Apple Watch Received Estimated 1 Million Pre-Orders in U.S. on April 10

[mightyjabba]

but why you're thinking "oh, all the costs are being recovered by the high volume sellers therefore, apple shouldn't charge for those things on the high end items" is beyond me..

I'm not saying that at all. I'm merely saying that the costs for making each model would appear to be more or less the same with the exception of materials. So yes, you would need special machines to handle gold, but you also need that for aluminum and steel.

 

[flat five]

I'm not saying that at all. I'm merely saying that the costs for making each model would appear to be more or less the same with the exception of materials. So yes, you would need special machines to handle gold, but you also need that for aluminum and steel.

you're right.. you do need special machines for the aluminum and steel.

but you're missing the point about volume.. a little quiz:

i am going to sell three items.. i need to buy a machine at $1000 for each item

1000 units of item A
100 units of item B
1 unit of item C

how much does each item cost to make?
(hint -- it's not $3000 ÷ 1101)

 

[wigby]

That's not success, just blind stupidity.

Who is stupid? Anyone who has bought into a day one sellout or anyone that sells out day one? Seems like your generalizations include every consumer and seller in history at one time or another.

 

[mightyjabba]

you're right.. you do need special machines for the aluminum and steel.

but you're missing the point about volume.

Point taken. We of course have no idea how much the tooling, etc. for the gold version costs.

 

[flat five]

Point taken. We of course have no idea how much the tooling, etc. for the gold version costs.

we don't need to know the exact costs to realize a low volume item is going to cost exponentially more money than a high volume item.

that's how it is.. at least in corporate world.. and last i checked, we're definitely living in a corporate world

 

[RockSpider]

they told you to buy an iphone and a mac mini.

but i suppose that's different, right?

It is different because I do research on the stuff I buy, and I normally like to try it out. Like the 2010 MacBook Air I tried, which was as slow as a snail.

I didn't buy a Mac Mini till it was a Core I7 running at 2.4ghz, I'll let other people throw their money away, I like to get value for money.

 

[Tech198]

https://medium.com/@flyosity/inconvenient-truths-about-the-apple-watch-11bafa44551b

I often wonder how true Apple is trying us make us believe... or weather this just lies.

 

[iBug2]

btw what is the least selling apple product/model?

Probably Mac Pro.

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You have it backward. If you're ever buying any and you look up the reviews online, look at the negative reviews. They are the only honest reviews.

Why is that so? No reviewer in their right mind can actually think positive about a new product? That's nonsense.

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I think it is a nice alternative to a traditional watch. It's not going to replace a Rolex, Omega etc as a high end watch, but I don't think that is the intent. Again, IMO, the watch looks much better in person. And the Edition models have an air of elegance and class, although I personally wouldn't spend that much money on a smart watch.

I think the watch did look spectacular during the WWDC keynote and the photos already. Can't wait to see it in person. And I don't see why the edition watch wouldn't replace a Rolex. A Rolex is a status symbol more than anything else and if you are walking around with the 17000$ Edition, people will know you are rich.

 

[nando87]

I think the watch did look spectacular during the WWDC keynote and the photos already. Can't wait to see it in person. And I don't see why the edition watch wouldn't replace a Rolex. A Rolex is a status symbol more than anything else and if you are walking around with the 17000$ Edition, people will know you are rich.

Yes but Rolex has more pedigree. We all know an Audi r8 v10 costs more or less the same as a v8 mid engine Ferrari, but the Ferrari has more pedigree and prestige.

That being said, it's quite normal to have a collection of watches between the high end watches buyers so the Apple watch could be one more in their collection.

 

[prowlmedia]

There's no paid Samsung shills here on macrumors. The only thing close are Apple "shills" because this is an Apple site, so there is an Apple slant. I don't know if you understand business, but companies pay reviewers to praise their own products. I have never seen a company pay people to **** on other companies' products because at the end of the day, people would still not know about their products. The so called shills here are just people that aren't brainwashed.

You are very naive I am afraid. I work Directly in adverting and create US/UK TV adverts and work on campaigns. Whist you theory 'might' work with smaller brands, this is Apple: "people would still not know about their products." Even my 80 year Grandma knows what an iPad is. So to say that a company won't neg apple as they won't 'promote' another company is redundant. 60% of Samsung Phone Advertising has been Apple bashing - The apple store queue ads for example.

Other than the fact I have worked with 2 marketing companies that use negative reinforcement via social media extensively. They use Social companies in India, South america and other places that tend to have reasonable English and they Recruit people on a per post basis. At the end of a month the agent would be able to list someones posts and they are paid based on that.

I could point you to at least 10 active on here right now, All from about 2012-Now but won't as it's against MR policy. But when you see a <10 word answer from someone in a oblique anti-apple policy have a look at their past posts... they are all the same kind of thing. Often rubbish like "At least the Samsung S5 Doesn't bend", "Wouldn't happen in Steve's Day", "Tim cook is failing".

