Apple Watch Series 3 LTE Radiation

[LincolnsiPod]

Is anyone concerned about LTE on an Apple Watch? From what I understand Bluetooth has about 1/1000 the radiation level of LTE, so having that kind of powerful signal strapped on your skin seems worrisome.

I've been googling to see if I can get some hard info on this, but you know how it is, sensational studies with flawed methodologies and not enough in the way of peer reviewed research to shed enough light on this. I'd like to upgrade but I'd likely go with the bluetooth only model for peace of mind.

 

[shyam09]

There isn't enough research done on this yet. That being said, we keep our phones in our pockets, have them close to us while we sleep, bring them close to our brain during phone calls, etc. That being said, you can get the LTE model, and just turn LTE off / on as you need it.

 

[LincolnsiPod]

There isn't enough research done on this yet. That being said, we keep our phones in our pockets, have them close to us while we sleep, bring them close to our brain during phone calls, etc. That being said, you can get the LTE model, and just turn LTE off / on as you need it.

Oh yeah, it didn't even occur to me that I could simply just turn it off and keep it off. I feel better now because I really wanted the ceramic.

 

[J.C]

I'm not too concerned. Although there is some possibility of risk, the watch face is the antenna so isn't really any closer to my body than the phone is when it's in my jeans pocket, adjacent to my genitals. Also, keep in mind that Apple will have configured the watch to only use it's internal LTE networking when the iPhone is not around. Any time you have your phone with you it will be receiving notifications via Bluetooth to save on battery.

 

[44267547]

Truthfully, I don't think this is any different then we using our cell phones every day and holding them close to our heads for phone calls. And I imagine Apple Watch LTE is not going to be any more detrimental than using the iPhone.

 

[edhchoe]

Will i get wrist cancer?

 

[risenphoenixkai]

LTE transmissions are carried in the microwave range of frequencies.

Microwaves are not ionising radiation.

Low energy non-ionising radiation passes through the body without being absorbed. As far as it’s concerned, we’re not even there.

Despite what some crackpots or people peddling 21st century snake oil would like you to believe, LTE transmissions pose no health risk whatsoever.

Gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet light, alpha and beta emissions, and neutron flux are all very bad for you (some far more so than others). Microwave radiation doesn’t do anything to you unless you’re standing right in front of an activated high-power antenna rig and letting it cook you.

Source: I’m a former health physics technician and radiation worker heavily trained in the particulars of radiation and its effects on the human body.

 

[christarp]

LTE transmissions are carried in the microwave range of frequencies.

Microwaves are not ionising radiation.

Low energy non-ionising radiation passes through the body without being absorbed. As far as it’s concerned, we’re not even there.

Despite what some crackpots or people peddling 21st century snake oil would like you to believe, LTE transmissions pose no health risk whatsoever.

Gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet light, alpha and beta emissions, and neutron flux are all very bad for you (some far more so than others). Microwave radiation doesn’t do anything to you unless you’re standing right in front of an activated high-power antenna rig and letting it cook you.

Source: I’m a former health physics technician and radiation worker heavily trained in the particulars of radiation and its effects on the human body.

one of the better explanations of this. It's harmless.

 

[iamMacPerson]

LTE transmissions are carried in the microwave range of frequencies.

Microwaves are not ionising radiation.

Low energy non-ionising radiation passes through the body without being absorbed. As far as it’s concerned, we’re not even there.

Despite what some crackpots or people peddling 21st century snake oil would like you to believe, LTE transmissions pose no health risk whatsoever.

Gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet light, alpha and beta emissions, and neutron flux are all very bad for you (some far more so than others). Microwave radiation doesn’t do anything to you unless you’re standing right in front of an activated high-power antenna rig and letting it cook you.

Source: I’m a former health physics technician and radiation worker heavily trained in the particulars of radiation and its effects on the human body.

I remember this question coming up back when the watch first launch and had to keep telling people the same thing: it’s NON-IONISING. All cellular signals are on the microwave bands. This is why they sometimes are interfered with when a nearby microwave is on. If there is no link between your WiFi router and cancer, or microwaved food and cancer, you’ll be fine.

