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Apple Watch Demand Slides Significantly in June as Launch Momentum Wanes

dustlane said:
Those aren't really in the same class. We are talking about a smart watch. Mobile products that require a mobile phone to function. All I am saying is that when the entire smartwatch market has had very little interest or success,
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Not the same class? Is that just because you don't like how the comparison works against your argument. :) The iPod initially required a Mac. The iPhone and iPad both initially required a PC. The entire iPod market had very little interest or success before the iPod. The tablet market had very little interest or success before the iPad. The consumer PC market had very little interest or success before the Mac.

it can only be expected that a new, extremely expensive product in that category would struggle.
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But it's not struggling. It's had one of the most successful launches of any new tech product ever.
 
dustlane said:
No, they have proven it wrong when you can get a phone with a subsidy. When you are paying full price for something its a different story.
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Wrong.
China is apple's biggest market and there is no subsidy. In fact, the price is higher than US.
 
BaldiMac said:
Not the same class? Is that just because you don't like how the comparison works against your argument. :) The iPod initially required a Mac. The iPhone and iPad both initially required a PC. The entire iPod market had very little interest or success before the iPod. The tablet market had very little interest or success before the iPad. The consumer PC market had very little interest or success before the Mac.


But it's not struggling. It's had one of the most successful launches of any new tech product ever.
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All I am saying is that the Apple Watch is a mobile product. The Mac isn't. Android doesn't make an ipod. We are talking smartwatches here. If Apple offered the Apple Watch at carrier stores with a subsidy, it would sell like crazy. But when you are asking people to pay full price for something it's different. That's why Android holds over 80% of the market worldwide. It ain't because Android is better. Far from it. It is because they are cheaper. And in those markets people have to pay full price for their gadgets. Personally, I own an iPhone and an iPad Air 2. But you won't catch me wearing an Apple Watch. They're just not worth what Apple charges. They are pretty useless unless you tether them to your phone. That is why no smartwatch has the market cornered. They all have very little use.
 
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dustlane said:
Now you're getting into economic issues and which country's citizens have the most disposable income.
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What?
China's citizens are far from having the kind of disposable income that Americans do.
Your main point was that apple's model only works because of subsidy, which does not hold up when compared with the facts.
 
dustlane said:
All I am saying is that the Apple Watch is a mobile product. The Mac isn't. Android doesn't make an ipod. We are talking smartwatches here. If Apple offered the Apple Watch at carrier stores with a subsidy, it would sell like crazy. But when you are asking people to pay full price for something it's different. That's why Android holds over 80% of the market worldwide. It ain't because Android is better. Far from it. It is because they are cheaper. And in those markets people have to pay full price for their gadgets. Personally, I own an iPhone and an iPad Air 2. But you won't catch me wearing an Apple Watch. They're just not worth what Apple charges. They are pretty useless unless you tether them to your phone. That is why no smartwatch has the market cornered. They all have very little use.
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Neither Apple nor its users care about the absolute market share.
Market share is irrelevant because apple has top end of the market, with its higher profit margin, cornered.
Although Apple has lower market share when you compare two OSes, Apple does not sell its OS; therefore Apple's competition is individual phone manufacturers, not Google, which has a different business model from Apple's.
 
Maybe the second gen will be better. But as if now no smartwatch is worth what they sell for. IMO. When they are able to work without the phone then they will be more viable. Apple entered a market with a product that really offered no more than any other product in its category but they charge a premium for it. That's a tough one.
 
SHNXX said:
Neither Apple nor its users care about the absolute market share.
Market share is irrelevant because apple has top end of the market, with its higher profit margin, cornered.
Although Apple has lower market share when you compare two OSes, Apple does not sell its OS; therefore Apple's competition is individual phone manufacturers, not Google, which has a different business model from Apple's.
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I hear ya. No argument here.
 
dustlane said:
No, they have proven it wrong when you can get a phone with a subsidy. When you are paying full price for something its a different story.
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I simply refer you to your own post.

Apple products do not rely on subsidy.

