Apple Watch Hermès Series 2 Models Officially Launch Today

[smacrumon]

One cannot disagree more. Maybe Hermès is pricey, but this is maybe the only brand on Earth that is not overpricing their product just to pretend to be a luxury brand.
If you know their customer service and the difficulty to buy their products, you would probably understand that the quality is their only matter and they do not rush to have millions of customers. They have the exact opposite policy as what you try to describe in your comment.

In other words, for Hermès, the quality determines the price. For most luxury brands, the price is the limiting factor.

Absolutely not the case. It's simply the skin off the backs of calves and other livestock. There isn't anything more straightforward a product. With Hermes, it's 0.1% product and 99.9% marketing to get customers to buy into their overpriced leather shenanigans. All the way with a simple and clean sports band that lends itself to all sorts of clothing and occasions.

 

[Bacillus]

Where's the Apple Watch Rolex Edition?

I'd never be caught dead with something as budget as Hermes around my wrist, people might think I'm average for cryin' out loud!

I may start digging for you to find out what Apple Rolex wearing prolls look like, from an antropologic point of view.
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Right. I'm aware of the upgrades internally. But it doesn't change my perception on how it appears exactly as the Gen 1 Watch. To me, even with the upgrades, it's the concept of purchasing the exact same Watch, being it reduces My overall feeling towards it. If it was a complete Redesign, then I would be peaked.

Then what made you stay awake during the 6 => 6S => 7 cycle ?
Courage ?

 

[roveref]

Absolutely not the case. It's simply the skin off the backs of calves and other livestock. There isn't anything more straightforward a product. With Hermes, it's 0.1% product and 99.9% marketing to get customers to buy into their overpriced leather shenanigans. All the way with a simple and clean sports band that lends itself to all sorts of clothing and occasions.

Well, I invite you to go to a Hermès store and get to know better the brand.

 

[smacrumon]

Well, I invite you to go to a Hermès store and get to know better the brand.

Thanks, but I'll go to a friend's home and get to know them better, but I won't be going to a Hermes store to receive the royal marketing treatment. I feel great about myself, I don't need a piece of leather wrapping around my wrist to comfort me. A simple clean and elegant sport band does the trick with every piece of clothing I wear, from suits to sweats. Relegate Hermes to the brand scrap heap, save your cash and spend it on a nice lunch or dinner with friends, family, or even just a great treat for yourself. There's no justification for paying anything for Hermes products.

 

[roveref]

Thanks, but I'll go to a friend's home and get to know them better, but I won't be going to a Hermes store to receive the royal marketing treatment. I feel great about myself, I don't need a piece of leather wrapping around my wrist to comfort me. A simple clean and elegant sport band does the trick with every piece of clothing I wear, from suits to sweats. Relegate Hermes to the brand scrap heap, save your cash and spend it on a nice lunch or dinner with friends, family, or even just a great treat for yourself. There's no justification for paying anything for Hermes products.

My point was not about arguing if the sport band worths Hermès or not, but anyway.

As you seem to be really vindicative and sure of yourself, I wanted to check your allegations. You said Hermès is 99.9% of marketing and 0.1% for the product.

According to their financial statements for the year 2015 (in million) :

Revenue : 4,841.0
Cost of sales : 1,642.5
Selling, marketing and administrative expenses : 1,418.9.

I am not going to insult you by calculating the ratio.

 

[smacrumon]

My point was not about arguing if the sport band worths Hermès or not, but anyway.

As you seem to be really vindicative and sure of yourself, I wanted to check your allegations. You said Hermès is 99.9% of marketing and 0.1% for the product.

According to their financial statements for the year 2015 (in million) :

Revenue : 4,841.0
Cost of sales : 1,642.5
Selling, marketing and administrative expenses : 1,418.9.

I am not going to insult you by calculating the ratio.

Sure of myself, yes, vindictive, no. I was referring to product worthiness. With Hermes, it's 0.1% product worthiness, (i.e. it has no worth in society) but to sell such skin off the backs of calves and other livestock, it needs a 99.9% marketing effort to get customers interested in something so worthless as dried and colored flesh and then to actually buy.