 

[GoFlex]

What about Bluetooth though?? Microchip next to your head.

 

[matrix07]

LTE transmissions are carried in the microwave range of frequencies.

Microwaves are not ionising radiation.

Low energy non-ionising radiation passes through the body without being absorbed. As far as it’s concerned, we’re not even there.

Despite what some crackpots or people peddling 21st century snake oil would like you to believe, LTE transmissions pose no health risk whatsoever.

Gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet light, alpha and beta emissions, and neutron flux are all very bad for you (some far more so than others). Microwave radiation doesn’t do anything to you unless you’re standing right in front of an activated high-power antenna rig and letting it cook you.

Source: I’m a former health physics technician and radiation worker heavily trained in the particulars of radiation and its effects on the human body.

How about Bluetooth?

 

[risenphoenixkai]

How about Bluetooth?

What about Bluetooth though?? Microchip next to your head.

Bluetooth is in the radio frequency range. Even lower-energy than LTE.

 

[betabeta]

I believe what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger! Our bodies are being bombarded with all kinds of dangerous things, like every breath you take is causing damage, oxygen is a free radical that causes damage. “everything” you eat turns to sugar, blood sugar levels even low ones cause damage to the delicate blood vessels and your organs.

I’m not saying it’s completely harmless, it does cause “changes” to cells, but so does The Sun, so does a lot of things, changes are not always bad, but sometimes it’s actually good...just sometimes repair goes haywire.

I don’t know, I just don’t worry about things anymore, worry will do much worse things to you. I know people who smoked and drank and lived to 90 without ever seeing a doctor never ever worried about anything, used pesticides, chemicals, nothing seem to bother them and they were tough as nails. But they were real happy and never worried or get upset. I know other people worry, get mad all the time and try to do all the right things drop dead at 40.

Don’t worry, be happy and love everyone

 

[echo44]

LTE transmissions are carried in the microwave range of frequencies.

Microwaves are not ionising radiation.

Low energy non-ionising radiation passes through the body without being absorbed. As far as it’s concerned, we’re not even there.

Despite what some crackpots or people peddling 21st century snake oil would like you to believe, LTE transmissions pose no health risk whatsoever.

Gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet light, alpha and beta emissions, and neutron flux are all very bad for you (some far more so than others). Microwave radiation doesn’t do anything to you unless you’re standing right in front of an activated high-power antenna rig and letting it cook you.

Source: I’m a former health physics technician and radiation worker heavily trained in the particulars of radiation and its effects on the human body.

As myself someone who studies mri physics which also uses radiowaves to flip protons not everything stated above is true. It is true that radiowaves do not result in ionizing radiation. In other words they do not alter the atomic structure by displacing electrons. They however (radiowaves) can result in friction between molecules and they can affect biological tissue through heating effects. When people undergo mri scans using fast changing echo gradients it can and often does result in elevated temperatures of biologic tissues. There is theoretical risk that these effects could be detrimental to nuclear material such as DNA. The bottom line is at this time there is no convincing evidence that radiowaves at the microwave frequencies at the strength used in cell phone signals is detrimental. However that being said there are several respected studies that have appeared recently in the literature which may refute the "absolute" safety . If you want to learn more google an article that appeared in scientific America investigating this very issue. I think as of now the answer is we're not 100 clear yet if any detrimental effects can or are occurring, the most important thing to realize is there are plenty of more significantly detrimental agents in the environment including the chemicals that you put on your body that you should probably be more concerned about.

PS I currently use RF to destroy tumors in the body using RF as well as Microwave so for those who say "harmless" Not always true. Depends on the energy delivered and proximity.

This quote is from cancer.org
"A study by the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) exposed groups of lab rats to types of RF energy used in cell phones. The rats were exposed for about 9 hours a day, starting before birth and continuing for up to 2 years. Partial findings from this study showed increased (although still low) risks of brain and heart tumors in male rats exposed to RF radiation, although there was no increased risk among female rats. Some aspects of this study make it hard to know what these results might mean for people, but the results add evidence to the idea that RF radiation might potentially impact human health."

