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The explorer marketing BS is just that, a bunch of BS hype, the battery life can't support the athletes in the promo, it is not made for them at all, but whatever, stock price will rise as usual, and so it goes.
You're right of course; no expedition will make itself dependent on an Apple Watch whatever the battery run time.

However, you could have worded your opinion a bit nicer, what about "the marketing of the Apple Watch Ultra appeals to the targeted buyers" :cool: (I admit just having ordered one, for the improved battery life, and it's basically "only" USD/EUR 50.-- more expensive than a stainless steel Apple Watch).

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The watch is interesting.
But i saw some glaring stuff missing.

Hikers need a map, on garmin you have trails that show your route.
The AW Ultra has breadcrumbs.... this is totally ****.

Sure 3th party apps could solve that but is that not on apple to have this in the first place given that this product is specifically for sports such as hiking, cycling etc etc. 3th party apps also requires your iphone to be connected if you dont use LTE, so it seems like you really want LTE enabled to use this type of adventure watch to it`s fullest potential.

But it would be much better if it was a native apple solution with maps preloaded on the device itself in combination with GPS usage.

It is not clear if the device on LTE act as a standalone device or not for most stuff, and in that case have fleshed out functions. I tried my AW alot on LTE withouth the iphone and it has so many glaring shortcomings that are only fixed when you carry your iphone along as the terminal.

60 hours in battery saving mode, this probably means most functions are disabled not sure in this state if it is still a smart watch or just a glorified digital watch with most sensors turned off.

I am not too hyped yet, my AW is great but Garmin metrics are much better and indepth + tons of native training solutions build in.
 
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60 hours in battery saving mode, this probably means most functions are disabled not sure in this state if it is still a smart watch or just a glorified digital watch with most sensors turned off.

It was in the very first post - 60hrs includes:

  • 15 hours of workout
  • 600+ time checks
  • 35 minutes of app use
  • 3 minutes of talk time
  • 15 hours sleep tracking
  • 5 hours connected to iPhone via Bluetooth
 
It was in the very first post - 60hrs includes:

  • 15 hours of workout
  • 600+ time checks
  • 35 minutes of app use
  • 3 minutes of talk time
  • 15 hours sleep tracking
  • 5 hours connected to iPhone via Bluetooth
Thanks, that is honestly pretty poop! dont forget at low power mode, it will shut down various sensors/bluetooth/brightness/AOD etc, making the device a lot less appealing/useful in time of actual need such as a triathlon.

Also i bet if you have strava/kamoot or another app enabled with live tracking it will suck the battery dry much faster.
And that is in normal mode, might not work at all in battery saving mode.

I will await the first reviews of smaller youtubers for real unbiased reviews of real life usage. The hype cons aka big youtubers are never a good indicator.

But the lack of a map during hiking is for me a buzzkiller so far.

Scuba diving etc is a niche sport, majority of the people use their AW to track their walks/runs/cycling trips or stuff in the gym, and for said majority of the people it does not seem to provide anything substaintial beside a very very lackluster breadcrumb trail tracking....

If you are a triathlon participant, for tracking your runs, cycling and swimming this new watch so far only real features are the enhanced GPS and a rugged housing and a larger battery. I think most of the excersizes are still the same on the AW8 so if you have done for years with a regular AW i dont think for most runners, swimmers, and cyclist this watch will really give you much more and honestly although i hate garmin, they have a better option for said sports.

My AW4 after 4 years of skateboarding, agressive inline skating, bmxing, road cycling, running, swimming and hiking still holds up perfectly fine, no scratches/dings anything. The battery starts to show it`s age at 81% life but still for said sports it does everything perfect.

I want to pickup hiking more as a focus next to road cycling, but the lack of a detailed trail map is a big no go so far :(

Break down the watch for what it is, dont get sucked into the hype, believe me everything i see so far is not that great of a improvement over what the AW8 could have been honestly beside the rugged housing (which btw seems to scratch like hell at the bezel seeing the pics)

I still want a AW Ultra though lol because i love apple, but a budget off 1000 bucks is a lot of money that i can sink into a really nice carbon roadbike (3~5k euro)
 
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It depends on your use case.
For me a day of mountain biking without my iPhone would be perfect - especially knowing I can track my rides wile using cellular for messages and calls and not worry about the watch dying on me part way through the day.
Agreed. Between kids and work I rarely get two nights camping. But two days out, with all these features and (apparently) no need to charge, is a win.
 
for said majority of the people it does not seem to provide anything substaintial beside a very very lackluster breadcrumb trail tracking....
This is the feature I miss most from my old garmin gecko. That thing was a basic breadcrumb / compass GPS unit and may be the most useful piece of tech I’ve ever owned. Being able to either follow your trail home or at least orient with the compass makes true exploration safer and less stressful.

