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Cross platform.... It's an accessory. I'm not going to buy an iPhone so I can have an AppleWatch.
I happen to like my Android Phone. I have an LG Urbane Second Edition watch.
Make an API that works across platform and I'll buy an AppleWatch.
Forget cross platform. Make it compatible with all ios/mac products!
 
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I don't understand why these things are compared. Basic fitness-only wearables are a completely different product from Apple Watch. Most of that market is not going to buy an Apple Watch instead.

Fitness tracking is 1 of 100 Apple Watch features.

Edit: This just in - 95% of refrigerator profits not going to Apple.
If the Apple watch is a fitness tracker and more, then it should sell better.

Who says the other fitness devices don't make money?

More defensive posturing. The Apple watch didn't need to be so expensive.
 
It certainly owns the very specific iPhone companion watch market.

Apple has made sure that it has no real competition in the iOS market, by keeping vital APIs to itself.
You lost me when you said Apple has no competition in iOS when they have singlehandedly put over $60 billion in the hands of developers throughout the world through the App store and the iOS ecosystem. Yet Apple gives away all its software to its users. Yes indeed, no competition.
 
I switched over from a Nike Fuelband to the Apple Watch (just under a month ago). To me, there's just no comparison. While the Nike was fine in what it did, it just didn't do enough NOR was it waterproof, as the Apple watch is. Sure, okay - people buy more of the other brands, and that's to be expected, just as more people buy Microsoft-based PCs than they do iMacs. The sales numbers don't impress so much as the functionality does.
No comparison to the PC market. Apple could own this market or have a bigger chunk. Why not? Oh, because it's not compatible with a necessary phone?
 
And by every estimate, Apple watch sales have been falling YoY once you subtract the initial supply-constrained months.

Yet, assuming for the sake of argument that is true, they still own the market and the main competitors are dropping like flies. I guess your point is that they dominate whether the market for watches is going up or down.
 
It's like comparing an iphone with a Motorola Razr.

I know I'm late to the party on this thread, apologies if point already made.

The RAZR is comparable to the iPhone. You are very few RAZRs and a ton of iPhones these days. Why? Because people have one or the other and Apple convinced people that they should have an iPhone instead of a RAZR by giving it features people wanted.

The Apple Watch should be the iPhone to the Fitbit's RAZR ("why would anyone buy a Fitbit when Apple Watch exists?"), but it isn't. Why? No 'can't live without' feature.
 
I have had my Apple Watch for a year or so and am getting fed up with it for running. The available apps are unreliable and the watch face controls are useless if you are sweaty or it is raining. Useless for distance (or pretty much anything) without my phone. Going to a Garmin. May still use the Apple Watch for day to day use or sell it. Not sure yet.
 
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i can understand why this is honestly. it is a premium device.

Ive had my apple watch for almost a month and I'm quite impressed so far.

I agree it's a premium device, and this article doesn't highlight the true meaning of the Apple Watch and it's standings.
 
If the Apple watch is a fitness tracker and more, then it should sell better.

Who says the other fitness devices don't make money?

More defensive posturing. The Apple watch didn't need to be so expensive.

Well, since you asked: "
  • Pebble is toast.
    • Microsoft tried twice with its Band, touted as the most advanced fitness tracker on the market, but gave up the ghost in October and ceased production because of poor sales. The Band is officially dead.
    • Nike stopped making its FuelBand and has switched to selling Apple Watches with a special Nike band and watch face.
    • Jawbone stopped making its fitness tracker this in September.
  • Fitbit doesn't make a smart watch, but they are impacted by Apple's appeal to fitness folks, and Fitbit's stock hit an all time low today, December 5 as a familiar pattern plays out with Xiaomi fighting for scraps among the low end and Fitbit not being able to compete with the smart watch segment.
  • Garmin is the second biggest smartwatch maker behind Apple (again these are all estimates), but hanging on.
  • Samsung is just hanging around selling Gear smart watches waiting for Apple to do something so it can try and copy.
Apple is healthy and has the resources to keep evolving the Apple Watch.

Finally, everyone should be wary of these stimates of sales. Apple doesn't report them and they may be much higher. For example, one analyst is "reporting" Apple sold 1.1 million watches this quarter, while another says it was 2.8 million. The reality is that neither knows.


 
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Good, as it should be.

In other news Ferrari trails car market as Ford Focus sales "Reign Supreme"

(Note: This is called a joke for those people who've mathematically tried to work out which car brands are more accurately comparable to the price difference between an Apple Watch and a Xiaomi Mi band...christ)

Ferrari need to work out how to sell replaceable seats....the cash spinner is watch bands baby.....and the competition is left for dead here!!!!
 
I think if Apple want this to be the defacto smart watch they're going to have to make it cross platform like they did with the iPod.
 
