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Coming from an S4 what's a better value? The S9 is new from a retail store.

S9 Aluminum 45mm (GPS + Cellular) with Blood Oxygen for $379
S10 Aluminum 46mm (GPS) for $429

To be clear I don't need the Cellular feature, but the S9 I found comes with it. The blood oxygen feature is what has me leaning S9. Not that I need the blood oxygen feature for any specific reason, I like the additional health metric.
 
What about storage on these things? I haven't owned a watch since like series 3 or so...and I'm wondering how much local storage are on the watches these days. I used to be able to keep locally downloaded music playlists on my watch.
 
The sensor is there it's just disabled due to legal issue. Works for me in Canada. I thought the rumour was the legal issue would be resolved soon… at which point the S6-10 will regain that functionality.
Apparently, we have the feature available in the UK
 
I JUST replaced my series 3 with a series 9 last month. Too big of a discount not to jump then. It was taking just over an hour and a half to get the watch charged.

I feel aside from some animations, and bigger screen, S9 wasn't offering all that much I couldn't do already. I have maybe a few 3rd party apps that now work on the new watch, and I can use expresspass at the train, and I suppose that's nice. I still don't bother with the always on display. Blood oxygen (available in Canada) I don't think is telling me anything significant, and among those lines, Vitals on watchOS11.. I dunno. I'm never analyzing the data... and watch faces... You find the one or two you use, fighting with the one or two watch faces that can actually show the complication you wish to see where you want to see it (Some 3rd party apps can't do the corner complications, or graph... where it would be useful), and after setting the couple that work, they go in to an obscure place where they'll never be looked at again.

What hampers these devices though are poor battery life, and subsequently, neutered complication refreshes on the watch face. I figure until the CPU can get small enough to barely sip that battery, with some even more efficient screen tech, these things are going to be stuck in that daily charge grind, remaining roughly the same size for many more years.
 
FWIW, I've been planning to upgrade from my S4 stainless steel 44 mm as the battery doesn't last more than 12 hours and it won't support watchOS 11. Though the S10 looks intriguing, I realized that I could save money, have an Apple warranty, get the benefits of a recent watch, still use all of my stainless steel bands that I've accumulated since the S0, and not have to worry about a too-big watch by buying a refurbished S9 stainless steel 45mm. With the announcement of the S10, the refurbished watches dropped by another $100 so I pulled the trigger on Monday and it arrived on Wednesday. I've been really happy with it - IMHO, it's a *significant* upgrade from the S4. Bigger and always-on display, faster response time, better battery life, more functionality, and still a manageable size on my wrist. YMMV, but I recommend this option for folks who are coming from an S4 but aren't sure about the S10.
 
Am I reading the chart wrong? Looks like depth goes to 9.7. it "is" thinner
You are reading it right.

I was replying to this comment..."Wait I thought the rumors was it would be thinner? But now it will go from 10.7mm depth to 11.6mm depth?"

Im not sure what either of us were looking at TBH 😂

The chart is right now but I think its been edited since it was published. I remember looking at it and thinking WTF is this.

UPDATE......It was edited LOL If you scroll to the bottom of the article you will see it was edited today (9/13/24 @ around 9am)
 
Calling these 18 “upgrades” is a bit far fetched when some are just facts, not upgrades.

The colour options for the 10 in aluminium are not great. How have they passed on a dark colour that isn’t glossy?
They just lost a purchase this year from me for that reason and I’ll likely just upgrade my battery in my 5 now instead of buying a watch this year.
Sure I’m only 1 person. But how many 1 persons are there.
 
Same here. S4 with 67%. Get my S10 black on the 20th.
Nice. I was contemplating doing the battery service then decided against it as I really like the size of the s4 - I normally wear small watches.

I ordered a S10 Jet Black for the 20th and a Hermes but then cancelled it when I realised you can get leather band versions directly from the Hermes store. I'm still undecided over which one to keep.
 
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The Apple Watch Series 10 is now available for pre-order. The latest models feature 18 upgrades over their predecessors, so here's everything that's changed.

Apple-Watch-Series-9-vs-Series-10-Buyers-Guide-2-Mock.jpg

Apple's latest Apple Watch models bring range of small improvements along with the first design refresh in three years. Some of the most significant hardware changes include new display technologies, water temperature and depth sensing, and a reengineered metal back that allows for faster charging.

But beyond these headline features, how much of an improvement does the ‌Apple Watch Series 10‌ really offer? This guide breaks down the differences between the Series 9 and ‌Series 10 models to help you understand all of the changes and determine whether these enhancements are enough to justify making the switch from a Series 9‌.