 

[Abazigal]

Absolutely not the case. It's simply the skin off the backs of calves and other livestock. There isn't anything more straightforward a product. With Hermes, it's 0.1% product and 99.9% marketing to get customers to buy into their overpriced leather shenanigans. All the way with a simple and clean sports band that lends itself to all sorts of clothing and occasions.

That's like saying a doctor is simply a guy who dispenses pills, or that the iPhone is a bunch of glass and metal, without taking into account the work that goes on behind the scenes to make this possible.

Hermes is evidently quite famous for the quality of their leather. I don't see myself owning any products of a nature, but you are in a sense getting a better quality compared to the next best alternative.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/new-apple-watch-hermes-straps-now-available-separately-apple-watch/

The Hermes straps, of course, come with a distinctive look and feel, are hand-crafted, and also arrive with an increased level of prestige given the Hermes branding. Hermes does leather very well, and combined with Apple's more selective distribution of the Hermes Apple Watch straps - makes these Apple Watch accessories desirable for the right demographics and furthers Apple's goal of makings its Apple Watch the premier choice of smartwatch for luxury consumers.

Look at the comments and some people actually consider the straps cheap (relative to the price of a Birkins bag)!

 

[smacrumon]

That's like saying a doctor is simply a guy who dispenses pills, or that the iPhone is a bunch of glass and metal, without taking into account the work that goes on behind the scenes to make this possible.

Hermes is evidently quite famous for the quality of their leather. I don't see myself owning any products of a nature, but you are in a sense getting a better quality compared to the next best alternative.

Look at the comments and some people actually consider the straps cheap (relative to the price of a Birkins bag)!

"Hermes is evidently quite famous for the quality of their leather." -- That there is the point of marketing, to get some message out there about Hermes. What exactly is quality?

With iPhone as a bunch of glass and metal, each have a point in the product.

Tearing the skin from livestock and turning that into a watch band has no point. There is no point to Hermes bands or similar types.

 

[44267547]

I may start digging for you to find out what Apple Rolex wearing prolls look like, from an antropologic point of view.
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Then what made you stay awake during the 6 => 6S => 7 cycle ?
Courage ?

What does a Keynote and iPhone have anything to offer regarding an Apple Watch thread?

 

[Wowereit]

To one person it may just be a stupid band for a stupid watch, to others it's quality leatherwork and is aesthetically pleasing.

To Hermes and Apple it's a over 1000% margin for a leather stripe

 

[44267547]

This is $1149 not $20,000. That's one month's mortgage or 2 car payments for many people.
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Piqued?

Watch designs don't change much over time. Neither do phone or computer designs.

That's not entirely accurate.

Smart Watches have to change over a few short years in terms of design and hardware to deter from being stagnant. With technology changing and devices becoming smaller and thinner, the appeal of smart watches changes more often than not to draw a refreshed lineup and appealing to the customer. I expected the Series 2 Watch to resemble the First Gen Watch without a complete overhaul, which is more likely to happen in Gen 3. My point was, $600.00 is for the stainless version is exactly what I paid for the First Gen Watch, being if I purchase Gen 2, it does not hold a
Strong appeal with me, being its the same Watch, with internal upgrades. Gen 3 will likely introduce a round variant, perhaps a larger MM screen, and a revamped current version.


Traditional Watches will not change drastically over a few years span, I.E., Tissot, Tag, Omega, Pateks or Panerai, mainly due to the cost to manufacture such a high end piece of jewelry, where smart watches are a fraction of the price to produce and sell.

 

[Abazigal]

"Hermes is evidently quite famous for the quality of their leather." -- That there is the point of marketing, to get some message out there about Hermes. What exactly is quality?

With iPhone as a bunch of glass and metal, each have a point in the product.

Tearing the skin from livestock and turning that into a watch band has no point. There is no point to Hermes bands or similar types.

I would argue that fashion is perhaps one area we as more tech-savvy users are ill-equipped to discuss meaningfully. With tech, we are used to seeing a direct correlation between price and specs (and consequently performance and features).

