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Thats like saying don't worry about cancer or hurting your health so go a head and smoke, drink and eat tons of sugar!
No it's not, you can't stop living your life because some stupid logic that comes out from the media that can cause cancer. It was the same crap where if you ate burnt toast you could get cancer. Just a load of rubbish from people who have no facts to back up what they are saying. You can be as health as can be and never ever smoke and get cancer. These days a person who has never smoked could just as likely get cancer as somebody who has 50 smoke a day.
 
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No it's not, you can't stop living your life because some stupid logic that comes out from the media that can cause cancer. It was the same crap where if you ate burnt toast you could get cancer. Just a load of rubbish from people who have no facts to back up what they are saying. You can be as health as can be and never ever smoke and get cancer. These days a person who has never smoked could just as likely get cancer as somebody who has 50 smoke a day.

Why does Apple tell you not to use the iPhone against your body when making phone calls?
 
Effect of Cell Phone Radiations on Orofacial Structures: A Systematic Review. May, 2017.

Cell phone emitted radiations had their adverse effect on salivary glands and facial nerves. Studies showed that cell phone emitted radiations had effects on oral mucosal cells and causes changes in salivary flow rate. It was still unclear that cell phone radiations cause tumours of the salivary glands.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28658925

 
No it's not, you can't stop living your life because some stupid logic that comes out from the media that can cause cancer. It was the same crap where if you ate burnt toast you could get cancer. Just a load of rubbish from people who have no facts to back up what they are saying. You can be as health as can be and never ever smoked and get cancer. These days a person who has never smoked could just as lkely get cancer as somebody who has 50 smoke a day.

Theres reasoning behind why having a cell phone on you all the time can lead to issues. Many things do cause cancer and diet is the main thing, and I bet in a few years having a cell attached to you for most of the day is another main cause, whenever you put yourself in line with radiation its not going to be good for you.
 
Theres reasoning behind why having a cell phone on you all the time can lead to issues. Many things do cause cancer and diet is the main thing, and I bet in a few years having a cell attached to you for most of the day is another main cause, whenever you put yourself in line with radiation its not going to be good for you.
Sure it could cause long term issues but phones and tablet devices are part of people's everyday lives. You could argue people have either or the other on them and using them for at least 17-18 hours a day. Sure it could cause problems but this kind of usage is not going to slow down anytime soon.

If this is a long term problem things will happen. My point is you can't be worried how you are using your phone on a daily basics on what could happen to your long term health.
 
Sure it could cause long term issues but phones and tablet devices are part of people's everyday lives. You could argue people have either or the other on them and using them for at least 17-18 hours a day. Sure it could cause problems but this kind of usage is not going to slow down anytime soon.

If this is a long term problem things will happen. My point is you can't be worried how you are using your phone on a daily basics on what could happen to your long term health.

At this point its not so much of a could but will, just liking eating too much sugar will lead to health issue or smoking will lead to health issues, exposing yourself too much to radiation from cells phones will lead to health issues. I don't mean this negatively towards you as I don't think you mean bad but, "live your life and don't worry what might happen" I think thats poor advise to give to others, with the rate of health issues at sky high levels and growing faster we need to be more careful of the decisions we make to our diet and the environment we put ourselves in. I'll leave it at that.
 
At this point its not so much of a could but will, just liking eating too much sugar will lead to health issue or smoking will lead to health issues, exposing yourself too much to radiation from cells phones will lead to health issues. I don't mean this negatively towards you as I don't think you mean bad but, "live your life and don't worry what might happen" I think thats poor advise to give to others, with the rate of health issues at sky high levels and growing faster we need to be more careful of the decisions we make to our diet and the environment we put ourselves in. I'll leave it at that.

It's absurd and ignorant to say... just live your life and don't worry. That's ridiculous. If we we lived like that, we'd all be dead.

There is obviously a responsibility on behalf of government and of companies. This is a very complicated issue and one I've been thinking and talking about for months regarding Apple coming out with a Watch that has LTE. I knew the media wouldn't really pick it up right away. I have tonight sent Emails to several popular tech news sites about this issue to look into it and run some stories.

Am I saying cell phones cause cancer? I'm not saying that, I'm just looking at the research, which seems to trend in that direction these days.

Again, Apple tells you not to use the iPhone against your body. It doesn't get any more blatant than that. So how is this safe to strap a watch to your wrist and use it with LTE active?
 
so maybe 2g speed is better for health than LTE.
maybe HD video streaming is more likely to give me cancer than 480 video streaming...
that would be one benefit of switching from Select choice plan to Tmobile One plan.
 
