

EDIT:
I case anyone thinks I'm remembering wrong, here's a pic and description of it. I had the 5gb one and was a bit jealous when they released the larger capacity ones. I also had the scrolling wheel, which Apple changed in the next generation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Classic#1st_generation

Here's a link from Apple themselves.
https://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/
Highlight:
2002 July
"Apple introduces the second generation iPod, compatible with Windows and holding up to 4,000 songs"
Also, from the wiki you linked but did NOT read: "Notably, the second-generation iPods and the updated first-generation iPod were now Windows-compatible"
 
I don't understand the love for the activity tracking and all these success stories of people losing all this weight due to the Apple Watch and it's progress meters. How is that any different from the other zillion activity trackers and smart watches other than being an apple thing? It seems like the Apple Watch is getting a lot of credit and love for doing so little. Looks like forcing a justification for it has had unintended positive consequences.

"I bought a gadget, so I started using the crap out of it to justify my purchase. That led to a discussion regarding said gadget which repaired my relationship with my estranged father. Said gadget gets my highest recommendations. "

One difference is I personally have no interest in buying and wearing other activity trackers or smartwatches. The Apple Watch interested me as a package of technologies. So no forced justification on my part, I assure you. I use it as intended and I've found it very useful for my day-to-day life.
 
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What a load of garbage. This so-called "satisfaction" rating is based on people who have never seen or used a swiss made mechanical watch and cannot determine the difference between an accessory and a primary device. It's an overpriced gimmick which cannot do much on its own. People are so caught up with marketing and hype.
 
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Seeing as you're too lazy to just go look up what my point was, or think back to earlier today when you replied to it...

The survey simply shows that Apple managed people's expectations well, nothing more. People who bought it knew exactly what they were getting, and are therefore are satisfied with it. People who wouldn't be satisfied with (for example) a battery that lasts days instead of years didn't buy it, and are therefore not showing up as 'dissatisfied' in the survey.

You seem to be saying that Apple doing this is a bad thing.
 
I did provide that link, and an excerpt from that interview, in the same post you quoted and bolded.

According to the story, ideas about what a watch could offer people were being discussed in 2011, right after Job's death, in the Design Studio, and before the Watch as a project was launched.

"As the team worked away on app-launch animations and the new iOS 7 Control Center, daytime conversations about smartphone software led to late-night discussions about other devices. Questions started coalescing around the idea of a watch: What could it add to people’s lives?"

This speaks to seeing and sussing out the utility of a potential watch *before* it was designed, and before Lynch was hired as program manager in 2013.
 
I'm surprised so few people mentioned Apple Pay. I use it about 5 days a week; its on both of my grocery stores and on Peets.

I also use continuity on phone calls, specially at home when I'm around the house and my phone is somewhere else.

Besides that I use the Notifications/Glances on a regular basis, the timer and the workout (it has rowing machine mode, which is nice). I like maps for quick checks when driving. And I like the watch itself.

I agree 100% that we need WatchOS 2, but the device is quite useful. And pretty (I have the SS / sport) as a watch. I also wished that more of its sensors were active, I assume its because of FDA regulations

The battery life is not an issue; I didn't go to sleep with a watch when I used to wear them. It would be nice to have an option for health tracking while sleeping but it needs to be very unintrusive. I wore a MS Band for a few months and it was annoying; it would have to be thinner than that for me to wear it every night.

A separate question is whether I would have bought the watch if I was not in the Dev space. I'd probably have waited a bit, but that is a matter of personal approach to expenses / disposable income. As it happened, I was happy I could justify to myself to buy the watch as "I need it for work".
 
God people on this site are so intensely one sided, one way or the other, about he Apple Watch. More so than I have seen about any other Apple product.

I have been cool on it since launch but recently my desire to get one has been rising a lot.

I put this down to my expectations now being more realistic, but mainly, I got a big tax return and now buying one won't make much of a dent on my bank balance.

Ie. It's mostly about the price.

At $200 suddenly this thing becomes a lot more justifiable and "satisfying" to a lot more people.

And given what it does, that is frankly the price it should be, I really don't think apple should stick at this price point long term. For an early adopter fee it's ok but mass market isn't going to pay $500 for a tiny notification screen on their wrist. At $200 though? Hell yeah.

The comments on the watch have been overwealming negative prior to launch, massively negative even. But, hey, whatever... There are archives to prove this point btw if your care to peruse.

There is NO WAY they'll sell it for $200 anytime soon, if ever.

Considering its already satisfying to 95%+ people, I'm not even sure what your point is!
Maybe building a nice big straw man?
 