After six years of use, I lost my gecko on a canoeing trip because it wasn’t strapped down properly. That thing on my wrist? *chef kiss*
 
For those people saying 36 hours is not enough for their extremely awesome adventure Amazon trip they are doing every weekend, do you guys not charge your phone while out there? Are you guys so hardcore that you just don't bring phone, external battery, etc. Just your watch? I don't understand. Why can't you just charge at night, while pooping, eating, or doing something that you don't actively have to use the watch? I mean, out of 36 hours, there must be tens of minutes that would allow you to charge your watch.
Exactly. I’d assume those kinds of people bring a way to charge some gear. Maybe this watch isn’t for the super hardcore adventurer but should be good enough for most.

The same people complaining about might even own an SUV meant for off-road but never drive it off the streets. People buy things for purposes they never use all the time.
 
People are fooled once again. Do they mistake 60 HOURS for 60 Days? 60 hours is not long if on an adventure… but Garmin and you have 60 DAYS of battery.
The Garmin has all the same features I’d assume and still gets that battery life? If not, it’s not a direct comparison.
 
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The watch is interesting.
But i saw some glaring stuff missing.

Hikers need a map, on garmin you have trails that show your route.
The AW Ultra has breadcrumbs.... this is totally ****.

Sure 3th party apps could solve that but is that not on apple to have this in the first place given that this product is specifically for sports such as hiking, cycling etc etc. 3th party apps also requires your iphone to be connected if you dont use LTE, so it seems like you really want LTE enabled to use this type of adventure watch to it`s fullest potential.

But it would be much better if it was a native apple solution with maps preloaded on the device itself in combination with GPS usage.

It is not clear if the device on LTE act as a standalone device or not for most stuff, and in that case have fleshed out functions. I tried my AW alot on LTE withouth the iphone and it has so many glaring shortcomings that are only fixed when you carry your iphone along as the terminal.

60 hours in battery saving mode, this probably means most functions are disabled not sure in this state if it is still a smart watch or just a glorified digital watch with most sensors turned off.

I am not too hyped yet, my AW is great but Garmin metrics are much better and indepth + tons of native training solutions build in.
Apple is large enough that they could solve the issues of trails. They could give the watch for free to pay hikers to map things for them.
 
The watch is interesting.
But i saw some glaring stuff missing.

Hikers need a map, on garmin you have trails that show your route.
The AW Ultra has breadcrumbs.... this is totally ****.

Sure 3th party apps could solve that but is that not on apple to have this in the first place given that this product is specifically for sports such as hiking, cycling etc etc. 3th party apps also requires your iphone to be connected if you dont use LTE, so it seems like you really want LTE enabled to use this type of adventure watch to it`s fullest potential.

But it would be much better if it was a native apple solution with maps preloaded on the device itself in combination with GPS usage.

It is not clear if the device on LTE act as a standalone device or not for most stuff, and in that case have fleshed out functions. I tried my AW alot on LTE withouth the iphone and it has so many glaring shortcomings that are only fixed when you carry your iphone along as the terminal.

60 hours in battery saving mode, this probably means most functions are disabled not sure in this state if it is still a smart watch or just a glorified digital watch with most sensors turned off.

I am not too hyped yet, my AW is great but Garmin metrics are much better and indepth + tons of native training solutions build in.

I agree that Apple should add the ability to show maps in the first party Workout app, but just wanted to say that the third party app WorkOutDoors is really great for hiking, and lets you download maps to the watch, so you can use them even without LTE or your phone.
 
This is simple marketing hype to give it a rugged appeal. Most are not using it like the video. i am sure a lot of Garmin’s customers are people that like the image. The bigger battery in the watch will be the main selling point, but that alone doesn’t translate to a beautiful video.
 
How often are you talking on the phone when you're climbing a mountain or forging a new trail through the Amazon?
People get lost in the Rockies pretty frequently. Often enough that for a while (and maybe still) if you need to be found by search teams they might charge you if they deem you as being overly reckless as the reason for getting lost or stuck. Officially in 2021 1600 people in North America were presumed missing in National Parks and in undeveloped areas in the US. Many more people are just "missing" and may have gone to nearby areas like Mt Rainier or the Black Hills in South Dakota and just didn't tell anyone where they were going and got lost or hurt. Even in non-mountainous areas if there isn't a nearby cell tower then having a phone doesn't do you any good if you get lost or your car breaks down. And that describes large areas in the northern plains, the American Southwest and the Rockies and probably a huge percentage of Alaska.
 
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Had my 7 Sapphire Solar for 10 days so far and haven’t had to plug it in one time. Been wearing it 24/7 with all sensors on. Came from an AW 7 Stainless. Loving it so far. For endurance athletes and those who need a robust navigation device I don’t see how it can be beat.
I have the instinct 2 Solar and normally get 9-10 days without a charge (at least one hour of walking with GPS each day). Turned off oxi-measurement during the day but have it enabled during the night for advanced sleep tracking.
Love the display of days left on a charge instead of a percentage!
Solar charging works best for me when out sailing or kayaking. Last kayak trip over a sunny July weekend the battery had one day more charge at the end than at the start, this with 6-8 hours of gps activity per day.
 
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It's also double the price of the series 8, and more than triple the price of the SE in my country. Unless you reaaaallly need a rugged watch were I live. You're much better off with one of those two and topping up the battery while you're in the shower.