Apple Watch Series 9Apple Watch Series 10
Same design as Apple Watch Series 7 and Apple Watch Series 8Refined design with a thinner casing, display with more rounded edges and a wider aspect ratio, and front glass that extends further over the sides for a higher screen-to-body ratio
41mm and 45mm casing size options42mm and 46mm casing size options
Available with aluminum or stainless steel casingAvailable with aluminum or titanium casing
Aluminum: Available in anodized Silver, Starlight, Midnight, Pink, and (PRODUCT)RED finishes
Stainless Steel: Available in polished Silver, Gold, and Graphite finishes
Aluminum: Available in anodized Silver and Rose Gold, and polished Jet Black finishes
Titanium: Available in polished Silver (matches previous stainless steel casing, Apple Watch Hermès only), Gold, Slate, and Natural finishes
Ceramic and sapphire crystal backMetal back with larger charging coil and integrated antenna
41mm: 1.69-inch display
45mm: 1.9-inch display
42mm: 1.89-inch display
46mm: 2.04-inch display
LTPO OLED Always-On Retina displayLTPO3 OLED Always-On Retina display (faster refresh rate in always-on mode, enabling a live ticking seconds hand on select watch faces)
Wide-angle OLED (up to 40% brighter when viewed at an angle)
Flux and Reflections watch faces, optimized for the larger display and faster refresh rate
S9 chipMore compact S10 chip
Body temperature sensorBody and water temperature sensor
Depth gauge to 6m
Depth app
Oceanic+ app for snorkelling (available on the App Store)
MicrophoneMicrophone with voice isolation
Single, elongated speaker holeRedesigned speaker with individual holes
SpeakerSpeaker with media playback
Fast charging (0–80% in 45 minutes)Faster charging (0–80% in about 30 minutes)


Dimensions
The Series 10 introduces slight increases in height and width, resulting in a marginally larger screen-to-body ratio. However, the depth is significantly reduced by over 9%, making the Series 10 noticeably thinner. Despite the larger case sizes, the Series 10 is lighter across both aluminium GPS and GPS + Cellular models.

Apple Watch Series 9Apple Watch Series 10
Height41mm: 41mm 45mm: 45mm42mm: 42mm (+2.44%) 46mm: 46mm (+2.22%)
Width41mm: 35mm 45mm: 38mm42mm: 36mm (+2.86%) 46mm: 39mm (+2.63%)
Depth41mm: 10.7mm 45mm: 10.7mm42mm: 9.7mm (-9.35%) 46mm: 9.7mm (-9.35%)
Weight (aluminium, GPS)41mm: 31.9g 45mm: 38.7g42mm: 30g (-5.96%) 46mm: 36.4g (-5.95%)
Weight (aluminium, GPS + Cellular)41mm: 32.1g 45mm: 39.0g42mm: 29.3g (-8.72%) 46mm: 35.3g (-9.49%)


Release Date

The Apple Watch Series 10 is now available for pre-order, with availability beginning Friday, September 20.

Is It Worth Upgrading?

The Apple Watch Series 10 brings several enhancements over the Series 9, but for most users, the differences are incremental. The thinner and lighter design is an improvement, but it doesn't fundamentally alter the device's overall appearance or experience. The slightly larger display and wide-angle OLED, while improving readability, isn't a drastic change.

The improved speaker and microphone on the Series 10 are also worth noting as minor upgrades. The new speaker can playback media for the first time and the microphone now features voice isolation, improving call clarity in noisy environments.

One of the more significant changes is the faster charging. The Series 10 charges to 80% in around 30 minutes, compared to 45 minutes for the Series 9, which could be a noteworthy improvement for users who frequently need quick charges. Additionally, the Series 10 introduces new finishes, including a polished Jet Black aluminum and polished titanium options, offering a more premium aesthetic.

While the Series 10 does bring some useful upgrades, like water depth and temperature sensing, faster charging and improved audio quality, most of these enhancements feel like refinements rather than essential upgrades. Unless you're particularly drawn to the refreshed design and display improvements, the faster charging, new water features, or the speaker and microphone improvements, it's hard to justify upgrading from the Series 9. For most users, the differences won't significantly impact their daily use, making the Series 10 an upgrade only for those with very specific needs or preferences.

Those with a much older Apple Watch will have much better reason to upgrade, with the improvements of successive... Click here to read rest of article

Article Link: Apple Watch Series 9 vs. Series 10 Buyer's Guide: 18 Upgrades Compared
I’d say the value proposition is negligible on upgrading from the Series 9. More compelling if you’re coming from a Series 8 or earlier though, with the new gen S9 chip underpinning near future health metrics capabilities.

I’d say best value play is to look for a deal on a Series 9 now. I scored a NEW Series 9 (45mm gps+ cell) a few months ago for $389 on Amazon that was older stock version WITH blood oxygen enabled. With uncertainty as to when Apple resolves its legal dispute with the patent holder, I think if having full biometric data is a priority, then an early build Series 9 makes the most sense.
 
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Nice. I was contemplating doing the battery service then decided against it as I really like the size of the s4 - I normally wear small watches.

