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This doesn't match the reality. Most people I see across the streets aren't using any watch.

How the hell do you make that determination from across a street? I assume a fair amount have long sleeves on, then you have others wearing on the wrist being blocked by their body or by other bodies and objects in your field or view, and then you have to be able to discern medical alert devices and jewelry that's also worn on the wrist.

How does one casually get this info? Or, if you are actively doing research why stand on the other side of the street.


Regardless, what's happening right now is not an indicator of what will happen when there is a paradigm shift in technology. Consider that very few people saw the need for the personal computer before Apple existed. There is even a famous story of Woz having to pitch his machine to HP, where he worked, to see if they wanted first dibs at his creation. Obviously they didn't and now Apple is building their new campus on their HQ remains.

The PMP market was pretty much nonexistent when Apple entered into it. It had struggled for years but I believe the Sony Discman was still outselling all HDD-based PMP vendors combined. The iPod changed that.

Then you have very few smartphone sales compared to dumb phones; mostly being business executives with Blackberries and geeks with PDAs. The iPhone changed that. And that was despite not having '3G', a physical keyboard, cut/copy/paste, and slew of other must have features that many said doomed the product from the start.

Then you have the iPad jumping into a market where tablets had failed for decades. The iPad changed that. And yet the biggest gripes where how it's just a large iPod Touch, and how no one would use that Mickey Mouse OS when there were real computers for real work available that were faster, with larger HDDs, faster processors, more RAM, and physical keyboards for less money.

I believe that the wearables market is the next major CE market, and while I don't think the look of the first gen Watch is to my liking I can see the fine craftsmanship and believe it's aa good value for the money. Also, while it's missing some key features I think are obvious, simple for Apple to code, and would make this a must have, I see the potential and how it can be a great utility for its owners.
 
I have a strong suspicion this thing is going to have very tepid sales. It should've been marketed as a fitness/functionality device, not as a fashion one.

It will never pass as a high end fashion device because the face turns off when not in use, so all you have left is a bulky looking black square on your wrist. The only types of people who will think this watch is fashionable are the same types of people who still go outside wearing their fedoras.

It's being marketed as *both*. You're looking at a fashion magazine and complaining that they are focusing on fashion. Look at the spread they did for the fitness magazine.
 
Once this saturates the initial market of people wanting a wearable device, I expect newer sales to drop faster than the iPad.
 
I don't go to Walmart because the people who shop there just are nasty, I always feel like I'm gonna get robbed the moment I pull in the parking lot.

Okay then.

Cars these days are all the same, trust me I work at a car company. The big differentials these days are styling, price, and name brand. You can get a Ford all hooked up with the latest technologies similar to a Benz, put people will still pay the extra premium for the Benz just based on the name.

I don't care if you are CEO of a major car company, this information is just completely wrong. It's as wrong as claiming all laptops are the same, or all smart phones are the same.

The example I gave you on the S-Class active air suspension that looks at the road ahead and anticipates bumps is not a technology you could just slap onto a Ford or any other car.

In fact Mercedes has for many years now pioneered technology in their higher end vehicles that later end up on more mainstream brands.

While we're on the subject Mercedes invented the first car, held the first auto race, made the first honeycomb radiator, the first multi valve engine, the first super charged engine (in 1921), the first four wheel independent suspension, the first crumple zones back in 1959.

They have put innovations into their vehicles that other manufacturers simply didn't have.

So to write it off as a branding thing is just factually incorrect.

And how do I know? I've owned 15 cars since I learned to drive, and for my job I usually end up driving at least 3-4 rental cars each month. Plus I research. So I'd say I have quite a lot of first hand and second hand experience with cars. It is absolutely ridiculous to try and make the claim that cars are all the same and you're just paying for a badge.

If people just wanted the best car, I bet you the Hyundai Equus is probably just as good or better than a Benz but of course people want the Benz name and I agree with them. If I was gonna pay 100k on a car, I WANT people to know that I can afford such a car instead of getting that Hyundai Benz knockoff.

Nothing wrong with Hyundai. My wife just got one in fact, and we drove every car in its class, and it was the best value proposition in her price range.

That said, an Equus is not going to hold a candle the the Benz. As Edmunds put it, as they gave it a B grade, "Interior quality and driving experience don't equal those of more elite luxury sedans; disappointing braking distances; all-wheel drive is not offered."

