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Still, you're wrong. Apple would have to buy Verizon too.. and all other world companies... so therefore.. Apple would control the entire world's communication.. I don't think the government would allow that. Especially since they would only handle the iPhone..
 
Still, you're wrong. Apple would have to buy Verizon too.. and all other world companies... so therefore.. Apple would control the entire world's communication.. I don't think the government would allow that. Especially since they would only handle the iPhone..

Why buy Verizon? That would be where Android, Blackberries, and WinPho7 go so that Apple would skirt anti-monopoly rules.
 
You want sleek and unobtrusive? Then you should support Apple buying AT&T since Apple would make it so that you wouldn't even care about what network you are running on, just that you are using an iPhone. Apple already has all your contact and credit card info and the monthly charges would just show up on your iTunes account. When you buy an iPhone, there will be no hassle in deciding what network you can run on or even to consider. It simplifies the experience and focuses it on the iPhone.

OK. Say Apple does buy AT&T, it would also seem likely that Apple would then renege on having VZW as a carrier since they would then be direct competitors. Or say they continue to allow VZW as a carrier but force them to pay some type of major royalty fees to have the iPhone which VZW would then be compelled to pass on to the customer. Thus putting VZW iPhones in an even higher tier of pricing, out of reach for even more people.

So in effect, a merger of Apple and AT&T would cause either VZW customers to lose their service or pay much higher fees. Plus areas not serviced by AT&T would effectively lock out any potential customers from owning an iPhone, creating more unhappy customers who would otherwise purchase an iPhone on VZW or AT&T.

That is counterproductive to sales.

Let's add in that a merger or buyout would have to be regulated by several federal agencies, SEC, FCC, FTC, Justice Department etc... That's a lot of fees, applications, proceedings, meetings, lawyers and so on. Then there would be the anti-trust factor too.

It all sounds like way too much of a headache and not worthwhile for Apple or any tech company aside from another phone company to buy a phone company.

A more plausible solution would be for Apple to create their own cellular phone service division, rather than buy an existing major one such as AT&T.

Oh, and what would Apple do with AT&T's landline and long distance divisions?

Oh, and one more thing.... IF Apple did buy AT&T, I can foresee a whole lot of people losing their jobs, as a company takeover would evaluate and streamline the newly acquired company. That's a standard practice in business. While from the business aspect, streamlining is great, but from the labor perspective, it would be bad news for many. Lord knows, AT&T probably could use some major streamlining to become more profitable and cost-effective.

But I am curious as to why you are so adamant about this topic. One cannot seriously believe that this would ever happen.
 
You have your thoughts backwards. Apple is worth $268 billion, AT&T is worth $75 billion. Not the other way around. Apple can afford AT&T.

According to the latest stock closing, Apple is worth $327.8 Billion and AT&T $168.2 Billion. Even that said, this is dumb and Apple would never do this. Apple doesn't even have that much cash laying around, the market cap doesn't mean you have that much cash to buy things, it is estimated that Apple has around $51 Billion in cash.
 
OK. Say Apple does buy AT&T, it would also seem likely that Apple would then renege on having VZW as a carrier since they would then be direct competitors. Or say they continue to allow VZW as a carrier but force them to pay some type of major royalty fees to have the iPhone which VZW would then be compelled to pass on to the customer. Thus putting VZW iPhones in an even higher tier of pricing, out of reach for even more people.

So in effect, a merger of Apple and AT&T would cause either VZW customers to lose their service or pay much higher fees. Plus areas not serviced by AT&T would effectively lock out any potential customers from owning an iPhone, creating more unhappy customers who would otherwise purchase an iPhone on VZW or AT&T.

That is counterproductive to sales.

Let's add in that a merger or buyout would have to be regulated by several federal agencies, SEC, FCC, FTC, Justice Department etc... That's a lot of fees, applications, proceedings, meetings, lawyers and so on. Then there would be the anti-trust factor too.

It all sounds like way too much of a headache and not worthwhile for Apple or any tech company aside from another phone company to buy a phone company.

A more plausible solution would be for Apple to create their own cellular phone service division, rather than buy an existing major one such as AT&T.

Oh, and what would Apple do with AT&T's landline and long distance divisions?

Oh, and one more thing.... IF Apple did buy AT&T, I can foresee a whole lot of people losing their jobs, as a company takeover would evaluate and streamline the newly acquired company. That's a standard practice in business. While from the business aspect, streamlining is great, but from the labor perspective, it would be bad news for many. Lord knows, AT&T probably could use some major streamlining to become more profitable and cost-effective.

But I am curious as to why you are so adamant about this topic. One cannot seriously believe that this would ever happen.

Company buyouts and mergers happen all the time. By your logic, no other company would ever buy or merge with another one because of all the fees and regulations.

And I want this to happen because the incumbent cell phone carriers do not provide good service. They are the anti-Internet and must be dissolved. Everywhere is more nickel and dime fees for basic features. Long distance and international service are abhorrent. You can easily spend more money on cell phone service than gassing up and fixing your car every month.
 
Company buyouts and mergers happen all the time. By your logic, no other company would ever buy or merge with another one because of all the fees and regulations.

Really? I think my logic is based solely on the case of Apple & AT&T coming together; it's not a good fit.

If they can afford it, then do it.

Based on this logic, just because people found the ability to create the atomic bomb in the 1940's, does that mean they should have?

And I want this to happen because the incumbent cell phone carriers do not provide good service.