Of course they also do product Advocacy too, but calling people on here as Brainwashed is insulting. There are many reason we may prefer OSX/iOS over windows/android. For me:

Turn on and Use day in/day out. I don't have to spend any time doing config/installs and worrying about viruses or driver issues. It's just boring.

Integration: Handoff, Airplay, All the devices play well together perfectly.

Extensible: There are hundreds of MFi supported devices that integrated it iOS. This is in no way true with Androids Fragmented system. Even the Android watch is fragmented into loads of forks now and loads of the Apps only work on the Square watches OR the Round and Vice-Versa.

 

[orbital~debris]

I liked the iPod HiFi.

While we're looking for failures, may I humbly submit the Time Capsule...

You can submit yours if you like , but my family's Time Capsule is working excellently It's a real reassurance to know that all of our photos and other content is backed up locally, automatically.

(I do realise however that there was an issue with some of the previous generation models.)

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Three You really have swallowed the hype haven't you.

I bought-into the hype, yes. And having tried-on the Watch, and used it in store (not to mention having a good idea how great the product was likely going to be, based on past experience with other Apple products), I think the hype is justified.

P. S.
One of the orders is for my fiancée - she tried to order quickly for herself but due to the slow store missed out on a launch delivery date and got June (which she's cancelled). I offered to add another order via the app, and got an earlier delivery window for her.

The other two (I ordered a 38mm and a 42mm) are for me to choose between, then cancel one.

 

[RockSpider]

No generalisation, but statistics show Apple's users are between the most affluent and educated compared to other alternatives' users, so stop that stupidity story, because it's absurd. If an Apple product convinces those more wealthy and better educated, are you sure you're evaluating properly if the stupid is not the one who refers to them as sheep?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2014/04/10/what-kind-of-person-prefers-an-iphone/

So you think standing in line for days for a phone that doesn't work all that well is a sign of affluence and intelligence, I beg to differ.

 

[nando87]

So you think standing in line for days for a phone that doesn't work all that well is a sign of affluence and intelligence, I beg to differ.

Touché

 

[RockSpider]

I.E. I don't like the watch so everyone shouldn't. Get over yourself.

It's not a matter of liking it or not, I have no idea if it's any good, and nor does anybody on this forum. Just because it's Apple doesn't make it a good product, just an expensive one.

 

[flat five]

It's not a matter of liking it or not, I have no idea if it's any good, and nor does anybody on this forum. Just because it's Apple doesn't make it a good product, just an expensive one.

regardless of all that, what prompts you to go online and enter a thread just to call everyone in the thread stupid?

do you think the people reading your posts are going "oh, wow.. that guy seems really smart!" ?

 

[AppleScruff1]

I think the watch did look spectacular during the WWDC keynote and the photos already. Can't wait to see it in person. And I don't see why the edition watch wouldn't replace a Rolex. A Rolex is a status symbol more than anything else and if you are walking around with the 17000$ Edition, people will know you are rich.

I don't see people who like a higher end traditional watch giving it up for a smart watch, if it was me, I'd own both. I don't see the heirloom value in a piece of tech, but that's just me.

If you think the watch looked great in the photos, you will be more than pleased when you see it in person. The pictures did nothing for me, but in person it's quite nice. IMO, the watch has the best build quality and attention to detail of any Apple product yet. I'd love to see a SS iPhone now that I've seen the aluminum and SS watches side buy side!

 

[dotnet]

You can submit yours if you like , but my family's Time Capsule is working excellently It's a real reassurance to know that all of our photos and other content is backed up locally, automatically.

Oh, I like and use Time Machine, just not the slow as molasses TimeCapsule. I'm using my Synology NAS as Time Machine drive.

 

[MacVista]

Awesome thread. MacRumors at its best.

 

[ginkobiloba]

You are very naive I am afraid. I work Directly in adverting and create US/UK TV adverts and work on campaigns. Whist you theory 'might' work with smaller brands, this is Apple: "people would still not know about their products." Even my 80 year Grandma knows what an iPad is. So to say that a company won't neg apple as they won't 'promote' another company is redundant. 60% of Samsung Phone Advertising has been Apple bashing - The apple store queue ads for example.

Other than the fact I have worked with 2 marketing companies that use negative reinforcement via social media extensively. They use Social companies in India, South america and other places that tend to have reasonable English and they Recruit people on a per post basis. At the end of a month the agent would be able to list someones posts and they are paid based on that.

I could point you to at least 10 active on here right now, All from about 2012-Now but won't as it's against MR policy. But when you see a <10 word answer from someone in a oblique anti-apple policy have a look at their past posts... they are all the same kind of thing. Often rubbish like "At least the Samsung S5 Doesn't bend", "Wouldn't happen in Steve's Day", "Tim cook is failing".