With fashion, people are spending 5 figure sums on stuff like bags and watches, which often offer little or zero utility over way cheaper alternatives. I don't think it's pointless though. It doesn't mean there isn't any benefit for these people, it just means those are not tangible benefits we can indicate on a spec sheet and compare directly.

 

[BarredOwl]

"Hermes is evidently quite famous for the quality of their leather." -- That there is the point of marketing, to get some message out there about Hermes. What exactly is quality?

With iPhone as a bunch of glass and metal, each have a point in the product.

Tearing the skin from livestock and turning that into a watch band has no point. There is no point to Hermes bands or similar types.

Get real. This veganesque pseudo-superiority is laughable. Aren't you worried about the congealed chemicals that make up your perfectly elegant *sport* band? How unnatural, oh the environment!

There's no ripping of skins from livestock. The meat's long on the plate before the finest leathers are produced.

And just why do you continue to troll threads about Apple/Hermès if the products are so beneath you? Don't you need to be spending that quality time with your loved ones? No, it seems you just want to argue and troll.

 

[smacrumon]

Get real. This veganesque pseudo-superiority is laughable. Aren't you worried about the congealed chemicals that make up your perfectly elegant *sport* band? How unnatural, oh the environment!

There's no ripping of skins from livestock. The meat's long on the plate before the finest leathers are produced.

And just why do you continue to troll threads about Apple/Hermès if the products are so beneath you? Don't you need to be spending that quality time with your loved ones? No, it seems you just want to argue and troll.

No trolling here, I'm asserting ideas on what design is, and what isn't. Hermes is not design.
That's BS by the way, animals are killed for their skins as well, it's not a by-product of meat consumption. There's no point to using animal skin for a watch band. Plastic or synthetic faux leather made from recycled materials do just as well, and look better.
Sports band is better by design, better by the environment. It might not fit one's outdated view of the world, that's what needs to be overcome.

 

[saudade]

One cannot disagree more. Maybe Hermès is pricey, but this is maybe the only brand on Earth that is not overpricing their product just to pretend to be a luxury brand.
If you know their customer service and the difficulty to buy their products, you would probably understand that the quality is their only matter and they do not rush to have millions of customers. They have the exact opposite policy as what you try to describe in your comment.

In other words, for Hermès, the quality determines the price. For most luxury brands, the price is the limiting factor.

respect this man guyz, he knows what talkn bout. Hermès products aint expensive at all cause u r buying top quality here know what i mean? be sure to buy some lv and Hermès for all ur females so they c who r you and how u protect them a happy girl makes a happy man know what i mean? when my girls see woman wearing cheap bags they make jokes u know woman, they say hey gurl whatchu wearin'? so be sure to buy them brands spend a few bucks don't be cheap

 

[ginkobiloba]

Hermes = Trash. Just like other overpriced brand names. But through marketing, somehow they persuade lots of customers to buy, buy, buy.
The simple sports band is quite elegant on the Apple Watch. That's where it starts and ends for me. None of this leather nonsense.


No trolling here, I'm asserting ideas on what design is, and what isn't. Hermes is not design.
That's BS by the way, animals are killed for their skins as well, it's not a by-product of meat consumption. There's no point to using animal skin for a watch band. Plastic or synthetic faux leather made from recycled materials do just as well, and look better.
Sports band is better by design, better by the environment. It might not fit one's outdated view of the world, that's what needs to be overcome.

I'm sorry but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. You make a very confused argument. No, Hermes is not even close to being "trash". It's not some cheap company that just fell off the sky yesterday for the purpose of making Apple Watch bands, it's a very old french company created in 1837 ! They started making high-quality handmade leather outfits and accessories for equestrian sports at the turn of the century and they do know their craft. They later expanded into perfumes and other accessories like their famous scarf , etc..and they reputation is known worldwide.

Saying their Apple Watch bands are just crap and 99% marketing and the Apple rubber band is better is completely delusional and ignorant. Are the Hermes bands overpriced ? Well yes, sure, like all real luxury brands ( and by real I mean those who really do make high quality products, not just crap with expensive marketing ). But there is a huge difference between overpriced and crap. Most Apple products are overpriced, but not crap. See the difference ?