Regarding disposable income, please explain your point, if you have one.
 
dustlane said:
All I am saying is that the Apple Watch is a mobile product. The Mac isn't. Android doesn't make an ipod. We are talking smartwatches here. If Apple offered the Apple Watch at carrier stores with a subsidy, it would sell like crazy. But when you are asking people to pay full price for something it's different. That's why Android holds over 80% of the market worldwide. It ain't because Android is better. Far from it. It is because they are cheaper. And in those markets people have to pay full price for their gadgets. Personally, I own an iPhone and an iPad Air 2. But you won't catch me wearing an Apple Watch. They're just not worth what Apple charges. They are pretty useless unless you tether them to your phone. That is why no smartwatch has the market cornered. They all have very little use.
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o_O :D And yet the iPad Air 2 is twice the cost of Android tablets for basically the same thing. Like I said, Apple has proven over and over again that your original statement is wrong.
 
dustlane said:
Maybe the second gen will be better. But as if now no smartwatch is worth what they sell for. IMO. When they are able to work without the phone then they will be more viable. Apple entered a market with a product that really offered no more than any other product in its category but they charge a premium for it. That's a tough one.
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Correction: No smart watch is worth their price for you.

As millions of people have shown, the price is just fine for many early adopters, more numerous than iPhone 1, iPod, etc.
 
I don't have one. I just see what sells here in the US. Most people only buy their phones on a cycle. Then they see that $199 price and they jump all over it. If they had to pay that $800 up front there would be a lot of go phones our there. I can't speak for China. I never said they had more money to spend I just said that that had to be considered. I could be way wrong on that one.
 
You're right. Indeed many early adopters have bought them. I'm looking more at the mainstream. It's a tough sell but I have no doubts that eventually Apple will lead the market. But right now it's a tough sell. But the second generation may be the shiznit.
 
dustlane said:
I don't have one. I just see what sells here in the US. Most people only buy their phones on a cycle. Then they see that $199 price and they jump all over it. If they had to pay that $800 up front there would be a lot of go phones our there. I can't speak for China. I never said they had more money to spend I just said that that had to be considered. I could be way wrong on that one.
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Considering that Chinese have much much less disposable income, it would weaken your argument.
Most people may buy their phones according to the two year contract cycle, but that doesn't mean they would not buy iPhones without subsidy.
It just means many are willing to buy the iPhones given the choice when there is subsidy; without subsidy, many (in Asia) still seem to buy iPhones in droves.
 
dustlane said:
You're right. Indeed many early adopters have bought them. I'm looking more at the mainstream. It's a tough sell but I have no doubts that eventually Apple will lead the market. But right now it's a tough sell. But the second generation may be the shiznit.
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The definition of early adopter is people who buy first generation products.
Therefore, it seems rather odd for you to want to see mainstream buyers while we are still in first generation.
Also, iPhone 1 did not sell nearly as well as the Apple watch.
Just because you don't want the Apple watch, it doesn't mean that many (more than those who bought iPhone 1) still do, at the price Apple is asking for.
 
I don't know if we will ever be in that spot in the US. Now the two year cycle is going away but now you just pay monthly. Buying outright is the better way to go but when someone makes eight dollars an hour is tough to drop nearly a grand on a phone.
 
SHNXX said:
The definition of early adopter is people who buy first generation products.
Therefore, it seems rather odd for you to want to see mainstream buyers while we are still in first generation.
Also, iPhone 1 did not sell nearly as well as the Apple watch.
Just because you don't want the Apple watch, it doesn't mean that many (more than those who bought iPhone 1) still do, at the price Apple is asking for.
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That's kinda what this topic is about. Aplarently, according to the article, with the exception of the early adopters, the Apple Watch is selling very poorly. Although I don't think any other smartwatch is selling well either. It's just a tough market right now. Next gen? Lookout.
 
dustlane said:
That's kinda what this topic is about. Aplarently, according to the article, with the exception of the early adopters, the Apple Watch is selling very poorly. Although I don't think any other smartwatch is selling well either. It's just a tough market right now. Next gen? Lookout.
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Where do you get the idea that the Apple watch sales is struggling?
Do you understand that even conservative sales estimates are around 2-4 million units sold?

What is your standard for "good" sales?
 
dustlane said:
The article in question here. It's not up to me. I'm just referring to the article
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The article states that the sales have declined since the launch weekend.
That does not equal poor sales.

What is the shape of the curve from launch weekend to a few months later for iPhone 1? 3GS? 6?
 
dustlane said:
It says that one some days only 5000 units are being sold. To me, that's bad.
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I'm sorry that Apple is not meeting your high expectations for sales.

But before you give up on Apple, do you realize that this is an estimate?
Do you realize that the story says "on some days, fewer than 10000"?
Do you also realize that 5000 per day for a full quarter would equate 450k, adding up to 2 million in the first quarter, without even accounting for international sales?
 
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