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What people need to do is to demand Apple not to make the non-LTE version sub-standard (with just a composite back). Both non-LTE and LTE watches should have been built with the same material, as they both carry the same model number, Series 3.

They're not making it substandard. Composite back has always been the standard for the aluminium watches. What they're doing is throwing in an extra goodie (ceramic back) for people who shell out for LTE aluminium watches, to provide better value for money and entice people to go LTE.
 
With the AT&T example posted, $2.89 of the total fees is nothing more than the company charging the customer what the state and feds are charging them. As a customer of Verizon, I am not opposed to paying a small fee, not to mention the state and gubmint taxes. I dislike all the extra fees that AT&T, Verizon and the like through in, as if they are thrust upon them and they have no choice.

I am counting on my fellow watch buyers to let the carrier hear about their disdain for the fee gouging. With enough pressure, I think the big carriers will come down in price.

Surcharges and other fees of $2.89 is completely discretionary (and made up) by AT&T. The $1.50 part is the unavoidable government charges. That said, if you pay AT&T $10 a month anyway they could choose to absorb the $1.50 regardless and still charge a flat $10 monthly reoccurring charge.
 
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LOL @ Australia where you pay $3,499 AUD for a 15" MBP, which equates to $2,681 USD, while we pay $2,399 for the same device. For the additional $367.96 AUD that you pay for the exact same product, we can buy AppleCare, which offers longer and better coverage than you're offered with your warranty, and still have money left over.

And on products we don't feel the need for a longer warranty, we get to save several hundred dollars over you.

Have fun paying more than we do for everything.

Australian prices include a 10% tax, US prices don’t. Apple do not charge us any extra and we get 3 year warranty, simply because our government has enacted stronger consumer laws.

And if you own a business, you don’t pay that 10% tax anyway.
 
Yes, it’s illegal for companies to add tax or other fees to prices. Companies need to work it out and price correctly. There’s no reason the USA couldn’t do this if people demanded it.

Yeah, it is always best to hide taxes and government fees so that people don't know that there is a hidden tax/cost embedded in the price. Transparency like that is never a good thing.

/sarcasm
 
Before the Series 3 was released all of MacRumors was nothing but: "LTE is a must! I will not buy it without LTE. LTE is a 100% requirement!"

Now that the Series 3 is out, MacRumors is nothing but: "Why in the world would anyone need LTE on their watch? Totally pointless!"

I think it is fair to assume that these two types of complaints came/come from different, largely non-overlapping camps. However, it is probably best to ignore both since the majority of these people appear to be nothing but compulsive whingers.
 
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The cost to add a watch to a wireless plan is a joke. It's worth no more than $5 a month, tops. I'm already paying for the data, it shouldn't matter which device I use it on. I always have my phone, so just like my iPad, I won't be adding a watch to my wireless bill.

But Apple dongles are worth $29.
 
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Watch LTE & data is the worst deal in technology you can't even browse the internet if you wanted to.

I don't know about worst deal. For an extra $5 per month (in most countries), with LTE the watch can do (almost) everything it would normally do via the phone – without the phone.
 
Streaming LTE is a significant battery hog. I should be able to complete a marathon with battery life to spare provided you don't stream. I've not had an issue downloading music to my AW S2. Just select a playlist, add songs, and come back later and they are queued up. I do use this feature.
I know a few runners that wear their Garmin for race data and the Apple Watch for general communications. I know it's ridiculous to have to wear both, but they do saving the Apple watch from burning through GPS power.
I'm not disagreeing with you that it's not there yet, but there is a workable solution. Admittedly most marathon runners I know don't think AW is the best choice because of the batter life.
Also, most of them train at much less than marathon distances on a regular basis, so they're usually only doing the full 26.6 on race days and maybe one or two training runs.

I think "workable" solution = wearing two watches is worse than if I just bring the darn iPhone with my in a belt pouch like a flip belt where I don't feel or see it anyway. I agree with everything you said but still feel it is further away for runners than you suggest, the GPS only lasts 5 hrs (I believe with optical HR on) assuming you use the watch for NOTHING else, don't bluetooth stream music (I'm not talking LTE, I'm talking even downloaded) or anything because it will be less than 5 hours. As it stands 5 hours will cover many but not all marathon runners and it will leave you will precious little margin.