I ordered a S10 Jet Black for the 20th and a Hermes but then cancelled it when I realised you can get leather band versions directly from the Hermes store. I'm still undecided over which one to keep.
Thanks for the reminder about leather. I was thinking about the Hermes version but didn't want the Silver color and non-leather band.
 
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I JUST replaced my series 3 with a series 9 last month. Too big of a discount not to jump then. It was taking just over an hour and a half to get the watch charged.

I feel aside from some animations, and bigger screen, S9 wasn't offering all that much I couldn't do already. I have maybe a few 3rd party apps that now work on the new watch, and I can use expresspass at the train, and I suppose that's nice. I still don't bother with the always on display. Blood oxygen (available in Canada) I don't think is telling me anything significant, and among those lines, Vitals on watchOS11.. I dunno. I'm never analyzing the data... and watch faces... You find the one or two you use, fighting with the one or two watch faces that can actually show the complication you wish to see where you want to see it (Some 3rd party apps can't do the corner complications, or graph... where it would be useful), and after setting the couple that work, they go in to an obscure place where they'll never be looked at again.

What hampers these devices though are poor battery life, and subsequently, neutered complication refreshes on the watch face. I figure until the CPU can get small enough to barely sip that battery, with some even more efficient screen tech, these things are going to be stuck in that daily charge grind, remaining roughly the same size for many more years.
The complications not refreshing has turned me off the Apple Watch completely. My stocks complication frequently shows the sp500 value from multiple business days ago. I need to open the stocks app and then wait a few seconds for the complication to change. Ridiculous.
 
Wow, i am speechless. One of the worst Apple watch updates ever. I am still on my AW 4 and will be for a long time. I think Apple stopped innovation since Covid. Most of their workers are chilling in home office.
The watches are hilariously boring now, but most of their newer workers were hired to check specialized new boxes Apple and Timmy seem to feel are necessary.

Perhaps innovation will return again in a decade when this movement is over.
 
Seems like a pretty minor update, but still a good one. Making the watch ultra thin with a 4-5 day battery life would be in my opinion the next big thing, and I use an Ultra 1 so I don't mind a big watch with a big battery life.

A round face would be cool, but its off brand so I doubt they would do that because the competition has done it.

I'd like an Ultra that is much thinner. I like the design, and don't mind the bezels. I have zero screen wear.

What I'd like more than anything, are better faces. The dynamic snoopy face is the best face they have ever released, and I like it, but all that does is make me ask why can't they so some more adult fun stuff......
 
Historically what kind of discounts will we see on the previous gen Apple watch when a new one is released? I have an SE(gen1) and small wrists, so the 40mm is perfect for me. I don't like the idea of going to a 42mm and would prefer the smallest increase in size as possible(series 9/41mm).

BB still shows the series 9 @ $399.
 
The Series 10 now does updates once per second instead of once per minute.
Are we certain of that? There's old WatchOS limitations with complication refreshes suggesting developers look to refresh four times an hour. Its never been every minute on S9. I have an app that has a value available to display every five minutes, 288 times a day, meaning lots of missed readings if it updates four times an hour. Developers had worked around this by getting data written to the icloud calendar, as that complication didn't have this limitation, but I think WatchOS11 is changing this to mirror the same limits of 3rd party apps.

 
Are we certain of that? There's old WatchOS limitations with complication refreshes suggesting developers look to refresh four times an hour. Its never been every minute on S9. I have an app that has a value available to display every five minutes, 288 times a day, meaning lots of missed readings if it updates four times an hour. Developers had worked around this by getting data written to the icloud calendar, as that complication didn't have this limitation, but I think WatchOS11 is changing this to mirror the same limits of 3rd party apps.


I was wondering that today. I think it’s only to support the second hand and AOD. I doubt complications will be allowed to update every second. Seems like that would be a big power draw.
 
Historically what kind of discounts will we see on the previous gen Apple watch when a new one is released? I have an SE(gen1) and small wrists, so the 40mm is perfect for me. I don't like the idea of going to a 42mm and would prefer the smallest increase in size as possible(series 9/41mm).

BB still shows the series 9 @ $399.
I'm a huge fan of Apple's refurbished products, and they currently have the lowest SE at $209 (newly discounted by $40) and the lowest Series 9 at $299 (newly discounted by $50).
 
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Are we certain of that? There's old WatchOS limitations with complication refreshes suggesting developers look to refresh four times an hour. Its never been every minute on S9. I have an app that has a value available to display every five minutes, 288 times a day, meaning lots of missed readings if it updates four times an hour. Developers had worked around this by getting data written to the icloud calendar, as that complication didn't have this limitation, but I think WatchOS11 is changing this to mirror the same limits of 3rd party apps.

I see, I misunderstood. I was thinking more about things like the timer hiding seconds on the AOD. This is more about limits on background updates.
 
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