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Whether I use a standard or third party, the result is the same. I've even had the 2 apps make the same mistake at the same point. The app itself shouldn't matter, as it's the raw GPS data that's incorrect. You can use WorkOutDoors and it'll actually provide the GPS accuracy in numbers, which is interesting.

I've seen a lot of varied opinions on the AW GPS. The S2 was poor. The S3 was "ok" even under the best circumstances. The S4 is better but if you have friends on Strava, it's always worse than those with a Garmin.

https://www.cultofmac.com/571769/apple-watch-route-maps-accuracy/

This article is a strange one, but does illustrate how bad the AW2 was. But the article says there's no real difference between the 3 and the 4, and I'd absolutely disagree with that. The 4 has a more pronounced shape, and the multiple identical laps overlay each other cleaner than they do on 3.

For sure, the 4 is better, but the 3 isn't great and results in a lot of errors. I'd like to see another step forward with the 5.

I have to disagree, I had a Garmin Instinct and the gps was awful especially around trees, AW3 much better. A couple of friends have the Fenix 5 and gps is nothing short of dreadful, especially considering the price. One thing to note is that I wear my AW3 on my left wrist with the crown bottom left, this puts the gps antenna pointing to the sky when I'm running. Also some apps (Strava I think) take more plots than the workout app so this should improve accuracy.
Gps accuracy also varies with conditions and that can give differing results, even on a clear day things might be going on in the upper atmosphere that cause signal disruption.
Ultimately if you are really bothered about accuracy then invest in a footpod.
 
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Also some apps (Strava I think) take more plots than the workout app so this should improve accuracy.

I don't believe this is the case on the AW. All apps get the same access to GPS data. The GPS data doesn't even identify if it's from the phone or the watch - it's just GPS data. Strava does run the data through its own algorithms though, which provides different results. https://labs.strava.com/slide/ Strava can attempt to do this on data produced by other sources using the "Correct Distance" option on activities, but it isn't always successful and sometimes makes it worse.

Some results produced by the AW are almost fictional. https://www.strava.com/activities/2385179464 I've broken the 400m World Record time record many times with my AW3.

Wearing the watch the other way around sounds like a potentially good call though. Also, leaving your phone behind if possible (or putting the phone in airplane mode) means you'll have only one possible GPS source of data, rather than two.
 
I don't believe this is the case on the AW. All apps get the same access to GPS data. The GPS data doesn't even identify if it's from the phone or the watch - it's just GPS data. Strava does run the data through its own algorithms though, which provides different results. https://labs.strava.com/slide/ Strava can attempt to do this on data produced by other sources using the "Correct Distance" option on activities, but it isn't always successful and sometimes makes it worse.

Some results produced by the AW are almost fictional. https://www.strava.com/activities/2385179464 I've broken the 400m World Record time record many times with my AW3.

Wearing the watch the other way around sounds like a potentially good call though. Also, leaving your phone behind if possible (or putting the phone in airplane mode) means you'll have only one possible GPS source of data, rather than two.

Worth checking out :-

Yes, I've heard it said that standalone AW gps is much better, I never take my phone on runs and always walk a couple of minutes before starting a run which probably means it has stopped looking for the phone.

p.s Regarding your activity, yes that's pretty awful, something's not right there.
 
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I think you've nailed the GPS issue @Monkswhiskers. Turning the watch upside down and having the crown the other side went from poor GPS reception to excellent in one move.

Turns out...I was holding the watch wrong :D
 

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First, I’d like to say that I don’t have any issue with GPS on my S3 Cell. :D

Second, I believe S5 will have native sleep tracking at least.
Third, with Extended Runtime API on watchOS 6, is this the sign that we still won’t have Always On in S5?
 
I have some "dreams" for the S5, mainly for workouts:
- Always On display during workouts
- Better usage of physical buttons during workouts (for intervals ...)
- Better autonomy for long workouts
- why not a better GPS accuracy (2 settings: normal sampling rate like now + high frequency sampling for some type of workouts)
 
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I have some "dreams" for the S5, mainly for workouts:
- Always On display during workouts
- Better usage of physical buttons during workouts (for intervals ...)
- Better autonomy for long workouts
- why not a better GPS accuracy (2 settings: normal sampling rate like now + high frequency sampling for some type of workouts)


I think Apple is getting closer to a decent sports watch, a couple of iterations away, I would like to see training and recovery metrics, longer gps run times and maybe a low power always-on screen option.
Maybe with force touch buttons they will add a third button possibly.
So many complaints about Garmin's bugs and their customer service experience that I know a few people that will move as soon as a solid alternative comes along.
 