What you are really trying to say, is that you're vegan and against leather products and animal killing for food or otherwise. It's a position I disagree with but I can respect the thinking behind it. But if that is your argument, then you should defend it for what it is, not by using tangential arguments that make no sense like "Hermes is crap that is no better than 20$ leather bands" , because that just discredits whatever vegan argument you're trying to make.

The watches are exactly the same. The only difference will be watch faces and the leather bands. It's for the super highfalutin lol. Complete waste of money. The funny thing is the only person that sees the watch faces are you since its off until you flip your wrist up and honestly no one will even know they are Hermes exclusive so you're just paying all that extra for a leather strap that you can buy a knock off of on Ebay for $25

Nope. I bought a bunch of leather straps on Amazon for my SS watch, because I didn't feel like paying 170€ for the Apple one or more for the Hermes one ( I tried them, but I need the money for something else).
2 of those 20€ straps were absolute crap. I'd rather not wear a watch at all than wear that crap. The third one ( at 30€ ) was much better , better quality and build and I'm quite happy with it. Is it equal to the Apple one or the Hermes one ? Nope, and it's in the little details : the feel of the leather, the cut, the size of the bands doesn't fit exactly the size of the Watch steel attachments, making them slightly non-symetrical, whereis the Hermes one fits the attachment absolutely perfectly.

But that 30€ strap reaches a quality level that I can live with despite its imperfections. But I won't try pretending that the Hermes ( or the Apple ) ones are exactly the same as my 30€ one, because they're not, they're better.
Are they 6 times better ( for the Apple one) since they cost at least 6 times more ? Maybe not, maybe just 3 times better and you pay another 3 times for the name brand and the surroundings where you buy it. But they still ARE superior.

 

[smacrumon]

I'm sorry but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. You make a very confused argument. No, Hermes is not even close to being "trash". It's not some cheap company that just fell off the sky yesterday for the purpose of making Apple Watch bands, it's a very old french company created in 1837 ! They started making high-quality handmade leather outfits and accessories for equestrian sports at the turn of the century and they do know their craft. They later expanded into perfumes and other accessories like their famous scarf , etc..and they reputation is known worldwide.

Saying their Apple Watch bands are just crap and 99% marketing and the Apple rubber band is better is completely delusional and ignorant. Are the Hermes bands overpriced ? Well yes, sure, like all real luxury brands ( and by real I mean those who really do make high quality products, not just crap with expensive marketing ). But there is a huge difference between overpriced and crap. Most Apple products are overpriced, but not crap. See the difference ?

What you are really trying to say, is that you're vegan and against leather products and animal killing for food or otherwise. It's a position I disagree with but I can respect the thinking behind it. But if that is your argument, then you should defend it for what it is, not by using tangential arguments that make no sense like "Hermes is crap that is no better than 20$ leather bands" , because that just discredits whatever vegan argument you're trying to make.




Nope. I bought a bunch of leather straps on Amazon for my SS watch, because I didn't feel like paying 170€ for the Apple one or more for the Hermes one ( I tried them). 2 of those 20€ straps were absolute crap. I'd rather not wear a watch at all than wear that crap. The third one ( at 30€ ) was much better , better quality and build and I'm quite happy with it. Is it equal to the Apple one or the Hermes one ? Nope, and it's in the little details : the feel of the leather, the cut, the size of the bands doesn't fit exactly the size of the Watch steel attachments, making them slightly non-symetrical, whereis the Hemes one fits the attachment absolutely perfectly.

But that 30€ strap reaches a quality level that I can live with despite its imperfections. But I won't try pretending that the Hermes ( or the Apple ) ones are exactly the same as my 30€ one, because they're not, they're better.
Are they 6 times better ( for the Apple one) since they cost at least 6 times more ? Maybe not, maybe just 3 times better and you pay another 3 times for the name brand and the surroundings where you buy it. But they still ARE superior.

Key year 1837. Hermes is redundant in 2016.
By the way, I'm not vegan. But I do see the absolute insanity of killing a living being just to wear it.

 

[saudade]

What sort of actual douche nozzle would buy this?

