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Sure, but must be a reason why body thermometer exists and people do use it, right?

Sure thing, but this doesn’t appear to be measuring body temperature? By all accounts it will be using skin temperature and A.I. to determine if it thinks you may have have a fever. Not really something anyone really needs, as sick people usually feel sick. Prior to 2020 at least. Not saying it’s necessarily a bad thing but, if we’re honest, we all know where the impetus for this is coming from. Health paranoia is the new oil.
 
Sure thing, but this doesn’t appear to be measuring body temperature? By all accounts it will be using skin temperature and A.I. to determine if it thinks you may have have a fever. Not really something anyone really needs, as sick people usually feel sick. Prior to 2020 at least. Not saying it’s necessarily a bad thing but, if we’re honest, we all know where the impetus for this is coming from. Health paranoia is the new oil.
Not all types of sickens are assassinated with fever. You may feel sick but you may not have a fiver. You may have a fiver but you may not feel sick. You may be able to tell, someone else may not. It is not a groundbreaking feature or something you should jump and bu an Apple Watch but is an welcome addition and good to have.
 
Cmon, Apple - blood sugar, blood pressure or go home...
You must be an ex Theranos employee :)

The amount of complexity of measuring blood glucose levels without an invasive (Taking your blood) is extremely high.

Same goes for blood pressure, without a cuff (inflatable) is also non reliable.

Medical tech innovations need more time. You need to test and learn and test some more. I do not expect both blood sugar and pressure sensors to be ready in 3-5 years, MINIMUM.
 
How on earth would a watch measure blood pressure?
You must be an ex Theranos employee :)

The amount of complexity of measuring blood glucose levels without an invasive (Taking your blood) is extremely high.

Same goes for blood pressure, without a cuff (inflatable) is also non reliable.

Medical tech innovations need more time. You need to test and learn and test some more. I do not expect both blood sugar and pressure sensors to be ready in 3-5 years, MINIMUM.
I was about to say the same thing!
I just cant see the blood pressure thing at all as generally, Apple will take techniques already in place. And I've never seen any proper blood pressure measure that doesn't involve a cuff (and even they can be unreliable).
Same with blood sugar, although I have heard of using some UV light thing to view blood and maybe guess?

The only way I could see it is machine learning where you look for other statistics and then use that as your basis for determining blood pressure / sugar levels. But I do think any accurate reading is years away and would probably involve some kind of secondary device anyway.
 
You must be an ex Theranos employee :)

The amount of complexity of measuring blood glucose levels without an invasive (Taking your blood) is extremely high.

Same goes for blood pressure, without a cuff (inflatable) is also non reliable.

Medical tech innovations need more time. You need to test and learn and test some more. I do not expect both blood sugar and pressure sensors to be ready in 3-5 years, MINIMUM.
You obviously haven’t heard about Rockley Photonics? Apple is their biggest customer.

 
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Well.... It would need AI. That wrist thing was a rip-off apparently.

For instance, I have a new car with adaptive cruise control. It absolutely (knock on wood, btw LOL) needs AI to figure out what is going on otherwise it wouldn't work. Too many variables. And this is a good analogy as your life depends on it. (again, knock on wood. I'm very superstitious, especially about driving :) . Difficult even saying this)
Are you super or a little sticious😀
 
How’s the body when it comes to scratches?
Some colors of the higher end watches have a dedicated coating (either DLC or PVD), which is pretty good at preventing scratches. DLC (Titanium Space-Black) is said to be even stronger than PVD (Stainless graphite or gold). Sold my space-black SS S4 (DLC) in pristine condition and can probably do the same with my current S6 graphite (PVD) - no visible scratches after nearly 2 years.

And the stainless/titanium watches also have the sapphire glass, so you have a good all-around protection. Just waiting for the next random person to turn up and tell the story about how this „over-hyped materials“ got scratched so badly just a week after (s)he bought it … :D

Personally I get about 30 hours out of my S7 watch. i do use “theater mode” at night. Otherwise different usage patterns probably account for the difference.
Do you use theater mode in addition to or instead of DND - sleep mode?
 
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Sensors in AW is fun at best but to really be useful they should perform as good as medical devices and thus be clinical grade. There is a long way to go to reach that.

I saw some early test on blood glucose measurements using infra red light through the skin on a conference two decades ago. The basic difficulties have not changed since then: skin type, sweat, hair (!), depth to veins, etc differs between people and cannot be accounted for. AI will not solve this one.
 