If you're a baller with tons of cash then doesn't matter you should just by top of the line everything. Unfortunately most people aren't ballin'
It's an outdoor watch. It's meant to compete against Garmins and Suuntos, which have similar price points. You're making fun of the battery life but not all athletes that are in the market for one of these need more than what it's offering. Stop acting like you know what you're talking about.
 
Still blown away at the price point for this! Thought it would be higher.

Makes me wish I was more adventurous... 😜
I mean I expected it to be a little higher too but you are still spending close to a thousand dollars for a watch that will be obsolete in a few years. That’s a lot of money for a disposable watch.
 
I mean I expected it to be a little higher too but you are still spending close to a thousand dollars for a watch that will be obsolete in a few years. That’s a lot of money for a disposable watch.
$1500 NZD for a watch that will last at best 3 years, before becoming largely just a digital watch.

By comparison, that would get me a Casio G-Shock Mudmaster Carbon, with a 2 year warranty and 10 year battery.
Or I could get a Tissot Seastar, Seiko Legrand Sport, or any number of watches in the $1500 range that would last for decades.
 
$1500 NZD for a watch that will last at best 3 years, before becoming largely just a digital watch.

By comparison, that would get me a Casio G-Shock Mudmaster Carbon, with a 2 year warranty and 10 year battery.
Or I could get a Tissot Seastar, Seiko Legrand Sport, or any number of watches in the $1500 range that would last for decades.
I don't know why people compare a mechanical watch or a simple digital watch with an Apple Watch in terms of how long it will last. I don't think a regular watch has fall detection, communicates with your phone, can dial emergency services...etc. Of course a old style watch will be functional much longer. You can keep an Apple Watch longer than 3 years so 'at best' isn't close to accurate. You may want to upgrade after 3 years and most do but this Ultra watch I'm sure would be usable after 3 years. Might need to replace the battery but that's it.
 
I don't know why people compare a mechanical watch or a simple digital watch with an Apple Watch in terms of how long it will last. I don't think a regular watch has fall detection, communicates with your phone, can dial emergency services...etc. Of course a old style watch will be functional much longer. You can keep an Apple Watch longer than 3 years so 'at best' isn't close to accurate. You may want to upgrade after 3 years and most do but this Ultra watch I'm sure would be usable after 3 years. Might need to replace the battery but that's it.
I agree - but if we are simply comparing longevity vs price, then the standard watch will always win. Much like a Nokia 3210 will always win on battery life against an iPhone.

I'll still be getting an Ultra. It's not really just a watch to me, anyway. It'll also be a PLB, Phone, messaging device and map/GPS unit while I am mountain biking, so it's doing a lot more than telling time.

And using my Series 2 as an example - yes it's usable still - it gets used while I charge my Series 6, but it's slow, most apps don't really run properly on it and it's not much more than a fancy digital watch...with the ability to take calls.
 
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I agree - but if we are simply comparing longevity vs price, then the standard watch will always win. Much like a Nokia 3210 will always win on battery life against an iPhone.

I'll still be getting an Ultra. It's not really just a watch to me, anyway. It'll also be a PLB, Phone, messaging device and map/GPS unit while I am mountain biking, so it's doing a lot more than telling time.

And using my Series 2 as an example - yes it's usable still - it gets used while I charge my Series 6, but it's slow, most apps don't really run properly on it and it's not much more than a fancy digital watch...with the ability to take calls.
The functional life of these watches is still short at around 6 years. Apple could probably improve this but might be a larger watch. And they'd rather sell a new one. But maybe they could release a version of WatchOS meant for outdated devices that turns it into simply a digital watch with some minor features.
 
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The functional life of these watches is still short at around 6 years. Apple could probably improve this but might be a larger watch. And they'd rather sell a new one. But maybe they could release a version of WatchOS meant for outdated devices that turns it into simply a digital watch with some minor features.
I think ultimately, they want us all to upgrade on a semi-annual basis.
Keeping these going probably wouldn't be that hard, but it would go against all Apple business principles.
 
The functional life of these watches is still short at around 6 years. Apple could probably improve this but might be a larger watch. And they'd rather sell a new one. But maybe they could release a version of WatchOS meant for outdated devices that turns it into simply a digital watch with some minor features.
Doesn’t the first one basically work like it did when it was new… other than battery life? I have one around here but haven’t picked it up since I got the AW4. I might try it out since you peaked my interest.
 
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Doesn’t the first one basically work like it did when it was new… other than battery life? I have one around here but haven’t picked it up since I got the AW4. I might try it out since you peaked my interest.
I don't have an older one anymore but at a certain point, you can't upgrade the software anymore. I think Apple just dropped support for Apple Watch 3 from WatchOS 9 if I'm right about that. But should still work.
 
I don't have an older one anymore but at a certain point, you can't upgrade the software anymore. I think Apple just dropped support for Apple Watch 3 from WatchOS 9 if I'm right about that. But should still work.
If it basically did the same stuff it did when you bought it, it already tells time and does basic functions. I think you would need to switch out the battery eventually if you decided to never update, though.
 
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