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Ok, you've had your fun but stop it now or I'll start deleting posts.

Please bring the discussion back on-topic.
While we are being cynical and having some fun. We are discussing what market share , which in this case is 75% means in the overall scheme of things where the wearables are concerned.

Is wearables a viable market segment after all these years ?

Both me and danger liked each other's responces, mutual respect.

I will not post on his thread again.
 
You're right. Sometimes I forget that people have not kept up with basic explanations that have been made dozens of times here over the years.



It is a legal requirement that Apple has bound itself to in its SEC 10-K filings. This has been explained many times before, so you're not the first to be unaware of it.

You can search for "sales shipments sec" in the forums, or simply read this post I made on the topic a while back.



Now who's being disingenuous :)

If you didn't understand something that basic, then the polite thing to do is ASK, not assume and attack.

But I admire your wordmanship nonetheless, just as I can technically admire the way that Apple so often meticulously phrases things in very clever - though yes, also very deceptive - ways.

(My favorite recent example: Apple claiming its watch case is thinner than it really is, by only citing the "case thickness" and ignoring the crystal and sensor sections above and below the metal part, a measurement that other watchmakers do not fail to include.)

Dude, your motives are always quite clear and your tone pretentious and smug.
 
Wearables are still a flop. Spin the number and profit margins etc, wearables as a whole have failed to go mainstream.

So, everything that doesn't go mainstream is a flop? I'm beginning to understand the inflationary use of that word.

Apple certainly has a lot of flops in their current portfolio. So do many other makers of premium goods, and they couldn't be happier about it.
 
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Wearables are still a flop. Spin the number and profit margins etc, wearables as a whole have failed to go mainstream. Heck more people own 3d TVs and that was a flop. Those numbers for s mainstream product are pathetic. Sure it's profitable, but nothing like a smartphone .

I guess by that logic, we all should be listening to Taylor Swift. Because everyone else is a flop if you just look at it that way.
 
And the stock is down.

that is almost funny. is it still higher now than it was before the watch launch?? hmmmm i'm pretty sure it is. is apple's market cap still high enough to make it the most valuable company? also a yes. so i don't understand you're argument. this is a time of year when apple hasn't released anything big since the watch almost 5 months ago? i'm betting when iPhone 6s comes out in 2 months the stock will go up again. AND it's not like it's down 50% 0r even 10%!!!
 
I guess by that logic, we all should be listening to Taylor Swift. Because everyone else is a flop if you just look at it that way.

i don't know the exact numbers of taylor swift's 1989 (around 5 million) and it has been out twice as long as the watch, and costs $10 compared to $350+ so really is taylor swift's 1989 really a success compared to the watch?? i mean these guys calling close to 4 million watches in 2 quarters a flop, i guess would call 5 million purchases of 1989 in a year a flop too. so taylor swift must also not be catching on and also a flop?? lol
 
that is almost funny. is it still higher now than it was before the watch launch?? hmmmm i'm pretty sure it is. is apple's market cap still high enough to make it the most valuable company? also a yes. so i don't understand you're argument. this is a time of year when apple hasn't released anything big since the watch almost 5 months ago? i'm betting when iPhone 6s comes out in 2 months the stock will go up again. AND it's not like it's down 50% 0r even 10%!!!
Actually if I recall correctly stock tends to go down when a new iPhone is announced, and I could never figure out why.
 
I still wear a watch, but all my 20 something friends tell me no one wears a watch anymore except 40+ year old people. Is Apple going to put a watch on all these young people at the price they are asking? I guess we will find out in the next year or two. I'd love to see the age groups buying the majority of these Apple watches.
I would love to buy the $1099 space black watch but I just can't press the buy button. To me it just doesn't make good financial sense to buy any of these watches.

I had no problem buying my 2015 15" i7 MBP two months ago but that was a device that I will use for several years and will get plenty of updates.

I see people wearing watches at my job all the time and NONE of them are smart watches. They are the usual digital kind. I don't even wear my Samsung Gear S watch anymore that I bough in February.
 
I bought the watch and I lost about 5 pounds since owning it.

No really.

The activity center made me work out. Mostly because it was pathetic when it asked if I wanted to "lower my daily calorie goal" after the first week.
 
The apple watch is for people with time on their hands.

No, the Apple Watch is for people busy living life in the real world who want to know what they need to know without constantly looking at their phones. If you had one, you'd know that.
 