Look, I'm a runner, a slow one. I've run about a dozen half marathons but never a full and have used Garmin watches for a decade, including the newest Fenix 5. I'm switching back to the Apple Watch Series 3 because it fits my *limited* running needs (I want optical, GPS, a decent display of metrics while running. I don't need a lot of training options etc.) while being way better on the notifications than the Garmin. That said I wouldn't dream of relying on my new AW3 for a run of over 1-2 hours as my source of everything... connectivity, LTE music streaming, GPS, optical HR, emergency call resource etc. because the battery is too limited so I plan on doing what I always do, bringing my iPhone with me and leveraging the AW as a conduit to the iPhone. I will be using a SS model so it has LTE and I know that should my iPhone fail me, I forget it etc. I will still be protected by the fact the 911 emergency call feature still works even without a paid subscription.
 
So people who bought a cellular Apple Watch ($399+) are complaining about cellular data plans that cost $0.40/day? I must be missing something.

Well, if you upgrade every 3 years it doubles the price of the watch at that same $399.
 
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Well, you certainly wrote a lot but you also made a bunch of assumptions about me. I'm merely arguing that they should have to price things like they do at T-Mobile or overseas: The fees are included in the price so the number they quote you is what you actually pay. I don't think that's unreasonable. I disagree with your assertion about the necessity of technology; it is becoming more and more necessary for living in the modern world. For many jobs you need to be accessible at all times, be able to check emails, etc. For people with certain medical issues or sometimes traverse unsafe areas, it is important to always be able to call for help. Like a lot of other necessary things, customers cannot always choose to abstain or boycott. I realize this isn't the case with the watch, as it is a companion device, but I maintain that the desire to make the market equitable for the customer should not lie exclusively with the customer. We should exercise both our power as consumers as well as be able to pressure our elected officials for policy that benefits us.
 
After reading this I am returning mine...$10 was my cap, not a penny more. Scew you Verizon!
 
They're not making it substandard. Composite back has always been the standard for the aluminium watches. What they're doing is throwing in an extra goodie (ceramic back) for people who shell out for LTE aluminium watches, to provide better value for money and entice people to go LTE.
Aluminum series 2 has ceramic back.
 
50 years later, and somethings haven't changed -- everyone still hates the phone company. It doesn't seem to matter who it is, we hate them all. This reminds me of this dialog exchange from the 1967 movie The President's Analyst:

Dr. Sidney Schaefer: You know, one thing I learned from my patients... they all hate the phone company. It's interesting; even the stock holders of the phone company hate the phone company!

V.I. Kydor Kropotkin: I know. Bedouins hate the phone company. Matter of fact, I've never been in a country where everybody didn't hate the phone company.
And yet the same people keep voting for politicians who are supporting those telcos. How ironic.
 
Honestly don't think I'd even want to own a watch with a cellular radio. The new studies and the guidelines California just put out regarding the cancer-causing properties of cellular radiation would make me think twice before having a cellular signal emanating from my wrist all day.
 
Not to mention international calling which requires a separate plan on that Apple Watch special line.
The watch takes a while to get on the LTE network whenever it goes away from WiFi network.
In short - not worth it at all!




When the Apple Watch Series 3 first launched, carriers in the United States and other countries where the LTE version of the device is available offered three free months of service and waived activation fees.

That fee-free grace period is coming to an end, and customers are getting their first bills that include the $10 per month service charge.

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If you have an Apple Watch Series 3 with LTE functionality, you've probably already learned that $10 is not all it's going to cost per month. On carriers like AT&T and Verizon, there are additional service charges and fees, which means it's not $10 per month for an Apple Watch, it's more like $12-$14.

On Verizon in California, for example, there's an additional $1.55 in fees on top of the $10 per month charge.

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On AT&T in North Carolina, fees and surcharges add an additional $4.39 to the $10 per month charge, bringing the total to almost $15 per month for an Apple Watch. In some states, these fees on Verizon and AT&T are even higher.

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If you're planning to avoid fees by deactivating service and activating again when it's needed, that may not be the best plan of action. As Macworld's Michael Simon points out, line activation fees that come with reactivation can be hefty.