Why does Apple tell you not to use the iPhone against your body when making phone calls?

This is a guideline they offer to enable anyone who’s concerned about RF exposure to minimise it. If Apple were truly worried about the health risks from the radiation their devices emit, they’d have warnings on the box and in iOS.

As for the LTE Apple Watch (returning to the original topic), your extremities can handle a hell of a lot higher radiation dose than your body core can with little to no adverse effects. I got contaminated with Technetium-99 on my hands 17 years ago, so badly that I had to wear rubber gloves for two weeks so I didn’t spread it everywhere. My hands were probably exposed to several REM of beta radiation. Actual health effects from this: none. Amount of radiation exposure you’d get to the same area of your body from 100 years of use of an LTE Apple Watch: like, maybe a couple dozen millirem.

You get more radiation exposure from eating a banana than you will from wearing an Apple Watch.
 
Truthfully, I don't think this is any different then we using our cell phones every day and holding them close to our heads for phone calls. And I imagine Apple Watch LTE is not going to be any more detrimental than using the iPhone.
But one of the points is, apple actually TELLS you not to hold it right next to you head, and yet the watch will sit on our wrists essentially 24 hours a day.
 
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But one of the points is, apple actually TELLS you not to hold it right next to you head, and yet the watch will sit on our wrists essentially 24 hours a day.

Again, there is no definitive studies proving the Apple Watch can cause any other conditions based off a cell phone either. It's subjective.
 
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Thank you for such an entertaining thread. A piece of advice to you that have (irrational) fear of cancer, don't go shopping at Home Depot or any home improvement store. Almost everything they have is known (to the State of California) to cause cancer. The reality is that almost everything can cause cancer, the issue is that the statistical order of magnitude for each chance is vastly different.

If you are worried about cancer from a phone or watch, I hope that you don't get any natural sunlight and rely on supplements for Vitamin D.
 
This is a guideline they offer to enable anyone who’s concerned about RF exposure to minimise it. If Apple were truly worried about the health risks from the radiation their devices emit, they’d have warnings on the box and in iOS.

As for the LTE Apple Watch (returning to the original topic), your extremities can handle a hell of a lot higher radiation dose than your body core can with little to no adverse effects. I got contaminated with Technetium-99 on my hands 17 years ago, so badly that I had to wear rubber gloves for two weeks so I didn’t spread it everywhere. My hands were probably exposed to several REM of beta radiation. Actual health effects from this: none. Amount of radiation exposure you’d get to the same area of your body from 100 years of use of an LTE Apple Watch: like, maybe a couple dozen millirem.

You get more radiation exposure from eating a banana than you will from wearing an Apple Watch.

Apple is "truly worried" about the health risks from radiation in the sense that they not only have a disclaimer that comes with the device telling you not to use the device against your body when doing things like making phone calls, but have a specific page on their Website saying the same thing, for all the world to see.

As for the extremities... you oversimplify this.

There is more and more research coming out (I've posted a few) that have statistically significant results in terms of an association between anomalous cellular activity or cancer and cell phone radiation.

When it comes to the Apple Watch, using a radiation meter, SAR levels have spiked higher than 4: the device itself can emit much higher levels of radiation than 1.6. As can and does the iPhone.
 
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LTE transmissions are carried in the microwave range of frequencies.

Microwaves are not ionising radiation.

Low energy non-ionising radiation passes through the body without being absorbed. As far as it’s concerned, we’re not even there.

Despite what some crackpots or people peddling 21st century snake oil would like you to believe, LTE transmissions pose no health risk whatsoever.

Gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet light, alpha and beta emissions, and neutron flux are all very bad for you (some far more so than others). Microwave radiation doesn’t do anything to you unless you’re standing right in front of an activated high-power antenna rig and letting it cook you.

Source: I’m a former health physics technician and radiation worker heavily trained in the particulars of radiation and its effects on the human body.


Are you familiar with the National Toxicology Program research that showed exposure to radio-frequency radiation linked to tumor formation in rats? I'm not so sure we are at a point where you can make the comments you have with that level of certainty. Many of the previous studies which show no evidence of risk which were published before the NTP study were flawed in that they relied on recollection of past behaviors. These types of self reports have been shown to be highly inaccurate. The NTP study is the most comprehensive study of its kind.
 
You should be far more worried about the huge atomic ball in the sky pounding us with over 1000 Watts per square metre of radiation across a huge electromagnetic frequency range - IR, UV, radio, visible light - the works! The radiation is so strong that it literally burns your skin!