Of course they also do product Advocacy too, but calling people on here as Brainwashed is insulting. There are many reason we may prefer OSX/iOS over windows/android. For me:

Turn on and Use day in/day out. I don't have to spend any time doing config/installs and worrying about viruses or driver issues. It's just boring.

Integration: Handoff, Airplay, All the devices play well together perfectly.

Extensible: There are hundreds of MFi supported devices that integrated it iOS. This is in no way true with Androids Fragmented system. Even the Android watch is fragmented into loads of forks now and loads of the Apps only work on the Square watches OR the Round and Vice-Versa.

Not everyone thinks in a binary manner . Life isn't binary : "You're either Apple brainwhashed or a Samsung paid shill". One can prefer Apple products to others and still be critical when they ****-up . In fact some Apple fans can be even more critical due to the fact that they take it all too seriously or have serious emotional attachment to the brand. Some people are furious at Apple not because they dislike Apple ( or are "Samsung shills") but because they hold Apple to a very ( maybe too high ) standard.

Some of the blunders Apple make are just daily usual routine for some other companies, and no one cares, maybe because one doesn't expect much from them anyway. But they become big dramas when it's Apple, precisely because Apple users (especially long time users ) expect much more than from , say, Acer or Samsung.

In a way it's both a blessing and a curse for Apple.

PS: Can't remember wich company CEO once said something like " Windows users are happy/satisfied when their new PC is just working. Apple users are disappointed when their new product isn't a new revolution"

New Windows doesn't crash ? : Good job Microsoft !
New Apple iThing not a massive revolution ?: Total FAIL Apple !

PS: not to say that there is no such thing as paid social media shills, but just to nuance your post a bit.
PS2 : Windows users, please don't hit me with a stick, I know Windows isn't the massive crash-happy OS it was before anymore.. It's a nicer OS now, just not OSX nice

 

[3282869]

1 - No and nor does Rolex - 60% mark up on those. About 90% on the steel ones.

This is such utter b.s. Rolex's hold their value and appreciate. There are no "markup" values at 60-90%, if so please list [credible] sources to cover such a blanket statement. If you have ever owned a Rolex you would know just how difficult it is to hand assemble each watch with the mechanics as fine as a strand of hair in some instances. Rolex's are investment timepieces with a solid reputation and top quality materials, build and designs. To state they're marked up 90% is absurd.

 

[MacVista]

"health tracking and steps" etc.

Power of data collection is formidable and addictive.

When I takes off the Apple Watch and put on the Rolex, I lose the data for the duration.

At some point it is a decision what's "worth more"? The data? Or wearing a Rolex?

You have two wrists. It's only a matter of time people will start wearing both.
A marketing success story.

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I think in 3 years Apple's WATCH will be truly a device that's hard to pass.
Thin, light, sexy, long-lasting battery, full of features and, perhaps, inexpensive.

 

[ginkobiloba]

"health tracking and steps" etc.

Power of data collection is formidable and addictive.

When I takes off the Apple Watch and put on the Rolex, I lose the data for the duration.

At some point it is a decision what's "worth more"? The data? Or wearing a Rolex?

This why my crystal ball predicts that Apple may license it's WatchOS to a few select watchmakers in the future. It could be the only time and the only product where they would do that. That way you will have your cake and eat it too.
I'm also a traditional watch lover, and generaly dislike electronic watches. I saw the Watch upclose and it's beautiful, more than any other smartwatch. Just not Breitling/Blancpain kind of beautiful... BUT they won't give you the functionalities of the aWatch. And no, Im' not going to wear a watch on each wrist...
So... one can dream about some sort of dual/hybrid mechanical/electronic watch.

 

[flat five]

You have two wrists. It's only a matter of time people will start wearing both.
A marketing success story.

anyone remember the 80s ?

 

[prowlmedia]

This is such utter b.s. Rolex's hold their value and appreciate. There are no "markup" values at 60-90%, if so please list [credible] sources to cover such a blanket statement. If you have ever owned a Rolex you would know just how difficult it is to hand assemble each watch with the mechanics as fine as a strand of hair in some instances. Rolex's are investment timepieces with a solid reputation and top quality materials, build and designs. To state they're marked up 90% is absurd.

I used to see them in my families jewellers in Knightsbridge. Retail markup is 40% alone. I am well aware of the complexities of Mass produced 'hand made' swiss watches. And without a shadow of a doubt an older model Rolex in Steel has a massive total markup. Sure new models like the new Oysters and movements do not get anywhere near that markup.

 

[Judas1]

So how much did Samsung pay you to dish Apple shills on here?

LOl. Yes, I'm a Samsung shill working pro bono. Get real.