Or watch S5 will have TouchID on the crown, or even under the screen?, so we don’t have to pair it with iPhone anymore? (We can log into Apple ID on the watch easily using the same process Apple use with HomePod I guess)
It would be great if you could go out and buy S5 for your parent or grandparents without having to buy iPhone first.
 
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Or watch S5 will have TouchID on the crown, or even under the screen?.

Why would the Apple Watch need touch ID under the display? (Rhetorical) That’s not even been close to being a rumor or indicative that Apple will be doing anything like that. I’m sure passcode is more than enough versus adding something like touch ID on the Apple Watch. Apple Has been about Health features, not additional security features on the Apple Watch that don’t seem necessary.
 
Yes, I've heard it said that standalone AW gps is much better, I never take my phone on runs and always walk a couple of minutes before starting a run which probably means it has stopped looking for the phone.

I have the same experience.My GPS tracks are awful things f the watch is paired with the phone, so I turn off BT on the phone if I have to carry it.

For those looking for more accurate distance and pace when running, a footpod will always outperform GPS. The don’t think you can use the garmin ones (ANT+) but you can use the Stryd. I found the Stryd to be awesome with my series 2. I really like how their app lets you wait for a GPS lock, I wished the Strava or workouts app would let you wait for a lock.
 
Thought I might bite as a former AW4 owner and current MARQ owner (a decision that's caused me a ton of grief but I'll spare you that story).

In regards to what would make me completely give up Garmin, and come back to the AW.
  1. I want solid GPS, something I didn't get from the AW. I had bad tracks, some possibly related to it picking the phone as a starting point, and some where it just lost it. Garmin is pretty solid where I am.
  2. Probably, another button, so you can trigger laps, pause, etc., without having to fight the screen.
  3. A better data UI. What they have isn't useless, it's just not useful if you take your workouts at all seriously. You can sort of work around this, but, you have to work around it.
    1. This includes the Apple Health app which is a cluster duck trying to find things like your VO2.
  4. More fitness metrics built-in similar to what Garmin gives you with FirstBeat.
  5. A smidge more battery life. You can get 2 days, with stretching off the AW4, and it's a pretty fast charge, but it just needs to be a bit better. Give me three days. The MARQ, if I'm being honest, isn't that great. I'm pretty much at 80-85% if I don't do anything after a day, which is less than the 95% on the F5 and 90% for F5+. It's a slow charge too. Add in a podcast and one gives you 9 hours, the other 6. Yes, 50% better, but not really a lot better. And try to get a podcast onto the Spotify app, if, in fact, you even can. At least on the AW side you can get Overcast.
The other stuff, well, it blows away the Garmin side of the house, barely even a contest. The thing is, Apple sees it from a healthiness perspective and Garmin sees it from a training perspective. If Apple hired a few people dedicated to running/working out, this thing could be a beast.
 
We better see an s5 and some type of improved display with always on.. I really want to buy a cellular version Apple Watch 5.
 
Thought I might bite as a former AW4 owner and current MARQ owner (a decision that's caused me a ton of grief but I'll spare you that story).

In regards to what would make me completely give up Garmin, and come back to the AW.
  1. I want solid GPS, something I didn't get from the AW. I had bad tracks, some possibly related to it picking the phone as a starting point, and some where it just lost it. Garmin is pretty solid where I am.
  2. Probably, another button, so you can trigger laps, pause, etc., without having to fight the screen.
  3. A better data UI. What they have isn't useless, it's just not useful if you take your workouts at all seriously. You can sort of work around this, but, you have to work around it.
    1. This includes the Apple Health app which is a cluster duck trying to find things like your VO2.
  4. More fitness metrics built-in similar to what Garmin gives you with FirstBeat.
  5. A smidge more battery life. You can get 2 days, with stretching off the AW4, and it's a pretty fast charge, but it just needs to be a bit better. Give me three days. The MARQ, if I'm being honest, isn't that great. I'm pretty much at 80-85% if I don't do anything after a day, which is less than the 95% on the F5 and 90% for F5+. It's a slow charge too. Add in a podcast and one gives you 9 hours, the other 6. Yes, 50% better, but not really a lot better. And try to get a podcast onto the Spotify app, if, in fact, you even can. At least on the AW side you can get Overcast.
The other stuff, well, it blows away the Garmin side of the house, barely even a contest. The thing is, Apple sees it from a healthiness perspective and Garmin sees it from a training perspective. If Apple hired a few people dedicated to running/working out, this thing could be a beast.