Seriously. The radiation from the natural world far exceeds anything being put out from an Apple Watch. Better stop eating bananas as well - they're radioactive.
 
You should be far more worried about the huge atomic ball in the sky pounding us with over 1000 Watts per square metre of radiation across a huge electromagnetic frequency range - IR, UV, radio, visible light - the works! The radiation is so strong that it literally burns your skin!

Seriously. The radiation from the natural world far exceeds anything being put out from an Apple Watch. Better stop eating bananas as well - they're radioactive.

Again, in the only study of its kind (no other study was as large or as carefully conducted), rats exposed to similar levels of RF radiation we would expect from long term electronic use were significantly more likely to develop heart and brain cancers. Due to the relative recency of cell phone availability, there is NO long term exposure research for exposure periods of 15 years+ in humans. At the very least, there is reason to be cautious.
 
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Perhaps you missed my point: there's far more radiation bombarding you from the natural world at all times. If anything is going to give you cancer, it's simply existing on the planet, eating food, going in the sun, breathing the air, etc.

It's like worrying about getting a paper cut when you're trapped in a burning building.
 
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Perhaps you missed my point: there's far more radiation bombarding you from the natural world at all times. If anything is going to give you cancer, it's simply existing on the planet, eating food, going in the sun, breathing the air, etc.

It's like worrying about getting a paper cut when you're trapped in a burning building.

You aren't really saying anything at all. You completely ignore the statistically significant research that I've posted and others have referred to. Aside from cancer, there are several studies that show anomalous cellular activity from exposure from RF radiation.
 
You aren't really saying anything at all.

What I'm saying is, you seem to be worried about electromagnetic radiation, including radiation in the comparatively insignificant RF spectrum, but simply going out into the sun is a much greater source of exposure to such radiation than anything an Apple Watch could ever put out. In fact, RF being radiated by radio stations is a greater source and you're being bombarded by it constantly.

If you want to talk about statistical significance, your concern for RF should be massively outweighed by concern for radiation in other spectrums like UV, which causes cancer on a very regular basis - this is why skin cancer is the most common cancer in the US, for example.

You may enjoy this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_perception
 
What I'm saying is, you seem to be worried about electromagnetic radiation, including radiation in the comparatively insignificant RF spectrum, but simply going out into the sun is a much greater source of exposure to such radiation than anything an Apple Watch could ever put out. In fact, RF being radiated by radio stations is a greater source and you're being bombarded by it constantly.

If you want to talk about statistical significance, your concern for RF should be massively outweighed by concern for radiation in other spectrums like UV, which causes cancer on a very regular basis - this is why skin cancer is the most common cancer in the US, for example.

You may enjoy this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_perception

Nothing you've said above is true. Proximity to RF sources increases radiation exposure. The sun is a low level RF producer. Having a cellular device literally touching your body for long period exposure over a long period of time will result in significantly higher exposure than what a typical person will experience. The impact of RF radiation on the human body is not completely understood and has not been studied for exposure periods of 15+ years.
 
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The impact of RF radiation on the human body is not completely understood and has not been studied for exposure periods of 15+ years.

Do you know what has been studied for exposure periods of 15+ years? Solar radiation.

If you think the Apple Watch is more of a concern to your health than the sun, I invite you to go and stand outside for a day and see what solar radiation does to your skin.
 
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Radio waves and microwaves (what our devices use to communicate) are what’s called non-ionizing radiation. What that means is that they don’t interact with molecules in the body to produce ions (which can ultimately damage DNA). Other types of radiation, such as x-ray, gamma rays, etc. are ionizing radiation. They damage DNA. This can be used medically, such as in radiation therapy to kill cancer - by damaging their DNA. Ionizing radiation can also cause cancer, as we see by the survivors of the atomic bombs in WW2. No rigorous studies have demonstrated a cause and effect between non-ionizing radiation and cancer or other health effects. Even if there were some tiny effect, it would be greatly (by orders of magnitude, ie, 1000s if percent higher) outweighed by the radiation you are exposed to in everyday life (UV radiation from being outside - even on a cloudy day, medical imaging, cosmic background radiation, airport security scanners, natural radiation coming from the ground and building materials), from the food you eat, not to mention that you are constantly surrounded by clouds of radio and microwave signals from radio stations, TV broadcasts, cell signals, Wi-fi, Bluetooth, etc. I’m a Physician, a Radiation Oncologist. I use radiation to treat cancer. So, I like to think I know at least a bit about this. It’s really not something to worry about.
 
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