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

There isn't enough research done on this yet. That being said, we keep our phones in our pockets, have them close to us while we sleep, bring them close to our brain during phone calls, etc. That being said, you can get the LTE model, and just turn LTE off / on as you need it.

+1

With the way my first born child is driving me crazy right now I've got my phone in my pocket 24/7 next to my balls trying to kill off any and all of his seedling brethren.

 

[risenphoenixkai]

I currently use RF to destroy tumors in the body using RF as well as Microwave so for those who say "harmless" Not always true. Depends on the energy delivered and proximity.

I said as much in my original post. Yes, a powerful enough microwave or radio signal will result in biological damage. Stand in close proximity to an active cell phone tower or a radar dish for long enough, and you'll be a TV dinner. The radio waves emitted by handheld devices like cellphones and smartwatches are several orders of magnitude less powerful, and well below the threshold necessary to cause any detectable alterations to human tissue.

 

[throAU]

Is anyone concerned about LTE on an Apple Watch? From what I understand Bluetooth has about 1/1000 the radiation level of LTE, so having that kind of powerful signal strapped on your skin seems worrisome.

I've been googling to see if I can get some hard info on this, but you know how it is, sensational studies with flawed methodologies and not enough in the way of peer reviewed research to shed enough light on this. I'd like to upgrade but I'd likely go with the bluetooth only model for peace of mind.

Q:
Do you put your phone in your pocket?
Do you ever not use hands-free on your phone?

 

[booksbooks]

I've been thinking about this too. Every iPhone I believe has come with disclaimers to effectively not use the phone functionality directly against the skin.

Here is an interesting page on Apple's site for the iPhone 7 regarding radiation testing:

To reduce exposure to RF energy, use a hands-free option, such as the built-in speakerphone, the supplied headphones, or other similar accessories.

https://www.apple.com/legal/rfexposure/iphone9,3/en/
[doublepost=1505448139][/doublepost]I found this quite interesting (still need to check studies, etc., so take this with a grain of salt, but somewhat concerning):

"How Does RF Cause Cellular Damage?
RF is a non-ionizing type of radiation, meaning it does not break chemical bonds. Within current FCC exposure guidelines, it is generally believed to not produce sufficient heat to cause damage tissue. There is some research12 showing non-uniform absorption of RF and temperatures as high as 6 degrees higher in the hotspots, which refutes this assumption.

It is on this fact that most safety claims are hinged. However, RF appears to be able to cause damage in other ways. In a recent Scientific American interview, Jerry Phillips, Ph.D., a biochemist and Director of the Excel Science Center at the University of Colorado explained how living cells react to RF radiation:13

"The signal couples with those cells, although nobody really knows what the nature of that coupling is. Some effects of that reaction can be things like movement of calcium across membranes, the production of free radicals or a change in the expression of genes in the cell.

Suddenly important proteins are being expressed at times and places and in amounts that they shouldn't be, and that has a dramatic effect on the function of the cells. And some of these changes are consistent with what's seen when cells undergo conversion from normal to malignant."

When you consider the fact that your body is bioelectric, it's easier to understand how and why biological damage from wireless phones might occur.14 For starters, your body uses electrons to communicate, and inside every cell are mitochondria, the power plants of the cell, and these mitochondria can be adversely impacted by electromagnetic fields, resulting in cellular dysfunction. Other mechanisms of harm have also been discovered in recent years."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/06/15/cell-phone-radiation-effects.aspx

 

[edhchoe]

If anything, we are all in it together, slowly dying.
Tim cook is leading the way for us.

 

[booksbooks]

If anything, we are all in it together, slowly dying.
Tim cook is leading the way for us.

This is serious. How can Apple do this product when they have clearly told people not to use an iPhone against the body when the radio is active like on a phone call?

I imagine the signal in the Watch is weaker, and its SAR rating will be lower than the iPhone, but still...

 

[edhchoe]

RF radiation is no joke. I may get a wrist cancer from a LTE/wifi smartwatch.