1 - I don't have a problem with this myself - Good tracks no worse than my Garmin Instinct I had for a while and certainly better than my friends dreadful Fenix 5 performance. Access to other footpods would be welcome for increased accuracy, as I think Stryd is just too much info for me, I just want pace distance, not all their other stuff.

2 - I do ok with double pressing the buttons to pause but a 3rd button would be welcome for intervals (sports version of the watch maybe?) This might be more likely with force touch tech.

3 - Agreed, too complicated, just replicate Garmin here for the win.

4 - Absolutely, this would be welcome and a serious Garmin killer.

5 - I think this is coming soon and would take another slice of Garmin's market. For me personally it has not been a problem yet as I just charge along with my smartphone every day but I do go on long bike rides so this would be welcome (never run out of juice yet though on my series 3)


All this along with already faultless airpods music playback, ubiquitous apple pay acceptance (in UK here), workable texting (I find Garmin's just an annoyance) will strengthen Apple's hand considerably in terms of wearable tech.
 
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I just ordered a Nomad Charging Station with an Apple Watch charging stand and as soon as I pressed Confirm Purchase, it occurred to me that Apple is moving all of its charging to Qi and this charging puck might be obsolete in a few months.

Given that the new AirPods charging case can fit a charging coil in a small case, I don’t see why the Apple Watch Series 5 won’t charge on any standard Qi charging pad.

I’ll be upgrading from the Series 3 to the Series 5 this Fall and I’m starting to feel so confident in my prediction that I think that my Nomad charger is going to turn out to be one that I regret within a couple of months of buying it.
 
As far as my predictions for the Series 5, I think that they’ll fall in a few major priorities:

1. Autonomy. The new Apple Watch will be the first to be self contained and won’t require any phone to set up and pair. This is already reflective in the new watchOS beta but will require a more powerful CPU to fully realize.
This will have the added effect of bringing Android users into the Apple Watch customer pool since the Watch won’t need an iPhone to setup. Like the iPod when iTunes for Windows was released, it’ll be a major inflection point for the Watch opening up the floodgates and making it a true ubiquitous hit. Expect to see Watch sales to more than double when anyone on any platform can buy one.

2. Siri. Voice is the principle way in which we interact with Apple Watch. Unlike an iPhone, it’s not always connected and there is a delay in processing voice requests, if there is a connection at all. This brings up the need for on device Siri processing. A dedicated Siri chip could process voice recognition and hold a cache of common information for responses. More complex requests would still be pulled down from Siri servers in the cloud when available.

3. Accessories. While people have been calling for a blood glucose monitor built into the Watch, the technology isn’t there yet, let alone miniaturized for an Apple Watch. The alternative is to allow diabetics to pair their CGM (continuous glucose monitors) that they apply on their skin, to the Watch directly, rather than need to carry an iPhone.
In the same focus, other accessories would be able to be added, such as a wireless camera strap and an open framework to allow third parties to add accessories to the Watch and quickly improve its feature set.
Finally, this opens up the path ahead for what’s coming the following year: Apple Glasses. For Apple’s wearables strategy to work, the user needs to be able to rely on their wearables alone. The holy trinity of Watch + AirPods + Glasses will eventually replace the need for an iPhone, opening up another decade of growth for Apple when the iPhone falls off (it’s already started). Glasses will be a 2020 accessory but the Series 5 will begin the move.

On built in health sensors, I think the next obvious low hanging fruit is in blood oxygenation monitoring. Current sensors can already detect this but haven’t been accurate enough to deploy. Improvements to the Watch’s sensors can make this finally available. Oxygen level data is valuable in measuring fitness and progression in workouts.

Also, as I pointed out in my previous post, the Series 5 Watch will likely charge via standard Qi. Drop your Watch on any Qi charging pad and it’ll charge. No need for a proprietary charging puck.

Going forward to the Series 6, a 5G chip will truly unleash it as a stand-alone device. MicroLEDs will improve battery and allow for an always on display. But we’re about 2 years away for these which is why I left them off my realistic Series 5 predictions.
 