People in the past have shown that if a product is reallly good, they will buy it no mather the price. Just like the first iPhone when it was 500$ (in that time 500$ for a phone was "you're crazy" price). Now what did apple watch achieve? Nothing really, nobody really wants to buy it. It's ugly, its expensive and it's useless. Brandind it as some "exclusive" device just to excuse its lackluster sales doesnt really cut i.
 
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I think if Apple want this to be the defacto smart watch they're going to have to make it cross platform like they did with the iPod.

I see what you're saying. But the iPod and Apple Watch shouldn't be used in comparison for platform base. And let's not forget, the iPod is practically non-existent anymore, which it's to hazy to determine if Wearable Tech will follow or not.
 
so what are the remaining 99 Appel watch features that actually draw consumers to buy Apple Watch?

Navigation
Notifications
Home automation control
Minor upgrade? Are you serious?

Not dismissing it. I love my V1 - Just mean to the casual buyers it looks the same as the first one - Not a major redesign. GPS / Waterproofing / brighter display / better battery are all great but it's never the wow factor of a new feature which will probably come with the next gen - new design / Bigger screen / more independence from iPhone / facetime camera ( will be the killer thing for some people )
 
More than 1 billion people own iPhones. So the amount of Apple Watch sales are not great at all.

Apple tried to market and sell the Apple Watch as a Rolex. That idea flopped!

Essentially the Apple Watch is a nice looking fitness watch with an overly complicated fitness system. Like it or not, Apple Watch is competing with Fitbit and Garmin, not Rolex or Omega (which Apple would like it to compete against).

Negatives
- too expensive
- doesn't pair with iPads (which is just silly)
- fitness part is too complicated (like it or not steps is very easy to understand and compare with a friend)
- delay in HR/step/activity data (Fitbit shows HR/steps live as it happens on the display without having to tell it you are running or walking for example)
- battery life (fitbit blaze has 5 days)
- to the average joe it doesn't really do anything more than a fitness tracker (notifications and tracks fitness)

Plus
- high quality
- brilliant vibration
- apple pay

Apart from Apple Pay and the funky vibration, my Fitbit Blaze does everything the Apple Watch does and better (and for £150 less). Even Apple are marketing it as a fitness device now.

That is the problem!
 
I can't speak for other people but I have two main reasons for not buying an Apple (or other) watch:
  1. Price. I don't want to add another really expensive device to my list of devices I need to replace every so often: iPhone, iPad, Mac AND a watch: no thank you.
  2. Use. I don't want a smart watch. If you use all it can do, especially the notifications, it seems too obtrusive. I don't want to know straight away, all the time whenever I get a new notification. And if you're not going to use the notifications, you might as well not buy a smart watch.
 
One is a do it all smart watch. The other is something that simply counts steps and can be had for as little as $60. Is this really comparable?
Since most people will only wear one smartwatch/wearable on their wrist, the data should be interpreted less as a comparison of the products themselfs and more as a representation of their buyer's major focus on fitness-tracking.
And while the Apple Watch in general might offer plenty more functionality, it can't do anything in the fitness section that it competitors couldn't do equally good or even better (btw: some of those "step counters" come with a premium pricetag too, like the Garmin Fenix 3 starting at $ 500).
 
Sure I do get that, although I struggle in understanding how you reply to texts using your watch. Isn't it really easier to just grab your phone and do those tasks?
If it was on me, I would do that. However, it is often at my desk, at the other end of the building from me, where the wearable is usually on my wrist.
 
You lost me when you said Apple has no competition in iOS when they have singlehandedly put over $60 billion in the hands of developers throughout the world through the App store and the iOS ecosystem. Yet Apple gives away all its software to its users. Yes indeed, no competition.

Apparently you lost the entire thread context, which is about Apple Watch.

It's tied to iOS.

Apple has made sure no one can directly compete with their Watch, by making sure no one else can access things like Apple Pay on their device, access known WiFi sites and passwords, etc. Competing watches cannot access their own phone based watch app store. Competing watches cannot transfer data to Apple Health, AFAIK. Nor directly reply to texts or emails.

It's like how Microsoft used to be accused of being evil, by keeping secret APIs just for its own use, so its own apps would be faster.

In other words, the Apple Watch doesn't directly compete with anything, because Apple won't let anyone else directly compete with it.
 
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Yet, assuming for the sake of argument that is true, they still own the market and the main competitors are dropping like flies. I guess your point is that they dominate whether the market for watches is going up or down.
My argument is that the Apple Watch (and other smartwatches to a lesser degree) started with way too high expectations in regard to usefulness and appeal. Meaning many people bought them blind and only later discovered that it wasn't for them. Having mindshare is usually good for products but you can have too much mindshare resulting in disappointment post-purchase.
 
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