 

[risenphoenixkai]

Here is an interesting page on Apple's site for the iPhone 7 regarding radiation testing:

To reduce exposure to RF energy, use a hands-free option, such as the built-in speakerphone, the supplied headphones, or other similar accessories.

https://www.apple.com/legal/rfexposure/iphone9,3/en/

I like how you cherry-picked this bit while ignoring virtually all of the other text on the page, including the fact that RF emissions from the iPhone 7 have been thoroughly tested by Apple are well under the maximum acceptable Specific Absorption Rates.

"The signal couples with those cells, although nobody really knows what the nature of that coupling is. Some effects of that reaction can be things like movement of calcium across membranes, the production of free radicals or a change in the expression of genes in the cell.

Suddenly important proteins are being expressed at times and places and in amounts that they shouldn't be, and that has a dramatic effect on the function of the cells. And some of these changes are consistent with what's seen when cells undergo conversion from normal to malignant."

When you consider the fact that your body is bioelectric, it's easier to understand how and why biological damage from wireless phones might occur.14 For starters, your body uses electrons to communicate, and inside every cell are mitochondria, the power plants of the cell, and these mitochondria can be adversely impacted by electromagnetic fields, resulting in cellular dysfunction. Other mechanisms of harm have also been discovered in recent years."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/06/15/cell-phone-radiation-effects.aspx

Mercola is a well-known and notorious quack, and his site peddles psuedoscientific nonsense. Including this article.

 

[edhchoe]

I like how you cherry-picked this bit while ignoring virtually all of the other text on the page, including the fact that RF emissions from the iPhone 7 have been thoroughly tested by Apple are well under the maximum acceptable Specific Absorption Rates.



Mercola is a well-known and notorious quack, and his site peddles psuedoscientific nonsense. Including this article.

But the evidence of the woman whose breast cancer shape matches the shape of her cellphone is alarming.

 

[booksbooks]

I like how you cherry-picked this bit while ignoring virtually all of the other text on the page, including the fact that RF emissions from the iPhone 7 have been thoroughly tested by Apple are well under the maximum acceptable Specific Absorption Rates.



Mercola is a well-known and notorious quack, and his site peddles psuedoscientific nonsense. Including this article.

First, I don't claim it's conclusive. I also didn't know it's known as a quack resource.

1. The biochemistry makes some sense in terms of what that site explains. What specifically is wrong with it?
2. Second, you state that the SAR rating is well under the maximum acceptable for the iPhone. You're actually not saying anything nor advancing things. The reason is simple: it doesn't matter that they're well within the maximum. First, even with this result, they tell you not to use the phone against your body when, say, making phone calls. So if this SAR rating was so safe, why would Apple tell you that? Second, Apple's iPhone 7 appears to be very high on the SAR scale in relation to some other smartphones.

Is this study quackery?

Federal scientists released partial findings Friday from a $25-million animal study that tested the possibility of links between cancer and chronic exposure to the type of radiation emitted from cell phones and wireless devices. The findings, which chronicle an unprecedented number of rodents subjected to a lifetime of electromagnetic radiation starting in utero, present some of the strongest evidence to date that such exposure is associated with the formation of rare cancers in at least two cell types in the brains and hearts of rats. The results, which were posted on a prepublication Web site run by Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, are poised to reignite controversy about how such everyday exposure might affect human health.

“This is by far—far and away—the most carefully done cell phone bioassay, a biological assessment. This is a classic study that is done for trying to understand cancers in humans,” says Christopher Portier, a retired head of the NTP who helped launch the study and still sometimes works for the federal government as a consultant scientist. “There will have to be a lot of work after this to assess if it causes problems in humans, but the fact that you can do it in rats will be a big issue. It actually has me concerned, and I’m an expert.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...e-radiation-study-reignites-cancer-questions/

 

[iFan83]

You guys seriously keep your cell phone in your pocket at all times? when I'm home its on a table and away from me, its away from me when I sleep, if I'm working at a desk I keep it on the desk. I try to keep my cell phone not on me, I surely wouldn't want a cellular Apple Watch strapped to my wrist all day. I do feel having a cell phone on you at all times isn't a good thing for you.