No, the Apple Watch is for people busy living life in the real world who want to know what they need to know without constantly looking at their phones. If you had one, you'd know that.
Lmao so your going to constantly look at your watch?
 
It sort of makes you wonder if the watch will suffer a similar fate as the iPad and people will hold onto older watches and keep using them instead of upgrading to the newest version like the iPhone.

Apple really needs to find a way to get people to upgrade iPads and watches like they do iPhones. We are told on these forums that most Apple customers are in a higher socioeconomic class and have plenty of disposable income so if that's the case Apple needs to find a way to motivate the majority of their customers to keep updating to the newest models.

OR Apple could decide to just update every two years instead of every year, and concentrate their resources on releasing fully developed software so we don't get launches like Apple Music and Apple Maps and the iOS and OSX software is more efficient and bug-free. And of course they can spend time sorting and building the next big product.
 
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Lmao so your going to constantly look at your watch?

No, that's the point. I glance at my watch when I need to know the time, or when it tells me I need to glance at it for info. A fraction of a second here and there is not exactly my definition of "constant." But again, if you had one, you'd know that.
 
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If the numbers were incredibly strong, we would all know the numbers. The numbers are being hidden because Apple is afraid of what the number will do to their stock price, even though the stock price is still down because the market is reacting to the perception that Apple is hiding the sales numbers because the number is a poor one. You would think that if the number wasn't a poor one, then Apple would release the number, otherwise they are basically hurting their own stock price unnecessarily.

It would also be very interesting to know when exactly the orders for each specific watch was placed. Is Apple counting a sale as occurring when the credit card was charged? In that case, so many orders that originally were purchased back in April were not counted as sales until the product shipped, be it May or June. I think it's very likely that orders of the watch itself, actually clicking the order button online, may tell a different tale in regards to how the watch has performed since its launch.

In the end, the Watch so far seems to have performed really how everyone thought that it would, including Apple itself, which decided to try and get out in front of it by placing it in the "other" category in case sales weren't so strong. If sales were stronger then expected, then no big deal, they could make it it's own group later on. Seems to me that Apple seems to be banking on the holiday season to rescue the product from the inevitable crash landing that is occurring/occurred already. Perhaps the iPhone 6S launch may help the product as well, but who out there who hasn't already purchased this thing will be ready to drop upwards of 500 dollars, in some cases, most likely more, and purchase a new phone and watch at the same time? I think that group is a small one. Seems to me that Apple thought it could get away with labeling this more in the "hobby" category, like the Apple TV, until the product had a chance to take off in the future when the tech became more mature. Which is a fine approach I suppose, but then don't make a such a huge fuss over the product, labeling it the next big thing, and try to manipulate some in your customer base by putting the watch on celebrities, artificially restricting supply (even by Apple standards), and overcharging to a rather insane degree on additional bands in order to just add more to the bottom line.

Frankly, the whole product has been rather off-putting and something that I would expect from a gigantic multi-national corporation.. Except Apple has always tried to distance itself from such conduct. It's always been about being "different" than the rest. Sorry, that was a rant and a half.

That was a truly exceptional post.

You get to the nub of the matter. I couldn't put it better myself.
 
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This is where apple shines, they get the design and usability nailed.

My only gripe, having owned the larger AW, it was still too small for me, I wish they offered even a larger size.
You're not the only person I've heard express that wish. It certainly isn't unreasonable to hope and request that Apple consider adding a third size to the lineup down the road. The 38 mm is definitely as large as I can go but there are plenty of people who currently wear the 42mm who could go up another size and get additional screen real estate that they would appreciate and a better fit for their wrist.
 
Is couple of billion dollars of turnover in 1 quarter, and higher 1st quarter sales than the iPhone 1 enough for people to stop saying it's a flop?
Probably not, but people are generally unconcerned by facts or the glaringly obvious. I am surprised by the numbers of people that are able to combine letters and some words together though, even though they are mostly incomprehensible.
 
Perhaps someone else already brought this up as I'll admit to not having read the entire thread, but are Apple and other smartwatch makers even in the same market? Samsung watches are only compatible with android and the apple watch only works with the iPhone, so how do they even compete with each other, 90% or more of their potential customers don't overlap.