Edmunds gave the S-Class an A grade stating, "Unparalleled blend of luxury and technology; incredible ride comfort; effortless acceleration; endless safety and entertainment features; opulent cabin."

Or are you claiming that a car review company was just seduced by the badge and are too stupid to know better?

And yes, the majority of women don't like tech stuff other than having an iphone. I see it everyday at the gym, the guys all have their bluetooth headsets on for music or talking and the girl got the phone stuck to the ear. Same when I'm driving, I use my car's bluetooth connection to talk and the women I see on the road have the phone placed on their ear. Seriously, I don't think I ever even seen a women use a bluetooth head piece yet, I'm sure they exist somewhere out in the wild, I just never saw it.

I'm not really going to address your misogynist opinion that women 'don't like tech stuff.' I'll accept that they may approach technology differently to men as a very sweeping generalization. Time will tell if women like the Apple Watch, but I don't think your view of the percentage of women that use bluetooth headsets is going to have any bearing on that.

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Don't they sell Apple products at Walmart?

Yes, but I don't expect to see an Apple Edition there any time soon.
 
Tell ya what, whilst you're all busy obsessing over the Apple watch, I'll take the girl :D
 
Ok ok, how 'bout we have Mac rumors and not fashion ones?

It's made in china ffs, it's not premium. A nice swiss, hand made by quality qualified watch maker s premium. Not a mass produced item from china made of every day materials.

Apple does not = premium
 
So I belong to a very large fashion forum where (mostly) women discuss designer clothes, jewelry, hand bags and more. There has been zero interest in the apple watch. Mostly people who buy designer stuff expect things to last for years and may justify buying a purse for $10k because they can pass it down to their daughters or it tends to hold its value or something. Apple watches don't fit into that scenario. So sure Apple can go after that market but Apple needs more than 'here is this watch that will last you 2-3 years'.

I don't really agree. Those who are really into fashion wear outfits once, maybe a few times. You think women who drop $1000 or more on Christian Louboutin shoes, are going to wear them for years? How about that nice Mulberry shoulder bag that costs $1500. You think they'll be using the same one in a couple of years?

Ever seen the closet of a celebrity? They have shelves of shoes, dresses and bags that they have used once or perhaps not even at all.

In any case, I really think what Apple is doing here is quite clever. By making and marketing a $10K-$17K version of their watch which is unobtainable for most, they are changing the perception of the item from a cheap smart watch, the likes of which have never really been that desirable, and they are creating a different vibe about their product.

As was also previously discussed, their brand perception also differs in different markets, in China for example Apple has a much more luxury brand image, and gold items are prized a lot more than here in the US.

I've said it before, I think Apple did their homework on this one, and the nay sayers will be proved wrong. Feel free to swing by and laugh at me in a year if I was wrong. :rolleyes:
 
Now instead of people going to the toilet to snort Cocaine, they'll be going in there to charge up their watch.
 
I think what you meant to say was that it did not match your reality.

No way 1.2B watches (1/5 of the world) are sold yearly. It's like every child, every adult and every granma accumulate 2 watches every decade. I should have had at least six. I probably have matched these statistics when I was a child in the 80s. After 1990, I probably had just one.

Watch is jewelry. No way one will need another device to measure the time - and other stuff, but only if I have an iPhone.
 
It's made in china ffs, it's not premium. A nice swiss, hand made by quality qualified watch maker s premium. Not a mass produced item from china made of every day materials.

Apple does not = premium


You have to kind of get away from the subtle racism that implies that if something is made in China that it is garbage.

The iPhone 6 is one of the best made phones in the world, with an astonishingly high consumer satisfaction rating. I'd argue that no country on the planet could have produced that many phones, to those tolerances, in the time frame that China did.

So you can't really compare a cheap plastic kiddy toy made in China to all products made in China.

And since when is anyone comparing a $349 Apple Watch to a fine hand made Swiss timepiece? Care to tell me where I could buy a hand made fine Swiss timepiece for $349? Or even $2490? You are unfairly comparing two things that simply don't compare.
 