As far as my predictions for the Series 5, I think that they’ll fall in a few major priorities:

1. Autonomy. The new Apple Watch will be the first to be self contained and won’t require any phone to set up and pair. This is already reflective in the new watchOS beta but will require a more powerful CPU to fully realize.
This will have the added effect of bringing Android users into the Apple Watch customer pool since the Watch won’t need an iPhone to setup. Like the iPod when iTunes for Windows was released, it’ll be a major inflection point for the Watch opening up the floodgates and making it a true ubiquitous hit. Expect to see Watch sales to more than double when anyone on any platform can buy one.

2. Siri. Voice is the principle way in which we interact with Apple Watch. Unlike an iPhone, it’s not always connected and there is a delay in processing voice requests, if there is a connection at all. This brings up the need for on device Siri processing. A dedicated Siri chip could process voice recognition and hold a cache of common information for responses. More complex requests would still be pulled down from Siri servers in the cloud when available.

3. Accessories. While people have been calling for a blood glucose monitor built into the Watch, the technology isn’t there yet, let alone miniaturized for an Apple Watch. The alternative is to allow diabetics to pair their CGM (continuous glucose monitors) that they apply on their skin, to the Watch directly, rather than need to carry an iPhone.
In the same focus, other accessories would be able to be added, such as a wireless camera strap and an open framework to allow third parties to add accessories to the Watch and quickly improve its feature set.
Finally, this opens up the path ahead for what’s coming the following year: Apple Glasses. For Apple’s wearables strategy to work, the user needs to be able to rely on their wearables alone. The holy trinity of Watch + AirPods + Glasses will eventually replace the need for an iPhone, opening up another decade of growth for Apple when the iPhone falls off (it’s already started). Glasses will be a 2020 accessory but the Series 5 will begin the move.

On built in health sensors, I think the next obvious low hanging fruit is in blood oxygenation monitoring. Current sensors can already detect this but haven’t been accurate enough to deploy. Improvements to the Watch’s sensors can make this finally available. Oxygen level data is valuable in measuring fitness and progression in workouts.

Also, as I pointed out in my previous post, the Series 5 Watch will likely charge via standard Qi. Drop your Watch on any Qi charging pad and it’ll charge. No need for a proprietary charging puck.

Going forward to the Series 6, a 5G chip will truly unleash it as a stand-alone device. MicroLEDs will improve battery and allow for an always on display. But we’re about 2 years away for these which is why I left them off my realistic Series 5 predictions.


All of what you wrote makes an awful lot of sense! I agree with all of it!
Not necessarily what I'd be in interested in (other than being able to get rid of the cell phone) as in Luxembourg we are missing one crucial bit of integration: Siri isn't available in our native language (not going to talk in another language to my watch, even if I get beyond the "how ridiculous is it to talk to a watch" thing)

PulseOx is definitely a given, that's easy to implement (and rumors are persistent that the series 4 already has a sensor capable of doing it so the 5 will definitely go in that direction).

I think Apple suffer through the same problem that every other wearable company currently has, being the devices are capable of extraordinary things and collect an extraordinary amount of data, however currently it's just that, data. It leaves the user to figure out for themselves what it all menas and connect the dots.
dcrainmaker has written and talked extensively about this also.

Garmin and Suunto have started to change by implementing the FirstBeat metrics for Stress and Body Battery (which I do actually find extremely useful if a bit underwhelming still). Polar has just taken it a step further by giving out training recommendations based on data collected (but not health-related, which is Apple's core position for the watch).

Assuming Apple does not care about performance tracking but rather health and general fitness I think they must start to look into how to make the collected data useful (i.e. not like Polar does, but more like FirstBeat does with Stress and BodyBattery). Likely a few iterations out, but I think if a company can pull it off it is Apple!
If your 3rd bullet is to materialize (i.e. a fully integrated system with wearables giving information where needed) then they must implement a way to make it all useful to the end user. That is where then the iPhone will then position itself, as the data presentation tool (interchangeable with iPad or Mac). Watch, glasses, Ipad/iPhone all give data as needed in their context.