It doesn't seem like the numbers can tell you much other than that the apple watch was new so everyone who wanted a smartwatch but had an iPhone got one and the people who have android have had plenty of time to get them if they want. I'd guess after a few months the market share of the apple watch will roughly equal the market share of the iPhone as the demand for smartwatches should be about the same between android and iPhone owners, this is just due to pent up demand for an iPhone compatible one.
 
As I said in my previous post, if you're a woman with average sized wrist for a woman, you can't even get a lot of "the others" to fit comfortably on the wrist. Never mind the aesthetics and unquestionably masculine design of all but the Moto 360, which is unisex but huge.

Looking at forum responses, the Apple Watch and the concept in general of a wearable has been quite a hit with a lot of ladies and has the potential to gain even more acceptance as the word spreads among women how the watch can free them from digging around in bags and purses for their iPhones, and as greater customization options and accessories appear. It was short sighted, sexist and ignorant for "the others" to not even try to appeal to the female segment of the market.
Females tend to be more sensible in tech purchases and don't just buy stuff because it's new. It needs to have a purpose, like actually being efficient or useful, rather than just something to waste time with or trying to justify its existence. Tech stuff for guys is like shoes or handbags for gals - irresistible and generally unnecessary. Unless it's from Apple of course.
"The others" products are almost entirely irritating, usually ugly and a waste of time, and spend their short lives at the back or drawers after a sojourn on eBay.
Your observations on the utility and lack of ugliness of the Watch are what I expected from it, but it's just the beginning. Remember the iPhone.
 
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I still wear a watch, but all my 20 something friends tell me no one wears a watch anymore except 40+ year old people. Is Apple going to put a watch on all these young people at the price they are asking? I guess we will find out in the next year or two. I'd love to see the age groups buying the majority of these Apple watches.
The twenty something's seem prepared to dispose more of their income than we did as we were less likely to live our parents, waiting for them to die. Having to buy a house or pay rent tends to limit disposable income unless debt is not scary to you. As far as wearing a watch goes, I stopped wearing one after the first iPhone, even though my eyesight was still pretty good then, but I've started wearing a watch to get back in the habit in anticipation of being able to afford a Watch at some stage. Having deteriorating eyesight makes using an analogue watch less efficient though, so I'm hoping the Watch will be easier to read without glasses.
 
Hmm... I thought this site had determined that analysts are clueless and just play the guessing game. But I guess since this one is Apple positive, they must suddenly know what they are talking about... :)
Tim Cook said more Watches were sold in the launch quarter than the first pads or phones, so that's a pretty big clue, more than I thought they were going to disclose. For the time being I'm prepared to believe Tim and agree that it's not necessary for them to give competitors information.
Why do you care anyway? Buy a watch or don't. From your post it would appear you're not an Apple customer or shareholder, so I'm not sure why you're here.
As far as analysis goes, I'll wait for Asymco's or Techpinions, but it's hardly surprising that the Watch would hugely outsell the previously available buzzing wristboxes (yes I know there is at least one round one).
 
Of course it is but the people saying it are either Apple's competitors or people shorting Apple stock :).
This continuing obvious stock manipulation would further suggest that illegal behaviors are not policed, hence the ability for certain people to engineer the crime of the century (so far), the so called GFC. You could of course help yourself to some cheaper Apple stock if you had money to spare. I'm still stewing about my cowardly behavior in not buying Apple stock when it was around $5, even though my wife was happy to get some then. We were in a huge amount of debt though.
 
It's weird, but I work out more because of the watch too! It's not a guilt (avoidance of a negative) trip, but a "want to do it" thing.
That's what so many people are saying. As usual, Apple seems to have figured out why the others don't quite work and ship stuff that does, and are beautifully made as well.
 
Well they don't sell many iPods anymore and Apple TVs have been forgotten by Apple and customers. It would also appear that Beats products are poor sellers as well with such a small amount of revenue.

The Beats purchase looks like it was a bad decision considering the price other then some help with launching Apple Music. I give it a couple years until they sell the Beats hardware line off to another headphone or audio company.
They bought Beats for the talent and music connections, not just a gamble on an extra income stream. They are playing the long game and actually trying to revive interest and appreciation for music in general and not just for money. They say that music is in their DNA and I believe them. If they can revive the music industry, it will be for the artists, not the parasitic distributors that have lost the plot (again). It will be a win win win if they can stop the decline in music interest and appreciation.
 
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