Tablets can replace the majority of the work for most people that previously needed a laptop. The iphone/android phones job is to replace the music players, gps, internet browser AND WATCHES among other things. I literally haven't worn a watch in almost 8 years now because the phone has all that functionality built-in, in fact I hardly see anyone carry a watch anymore. You can tell this thing is not going to be a big seller when at least half the people on the Macrumors website (which are majority Apple fanatics) aren't even that excited about it.
Every time I hear someone say that "nobody" wears watches anymore, I look around and see the same ratio virtually every time: 80% don't wear watches, 20% do. Last weekend I was at the Glendale Galleria, and I passed by four watch stores: one Rolex, one Swatch (which had been there for almost 20 years), and two whose names I can't remember. These stores have monthly leases to pay, so they're at least breaking even, but I don't think one mall would have four watch stores (never mind the mall's department stores with watch sections) if the market weren't comfortably profitable.

20% of people on the street might not seem like much, but consider here's an experiment: go out and see how many people are wearing watches, then see how many are wearing white earbuds. That should put things in perspective.
 
I'm sorry, but that watch looks so out of place in that photo, it's embarassing.

A sexy model and $20K worth of designer clothes can't elevate a wrist-mounted iPod Nano to haute couture.
 
This is the Way to Sell It.

:eek:Wow! :apple: is going to sell -tons- of these watches. The fashion magazines are going to be the factor: Once it has been "decided" that Apple's watch is fashionable, it will be very, very successful. That's what happened with the iPhone and the iPad.

The fashion trades are very, very powerful. Never underestimate the power of extreme beauty and allure (no pun intended) in the marketing of a product.

This is the way to sell it, and it will be used as an example in business school textbooks in the near future.
 
Every time I hear someone say that "nobody" wears watches anymore, I look around and see the same ratio virtually every time: 80% don't wear watches, 20% do. Last weekend I was at the Glendale Galleria, and I passed by four watch stores: one Rolex, one Swatch (which had been there for almost 20 years), and two whose names I can't remember. These stores have monthly leases to pay, so they're at least breaking even, but I don't think one mall would have four watch stores (never mind the mall's department stores with watch sections) if the market weren't comfortably profitable.

Yes, but watches are not primarily for timekeeping anymore. They are statement pieces - items chosen for an image that the owner wants to project, or simply because the owner finds them aesthetically pleasing. That's why there are thousands of watches in a dizzying array of styles - everyone has different tastes. So, the idea of an electronic device worn on the wrist just doesn't make sense. It presupposes that we WANT to "do things" with our watches, when, in fact, they are merely fashion accessories. And on that front (fashion), the Apple Watch fails. It's just ugly.
 
The big picture within the smartwatch sector will prove that Apple Watch will be a very good seller, I'm very confident of that.

Yet before jumping to conclusions I'd encourage the doubters to re-read my carefully worded prediction.

Next... In the event that Apple Watch sales aren't better than other brands, that's no problem.

Apple absolutely will do whatever's required to position the Apple Watch as a success. With nearly endless amounts of money Apple will force success upon the Apple Watch. You'll see :)
 
Yes, but watches are not primarily for timekeeping anymore. They are statement pieces - items chosen for an image that the owner wants to project, or simply because the owner finds them aesthetically pleasing. That's why there are thousands of watches in a dizzying array of styles - everyone has different tastes.
The "projecting an image" trope is a cliché that's frequently repeated, but watches are just as often worn for pragmatic reasons, including—yes—timekeeping. I've been using smartphones since 2001, but never stopped wearing watches. It's just faster and more convenient to turn my wrist than dig my phone out, especially when sitting down.

Very few of the 20% of people on the street I see wearing watches are wearing anything noteworthy, or even aesthetically pleasing. They're often just nondescript digital or quartz watches picked up at Walgreens for $30.
So, the idea of an electronic device worn on the wrist just doesn't make sense. It presupposes that we WANT to "do things" with our watches, when, in fact, they are merely fashion accessories. And on that front (fashion), the Apple Watch fails. It's just ugly.
I wouldn't presume to argue with the royal "we".
 
The big picture within the smartwatch sector will prove that Apple Watch will be a very good seller, I'm very confident of that.

Yet before jumping to conclusions I'd encourage the doubters to re-read my carefully worded prediction.

Next... In the event that Apple Watch sales aren't better than other brands, that's no problem.

Apple absolutely will do whatever's required to position the Apple Watch as a success. With nearly endless amounts of money Apple will force success upon the Apple Watch. You'll see :)

They have already started with the ads, TV spots, and it's been going on for a while before it hit TV. Now they are getting plenty of exposure with Good Morning American and more will be coming at launch time. They are going all out to convince people that they need one. And at least here, it's working.
 
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