So while I do agree with your assessment on autonomy, I think it will be slightly more nuanced, in where the watch won't replace an iPhone/iPad, but rather augment it (but not require it nearby hence the autonomy bit). I certainly think that is the vision for the future, currently every device is overloaded with things it is not necessarily good at, the future will be a more diverse system with information presented differently by device/context. I'd certainly look forward to that!
 
The one thing I do not see happening any time soon is the iphone disappearing. It is the bridge between a watch and an iPad size- and utility-wise, and it will continue to serve one major purpose, which is acting as a phone (although a very dumbed-down version could do that)

I know the watch with airpods is more than capable of acting as a phone, but I see it a bit the same way as why ultimately bluetooth headsets failed: it's socially awkward to talk to yourself! A phone pressed to your ear (or held in front of you) is a universal sign that you are doing something else, whereas just talking without any noticeable way for bystanders to discern what you are doing other than potentially talking to yourself (or worse, them) just doesn't work

This might change, but social acceptance is slow to change so I don't see iPhones disappear that anytime soon
 
As far as my predictions for the Series 5, I think that they’ll fall in a few major priorities:

1. Autonomy. The new Apple Watch will be the first to be self contained and won’t require any phone to set up and pair. This is already reflective in the new watchOS beta but will require a more powerful CPU to fully realize.
This will have the added effect of bringing Android users into the Apple Watch customer pool since the Watch won’t need an iPhone to setup. Like the iPod when iTunes for Windows was released, it’ll be a major inflection point for the Watch opening up the floodgates and making it a true ubiquitous hit. Expect to see Watch sales to more than double when anyone on any platform can buy one.

2. Siri. Voice is the principle way in which we interact with Apple Watch. Unlike an iPhone, it’s not always connected and there is a delay in processing voice requests, if there is a connection at all. This brings up the need for on device Siri processing. A dedicated Siri chip could process voice recognition and hold a cache of common information for responses. More complex requests would still be pulled down from Siri servers in the cloud when available.

3. Accessories. While people have been calling for a blood glucose monitor built into the Watch, the technology isn’t there yet, let alone miniaturized for an Apple Watch. The alternative is to allow diabetics to pair their CGM (continuous glucose monitors) that they apply on their skin, to the Watch directly, rather than need to carry an iPhone.
In the same focus, other accessories would be able to be added, such as a wireless camera strap and an open framework to allow third parties to add accessories to the Watch and quickly improve its feature set.
Finally, this opens up the path ahead for what’s coming the following year: Apple Glasses. For Apple’s wearables strategy to work, the user needs to be able to rely on their wearables alone. The holy trinity of Watch + AirPods + Glasses will eventually replace the need for an iPhone, opening up another decade of growth for Apple when the iPhone falls off (it’s already started). Glasses will be a 2020 accessory but the Series 5 will begin the move.

On built in health sensors, I think the next obvious low hanging fruit is in blood oxygenation monitoring. Current sensors can already detect this but haven’t been accurate enough to deploy. Improvements to the Watch’s sensors can make this finally available. Oxygen level data is valuable in measuring fitness and progression in workouts.

Also, as I pointed out in my previous post, the Series 5 Watch will likely charge via standard Qi. Drop your Watch on any Qi charging pad and it’ll charge. No need for a proprietary charging puck.

Going forward to the Series 6, a 5G chip will truly unleash it as a stand-alone device. MicroLEDs will improve battery and allow for an always on display. But we’re about 2 years away for these which is why I left them off my realistic Series 5 predictions.

All great points. As far as the Series 6, I definitely think Apple Watch will be the first to see micro LED, just as it did with OLED. I’d say Series 5 is slated to be more of a ‘S type’ upgrade, and Series 6 will likely be the next major breakthrough, also adding its own native sleep tracking, which has been rumored for 2020.
 
The one thing I do not see happening any time soon is the iphone disappearing. It is the bridge between a watch and an iPad size- and utility-wise, and it will continue to serve one major purpose, which is acting as a phone (although a very dumbed-down version could do that)

I know the watch with airpods is more than capable of acting as a phone, but I see it a bit the same way as why ultimately bluetooth headsets failed: it's socially awkward to talk to yourself! A phone pressed to your ear (or held in front of you) is a universal sign that you are doing something else, whereas just talking without any noticeable way for bystanders to discern what you are doing other than potentially talking to yourself (or worse, them) just doesn't work

This might change, but social acceptance is slow to change so I don't see iPhones disappear that anytime soon

Curious where you live. Here in Toronto, you never seen anyone with their phone pressed to their ear anymore. Everyone is walking around with AirPods or other headphones. Social norms change from place to place. You see someone talking to themselves, you assume they’re on a call. It’s totally normal now.