Well if you want this to happen, then maybe you shouldn't be posting your thoughts here on MR and instead lobby Steve Jobs and Apple's board of directors along with Randall Stephenson and AT&T's board of directors. Those are the folks that can make it happen if they so desire.

They are the anti-Internet and must be dissolved.

uhhh, no comment.:rolleyes:

Everywhere is more nickel and dime fees for basic features. Long distance and international service are abhorrent. You can easily spend more money on cell phone service than gassing up and fixing your car every month.

That's doubtful. I am one person, with one iPhone and one vehicle. I assure you that I spend way more on my vehicle in fuel and maintenance than I do a monthly service fee to AT&T.
 
According to the latest stock closing, Apple is worth $327.8 Billion and AT&T $168.2 Billion. Even that said, this is dumb and Apple would never do this. Apple doesn't even have that much cash laying around, the market cap doesn't mean you have that much cash to buy things, it is estimated that Apple has around $51 Billion in cash.

It still doesn't work that way. Even if Apple is worth 2x more than AT&T, it still doesn't mean Apple can buy them. Like you said, Market Caps mean crap when buying decisions come.

It's all about current assets, patent portfolio (which AT&T has managed to have grown ever since back in 1880s), engineering and logistics.

Apple doesn't have the assets to buy AT&T and most certainly does not currently need their patent portfolio or anything else AT&T has. Sure it might help them in some way, but not to the extent of buying out AT&T.
 
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put down the pipe

you should have waited to April 1 to post this thing, what a joke
 
This would be like saying Apple should buy Disney because that way they could produce all the content they wanted, in the exact way they wanted, and then sell it on iTunes for a reduced price to make customers happy. It's just the next logical step in their quest to sell content...

Clearly, either move is unlikely to happen.

Apple already owns Disney - they sneaked their way in via Pixar.

This is only half a joke, since this article was written, as far as I know, Jobs has (or at least had) a seat on Disney's board of directors, as it's largest single stockholder.
 
I don't know why I read all of these replies, but the first page really scared me. People were actually defending themselves as if this were any sort of possibility. And the I got to the second page and read from people who just think the OP is a jokster. Look at all of his previous posts ever, you'll see that you shouldn't even provide him with logical information, as he will never accept it, but also that he posts ridiculous things like this all the time.
 
I don't know why I read all of these replies, but the first page really scared me. People were actually defending themselves as if this were any sort of possibility. And the I got to the second page and read from people who just think the OP is a jokster. Look at all of his previous posts ever, you'll see that you shouldn't even provide him with logical information, as he will never accept it, but also that he posts ridiculous things like this all the time.

Why would this even scare you? It's just business. And no, I'm not joking.
 
It's just logical for Apple to buy up AT&T and become a wholly integrated cell phone carrier company that makes both the phones and operates the network. This provides the maximum control that Apple desires. It will then be able to lock out everyone on the whole consumer chain and Apple will control EVERYTHING. No longer will Apple have to put SIM chips in the phone, it will just do everything through iTunes. Android phones? No way in hell.

If Apple does it right and reduces the prices for monthly plans, then I'm all in support of it. If Apple simplifies the monthly plans so that they are truly unlimited without all the extra hidden fees for basic features like caller ID, then I'm all for it.

Android will buy Verizon. Mark my words.



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According to the latest stock closing, Apple is worth $327.8 Billion and AT&T $168.2 Billion. Even that said, this is dumb and Apple would never do this. Apple doesn't even have that much cash laying around, the market cap doesn't mean you have that much cash to buy things, it is estimated that Apple has around $51 Billion in cash.

That's market cap, not total value. AT&T is 21 on the Fortune 500, Apple is 197. Besides the fact that Apple couldn't buy ATT outright without spending nearly all its reserve assets and doing a huge stock swap, there is NO way the SEC would approve the merger. The whole reason the old AT&T got broken up was because Ma Bell wanted to get into the computer industry, this would just bring everything full circle.
 
Why would this even scare you? It's just business. And no, I'm not joking.

First, AT&T is way more than just a cell company. They are a landline company, an internet backbone company, a cable company, and quite a few other things as well.

The only portion that makes any sense for Apple to even be interested in is the Wireless division. They wouldn't buy the whole thing just to get Wireless. And the parent won't sell just the Wireless - it's too much of a 'future profit' division to sell. (Revenue of $31.4 billion last year.)

Is it possible for Apple to acquire AT&T? Yes. It would be ugly, but it is possible. Does it make any business sense at all? No. It might make sense for Apple to acquire just the wireless division, but that is extremely doubtful.

Apple could acquire Sprint, or U.S. Cellular, or Alltel, etc. Or they could create (as was widely rumored before the iPhone's launch,) a virtual carrier, where they buy bandwidth from major carriers, and rebrand it as their own. (Like TracPhone, Boost, or Virgin Mobile.)
 
Does the OP realize that a takeover of AT&T would be a $200 billion+ purchase for Apple? I'm not sure if they could even pull that off and if they could it would get very ugly very quickly for Apple. The move makes no sense.
 
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Does the OP realize that a takeover of AT&T would be a $200 billion+ purchase for Apple? I'm not sure if they could even pull that off and if they could it would get very ugly very quickly for Apple. The move makes no sense.

Unless Apple becomes a trillion-are company in the future.

It's stupid now but if Apple has plenty of money to do it in the future I think SJ would do it.
 
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