I just wish it wasn't mandatory to purchase an Apple Watch each year. Imagine living in a world where Apple released them and we had the choice to purchase them or not. That would be amazing.
 
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Nope it’s the focus of whose in charge of the Watch division since version 2. Not Cook.
Incorrect, and it’s not hard to examples where Cook has said so directly. In addition to personal health & fitness Apple had leverages iPad for accessibility and disabled and collaborated with health institutions. Plus Cook is an exercise buff. And who, btw, do you think is directing the Watch division?
 
Sensors in AW is fun at best but to really be useful they should perform as good as medical devices and thus be clinical grade. There is a long way to go to reach that.

I saw some early test on blood glucose measurements using infra red light through the skin on a conference two decades ago. The basic difficulties have not changed since then: skin type, sweat, hair (!), depth to veins, etc differs between people and cannot be accounted for. AI will not solve this one.
For me, it would appear to make more sense (ha!) for such a sensor to be on the inside of my wrist. No hair. Minimum distance to blood vessels. Skin colour would be of variable importance. It might prove possible to cope with all shades of skin, but not vitiligo. Sweat is a variable for all of us but it is possibly a route to an answer:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-06434-x
 
Sensors in AW is fun at best but to really be useful they should perform as good as medical devices and thus be clinical grade. There is a long way to go to reach that.

I saw some early test on blood glucose measurements using infra red light through the skin on a conference two decades ago. The basic difficulties have not changed since then: skin type, sweat, hair (!), depth to veins, etc differs between people and cannot be accounted for. AI will not solve this one.

Yes, I think many have watched far too many sci-fi movies where everything is diagnosed with a simple wave of a handheld tricorder (an OG StarTrek reference for some of younger folks).

It’s great to see Apple and others push the technology, but we’ve got a long way to go before we get there.
 
You just need to get the stainless steel model. Everybody I know who got the aluminum watch with the Ion-X glass got a ton of scratches within months. I’ve had the SS models with the sapphire glass since the first gen model, and none have ever scratched.
I’ve wondered about the higher end models. Thanks for your input.
 
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Wow, that’s disappointing. What happened to the new flatter design that was being touted last year and thought to be coming for the Series 8?

And same processor again?! Apple seems to be hitting a wall lately with their chip designs.
I am very disappointed too, but I suspect their chip engineers are a little more focused on the M-series these days.
 
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Honest question: I haven’t followed the cycle of sales post-launch, but can I really expect to see much deeper discounts on the 7 post-launch? They are currently 20% off at Amazon with Prime Day less than two weeks out.
Stores like Best Buy in the states often do discounts of old stock, though it will depend on which SKUs Apple discontinues. My wife got a stainless series 5 when the 6 came out for $289. If Apple decides to keep the series 7, in whatever configuration you are looking at, on the lineup with the next launch, you are unlikely to see steeper discounts since it's not a discontinued product.
 
Are you super or a little sticious😀
Driving scares the **** out of me frankly. I like it, but it's an 'accident waiting to happen'. And you see stuff. LOTS of stuff :D. Makes me religious, sort of.

It's a bit crazy if you actually look at what is going on. :D
 
Apple Watch should alert wearers, similar to fall detection notification, when wearers lack symptoms of poor health, because not having symptoms of illness is in itself a symptom of being infected with SARS CoV2.

The alert could say something like, “Apple Watch has detected that your EKG, temperature, and blood oxygen saturation are within normal limits — this may be indicative of being infected with SARS CoV2. Seek medical advice as soon as possible.”
 
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So everything that goes wrong is Tim Cook's fault, but he doesn't deserve any of the credit when things do go right?
Where in earth did you get that from my post coming at me?!

I simply said the Health focus of Apple Watch was from someone else. Cook gets praise for bringing the Watch but luxury was its main focus - hence the very first release was for a while the good version before any others at much much cheaper down to earth prices were available.


You seem to have a lot of issue with anyone correcting against cook.
 
Incorrect, and it’s not hard to examples where Cook has said so directly. In addition to personal health & fitness Apple had leverages iPad for accessibility and disabled and collaborated with health institutions. Plus Cook is an exercise buff. And who, btw, do you think is directing the Watch division?

Are you certain. Post such timelines of cook.
 
That big world wide event that disrupted supply chains massively and the availability of silicon chips might have something to do with it.
You mean the chip shortage that pretty much every device had the upgrade every year since 2019 regardless of the pandemic?
 
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