The twist here is that fewer and fewer people even take calls anymore. We’re an asynchronous messaging world now. The Watch works well for that. Get a message, life your wrist, reply, lower your wrist and it sends.

That said, the Watch works really well as a phone. I have the Series 3 LTE and I take calls on my Watch all the time. If I don’t have my AirPods with me, I kind of rest my hand on my face with 2 fingers on my temples, holding my Watch close to my mouth and ear, almost like a virtual phone. I’ve had full length conversations like this.

I don’t expect the iPhone to go away entirely but it’ll lose its prominence. The phone is the smallest reason why the iPhone won’t entirely disappear. The main reason is that people will still want to navigate a screen with apps and they’ll want to type and they’ll want to read. But it’ll be optional. The centre of our digital lives is moving to the wrist and Apple Watch is absolutely being shifted iteratively to take on this role, independently of an iPhone. Apple has made this very clear in their moves towards Watch independence. There would be no point to an App Store on the Watch or LTE on the Watch if Apple wasn’t expecting us to leave our phones at home or not have them at all. Full Watch autonomy is coming.
 
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Curious where you live. Here in Toronto, you never seen anyone with their phone pressed to their ear anymore. Everyone is walking around with AirPods or other headphones. Social norms change from place to place. You see someone talking to themselves, you assume they’re on a call. It’s totally normal now.

The twist here is that fewer and fewer people even take calls anymore. We’re an asynchronous messaging world now. The Watch works well for that. Get a message, life your wrist, reply, lower your wrist and it sends.

That said, the Watch works really well as a phone. I have the Series 3 LTE and I take calls on my Watch all the time. If I don’t have my AirPods with me, I kind of rest my hand on my face with 2 fingers on my temples, holding my Watch close to my mouth and ear, almost like a virtual phone. I’ve had full length conversations like this.

I don’t expect the iPhone to go away entirely but it’ll lose its prominence. The phone is the smallest reason why the iPhone won’t entirely disappear. The main reason is that people will still want to navigate a screen with apps and they’ll want to type and they’ll want to read. But it’ll be optional. The centre of our digital lives is moving to the wrist and Apple Watch is absolutely being shifted iteratively to take on this role, independently of an iPhone. Apple has made this very clear in their moves towards Watch independence. There would be no point to an App Store on the Watch or LTE on the Watch if Apple wasn’t expecting us to leave our phones at home or not have them at all. Full Watch autonomy is coming.
I live in Luxemburg, where this shift just hasn’t happened yet (now that I think about it, the signs are there though so it’s just a matter of time)

I agree with everything else you wrote, and as said above I believe we will move into a modular personal tech future where every piece takes on a specific role into an aggregated overall picture, i.e. the right information at the right time from the right tech.
I also still think we are a bit away from that, tech is very good now at data collection and somewhat at presentation, but the real use will come from analysis and decision making facilitation, and we are quite a way off from that
 
If they're going to add more sensors for health measurements, please get the permissions before the launch. The ecg function came too late to EU that I skipped this version because of it. Also, non LTE version of SS will be appreciated.
 
If they're going to add more sensors for health measurements, please get the permissions before the launch. The ecg function came too late to EU that I skipped this version because of it. Also, non LTE version of SS will be appreciated.
They do get permissions before launch, but only in USA. I know this sounds frustrating but waiting for approval for ECG instead of rolling out slowly would hugely delay Apple product release. Think about Apple Pay. If Apple wait until deals with banks around the world is done, we might finally get iPhone 6 Plus this September instead of iPhone XS Max. Same for ECG and all other new features, including dual sim support.
 
Apple has two problems with going hard-core fitness.

1. The app store.
2. Their development side doesn't seem that good from the cheap seats.

So, you have something they aren't very good at, and if they get good, it damages a revenue stream that they get for doing, well, nothing.

This is ironic, in a sense, because Apple fancies itself as a privacy / safety thing, which I do too because that is really the only reason I buy their stuff, yet, with the watch I have to jumble jack things 13 ways to get the information where I want it, exposing said information in the process to 13 different entities that probably aren't nearly as conscientious with it as Apple.

Is that good, or bad?
 
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