Though the Apple Watch Series 3 is linked to the cellular number of the iPhone on a given carrier, it requires adding an additional line to a cellular service account. When you cancel and re-add a line, there's an activation fee involved. On Verizon, for example, if you deactivate the Apple Watch Series 3 and then want to activate it again at a later date, there's a $25 charge. Suspending service doesn't work, as it requires a $10/month fee, aside from a one-time 30 day free suspension on Verizon. From Macworld:Like Verizon, AT&T charges $25, while Sprint charges $30. T-Mobile no longer charges activation fees, so it may be more affordable to cancel and reinstate service if you're a T-Mobile subscriber.

On AT&T and Verizon, though, that $25 re-activation fee is the cost of two months of service, or close to it, when taxes and fees are included, meaning it's not really worthwhile to start and stop service if you're going to do it more than once or twice a year.

Macworld was also told that if he stopped and started service he could run into problems when attempting to reactivate the watch, but it's not entirely clear why.

With the three-month grace period, most Apple Watch owners have likely learned whether or not the $10-$15 per month fees are worth the freedom of an always-on wrist-worn cellular connection. Neither Apple nor the carriers in the United States were fully upfront about the additional service fees and taxes and the hassle involved with deactivation/reactivation, though, so there are bound to be some users who will feel tricked when the first full Series 3 bill comes in.

Article Link: Apple Watch Series 3 Costs More Than $10/Month on Most Carriers, Can't Be Reactivated Without Fees
 
Australian prices include a 10% tax, US prices don’t. Apple do not charge us any extra and we get 3 year warranty, simply because our government has enacted stronger consumer laws.

And if you own a business, you don’t pay that 10% tax anyway.

No state in the US has a tax rate of 10%. All are lower, with some states not charging sales tax at all.

It's awesome you have some consumer laws. Great job. Some are also cool with shorter warranties and more money in their pockets. Even without the 10% tax, you're still paying more for the exact same product as those in the US.
 
Yet another thread dedicated to whinning. Folks always whine before an apple product is introduced, making demands as to what they expect, what they want. Then they whine after the launch for the things they wanted and did not get. This always happens, always. it just seems like people are never happy with what has been presented, whoch tomme is always well designed, well thought out and pretty much has some breat features.

As far as the fees, come on, if you got a series 3 you knew for sure there was a $10.00 fee per month for having this feature. If for some reason you thought for some silly reason that by adding another device to your account you would not also be adding the associated state, federal and regulatory fees as well, then thats just plain stupidity on your part.

We all have choices here. Those who have the series 3 and are happy are just going to pay the damm fees cause thats what i signed up for. Tnose who have the 3 and don't want to pay can certainly turn the feature off, which to me seems silly. You should just sell it and go to the GPS model or back to the series 2. No more fees!

I actually have 2, a 38mm & 42mm so I'm paying double and I do because I like having this feature. Would I like lower fees sure, do I think they suck, you bet! But the bottom line here is I signed up for it and if it had not worked as well as it did and does I would have tossed it months ago before the fees kicked in.

Any way I'm not whining just sick of seeing threads dedicated to moaning and groaning!
 
Someone should create a Poll as to how many canceled their LTE service on their Apple Watch 3 LTE model. I ended up canceling mine as it was an extra charge on a unit that I didn't end up using.
 
Well, if you upgrade every 3 years it doubles the price of the watch at that same $399.

Which would be the nature of the product if you use it for that cellular feature. Do we not expect mobile phones to multiply in cost after the initial hardware purchase?
 
FWIW, and my opinion isn’t even worth 2 cents nowadays, I get free LTE for 6 months on my AW3, and yet I’m still considering cancelling the service soon because it’s not as useful as I thought it was.

Also, 4G drains the battery like crazy even when I’m NOT using the watch for anything special (no sports or other features) in an area with a strong 4G signal. I don’t even have mobile data enabled in settings.

Over the last 3 weeks, I have found only one situation in which the LTE was useful, and that was at the swimming pool with my 2 year old daughter, and didn’t bring my phone because I’ve had one stolen from a swimming pool.

Anyway, I may keep it until May since it costs me nothing, but I may very well cancel the service by January/February.
 
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There will be a point where you will be able to have any device on your wireless plan like you would your wifi unit. Right now we're in the mid-nighties as far as charging for every single different setup. Kind of like how we used to be charged by minute of talking long distance.
Yeah. But why would you ever use that thing instead of a normal iPhone. I don’t think if I’m surfing or skiing or biking or something without my phone that I would want to use a watch to answer calls. I’m doing those things to get away from all that noise
 
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