Say what? Dud plz respect ppl who have da bucks 2 buy this nice things. Why u need 2 use the n word aka nozzle?

 

[iLog.Genius]

Uhh I think your sense of wealth is quite skewed.

I thought your absurd post of douche nozzle warranted the use of an absurd example because who in their right mind would buy something as ridiculous as an Hermes-branded Apple product? If not someone who can afford such things or just loves fashion or the Hermes brand, has to be the uber rich, right?

Or someone with zero debt and loves Apple and high fashion. Get over your hang-ups.

I agree, my response was aimed towards the ridiculous use of the label douche nozzle for someone who would buy this.

 

[bandrews]

I'm getting one. Because I want to. Because I like it. Because I can afford it. Don't give a **** what people think either positive or negative.

 

[Orien]

I thought your absurd post of douche nozzle warranted the use of an absurd example because who in their right mind would buy something as ridiculous as an Hermes-branded Apple product? If not someone who can afford such things or just loves fashion or the Hermes brand, has to be the uber rich, right?

Are you confusing me with another poster?

 

[macduke]

Luckily for you, the Hermes Barenia strap is scratch resistant due to the leather's oil absorbing material. It's the same leather that they use for their horse saddles.

Can I put you down for one Hermes Series 2?

I'd love a Series 2 for speed improvements, but I'm not much of a leather guy. I'm thinking about saving up for the link bracelet in Series 3, and hoping they have some higher-end metal alloys by then.
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If and when the Apple Watch 3 launches, besides a complete design change, we will likely see additional casing options, perhaps Tungsten and Pladium, which will be pricey, but likely will sell if Apple can offer a complete revamp. Being an owner of the First Gen Stainless model, I'm on the fence if I will upgrade to the Series 2 stainless, it's a great improvement in terms of software, but the hardware is exactly the same. Which makes me feel like I am buying the same Watch all over again.

Well, if by hardware you mean casing, then yeah. But the hardware inside is supposed to be faster, which is an issue I've always had. I'm not sure if they'll completely redesign the next one. Personally, I'd like a round model because I've always work round watch faces, but I understand how that doesn't work as well with text which is best read in a rectilinear form. But maybe they could make the circular model a larger diameter, and keep a squared off area for apps in the center with shortcuts in the four arcing margins around it. Like at the top above the app they could always have the time and date or timer, to the sides could be shortcuts for the current app, and at the bottom you could always have a complication or two, such as showing you what's up next on the calendar. It could use the extra space while in apps to give it an extra benefit, without requiring developers to completely redesign their interfaces.

What I ultimately want is an iPhone snap bracelet that doubles as a watch with an always-on display that mimics different materials, both visually (perhaps non-transmissive advanced color e-ink) and with electrostatic display (which mimics texture) when on the wrist. But that's probably 10-15 years out a minimum. Bonus points if the iPhone slap band could be unfolded into an iPad Pro which wirelessly transmits to an external display a full macOS experience. I'd gladly spend $5000 on that in 2035.

 

[beanbaguk]

While I know people waste money on frivolous things, this takes the pick of it all so far. (And I own a couple of Hermes ties).

However this is the difference. People who know me on here will know I'm no fan of the Apple Watch. The series 2 is still just as useless as the first, but to add a ridiculously expensive leather strap to an already overpriced watch is hilariously nuts.

A Hermes tie will last for years and years if you take are of it. I also own very expensive watches. Two of which have leather straps and replacements are priced at crazy amounts but once again, you are talking about Swiss premium brands versus a gadget with a limited age.

 

[bandrews]

Key year 1837. Hermes is redundant in 2016.
By the way, I'm not vegan. But I do see the absolute insanity of killing a living being just to wear it.

I can't say for croc and snake skin but cattle are not killed just for their leather - calf skin comes from young bulls killed for veal and older beef cattle for coarser, stronger leather.

 

[smacrumon]

I can't say for croc and snake skin but cattle are not killed just for their leather - calf skin comes from young bulls killed for veal and older beef cattle for coarser, stronger leather.

You speak for every kill? I don't think so. Some livestock are bred just for their skin. It's a sad reality. I'd be keen to see Hermes progress to using new materials of the non living kind.