I don't understand the love for the activity tracking and all these success stories of people losing all this weight due to the Apple Watch and it's progress meters. How is that any different from the other zillion activity trackers and smart watches other than being an apple thing? It seems like the Apple Watch is getting a lot of credit and love for doing so little. Looks like forcing a justification for it has had unintended positive consequences.

"I bought a gadget, so I started using the crap out of it to justify my purchase. That led to a discussion regarding said gadget which repaired my relationship with my estranged father. Said gadget gets my highest recommendations. "

I agree. Anybody remotely serious about fitness didn't need an Apple Watch to inspire them or keep them on track.

And the few who may have lost a few lbs will gain them back when the novelty of the device wears off.
 
Critical thinking or flaming, I think you have them confused. Now before I get some trolling, I will explain my basic assumptions.

I believe he used a literary device called a hyperbole, and was not literally upset with the apple watch when it landed on the mat. This is because if he was dissatisfied with the Watch as soon as it landed on his doormat, that would mean he had not had the chance to open the box. Moreover, if he experienced any dissatisfaction at the moment the boxed landed on this door mat, the dissatisfaction should be directed at box, and not the contains in the box. I believe he opened the door, opened the box, used it, and then shortly after sold the device. This last leap was made because he alludes to dissatisfaction as he is posting against the accuracy of a survey.

Anyways, If he was a scalper and one of those flippers, by all means count me for some scolding! You may trump me with this survey, but using critical thinking and applying my basic understanding of literary techniques, I am open to the fact he may be one of those not satisfied with an Apple product.

There, I SAID IT. An Apple Fan boy MIGHT not be happy with an Apple product..... I guess I should be executed for such treason.....

And having used the Apple Watch, I decided it was not for me at this time as many others have expressed on this site. I am excited for wearables and see lots of potential, and am excited for future generations.

Someone who likes Apple a lot would not use "fanboy" even ironically, because of its massively negative button pushing connotation. Should I read all those 160 posts in 10 years to see if indeed any of them is "very satisfied" with an Apple product. Because for this "execution for treason" to be credible, this precondition must off course exist. Or is this Apple loving persona also a fictitious literary device?
 
"But who would want a device that tethers to a phone"
"But who wants a watch?"
"But it sells nothing compared to the iPhone and everything has to sell as much as the iPhone or its a waste of time"
"But I don't like it so I want it bizarrely fail and Apple to stop making it so that I can gloat in how right I was about it being rubbish on Mac Rumors message boards"

etc etc

(see post below me....whats wrong with people?)

It's a niche product. It may be the best iteration of a smart watch but it's a niche product none the less. Making it only work with a specific phone brand, and a specific subset of said phone brand makes it even more a niche product.

I used to wear a watch because, well, there was no other option and needing to know the time is important most of the time. Companies started issuing pagers and watches became less necessary. Then portable phones became cost effective and the one thing they all had on them was the time, and a phone.

You mostly need to know the time, all of the time. Having a phone is only necessary if there's an emergency, but it's nice for other things. If you have a recent phone, you don't need a watch. It's duplicity of needs. I'm sure Apple knew this which is why it's a "fashion" device.

While there is some irrational thought from people who always want an Apple product to fail, there is also a group of irrational people who defend Apple under any circumstance. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

Bottom line is however, it's not going to sell in the magnitude of the iPhone because it's a completely unnessesary device in the greater scheme. If anyone else besides Apple released it, it would barely get a mention by now.

That said, I'm impressed with the apparent sales so far.
 
But have you actually used one, or you just read "glaring reports" to make assumptions?

No, you can read reviews from other people who own the product. Read Professional reviews from beople who have been given the product for free from the companies that make them. Listen to people you know that already own the product and get their opinion. Lastly, try before you buy. On that last one, because of how it works it's unlikely someone will let you try it to read all THEIR messages and see their health data to see just how well it works.

Most people don't buy something blindly, and if you do look for sources as I mentioned above, you will definitely find the issues the previous poster mentioned. Even though I generally do not agree with Benjamin on most of his posts.
 
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What message board are you reading? Most people on this site exist just to hate Apple.

I've seen very little hate on this site, but I have seen a few. Just some people with different views mostly. However, if you want a pure Apple positive reaction just go to AI. A poll from that site would be a 99% positive, if not, the camped out 24hr Apple rabid posters will lamb baste you.
 
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I'm not sure that's true either. I don't recall my Dell desktop having FireWire... Either way, a Mac was neither required nor "effectively" required to use the first iPod.

I think you are mistaking "The First" iPod with "Your first iPod". The first one needed a mac originally. You know, back in 2001. Only 8 months after iTunes was released for the Mac....
 
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