Apple Will Delay Bringing Employees Back to Offices Until at Least October

[gbc204]

These spoiled scumbags… Hahaha, one more month… that’s what 30 days?

Get back to work people. These cry babies got to go so they can look for another job if they don’t appreciate working inside the spaceship.

These corporate employees are so lazy. They clearly don’t want to go back to the office. It’s just an excuse for these lazy workers to work inside homes and eat lays chips.

You can’t expect INNOVATION, CREATIVITY, and MOTIVATION. This is just an excuse. Let’s be real we know these lazy workers are putting in 2 hours of work and they are chilling, eating lays chips, and eating Oreo cookies for 7 hours.

what DJ Khaled said… hugging your pillow. Shame on you… Played Yourself.

Apple: FIRE THEM! DON’T GET PLAYED, DON'T GET BULLIED.

"Hahaha, one more month… that’s what 30 days?"
Congrats, you cracked the code.

Do you think the people aren't working just because they're not in the office? I don't know anyone who works LESS now that they're working remotely. I know quite a few Apple employees, and they all work more. Meetings start earlier in the day, end later in the day. Because they don't have to commute. How's Apple doing these days? The idea that people need to be in an office to be productive has been completely disproven over the past year. Yes, some people need to go into work- people who physically make products and prototypes. Retail employees. People who work on the website don't need to be sitting next to other people to make the website work. Do you know any Apple employees and their Oreo consumption? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

 

[vvs14]

The comments just make me laugh. Why is it any of your business if Apple employees want to work remotely and if Apple allows it or not? Its between them and Apple. If you think Apple should hire you just because you are willing to go in to work, just apply. There are hundreds of job openings with Apple right now. And if you think there are hundreds of people who could replace current Apple employees who want to work remotely, you have no idea how wrong you are. Its extremely hard to find good replacement for trained engineers, not just for Apple, but any company. Having a degree does not make you qualified.

 

[jk73]

I don't know anyone who works LESS now that they're working remotely. I know quite a few Apple employees, and they all work more.

Yeah, everyone wants to keep WFH so they can work more.

That’s hilarious.

 

[icwhatudidthere]

No, I’m bitter because WWDC was a total snoozefest and because I’ve been waiting two years for MBP updates. I’m tired of hearing about all of these Apple WFH geniuses who are all so talented and irreplaceable.

Wait what? Apple told the world it would be a two year transition. Are you thinking Apple would have finished an architecture transition in 1 year if only they hadn't worked from home?

 

[jk73]

Wait what? Apple told the world it would be a two year transition. Are you thinking Apple would have finished an architecture transition in 1 year if only they hadn't worked from home?

Now do WWDC. Now do Apple’s software quality control, which is abysmal.

 

[coolfactor]

Just because LA County has had its covid-19 issues doesn't mean where Apple has its campus's in Silicon Valley is seeing the same Mark. Your really reaching this time for a story.

Newsflash... there's a whole world outside of the United States. Cases have been increasing elsewhere in the world, too.

 

[jk73]

Newsflash... there's a whole world outside of the United States. Cases have been increasing elsewhere in the world, too.

Why are we still talking about cases? The Yankees had six cases this week but five of them had no symptoms and the sixth had mild symptoms. Big deal.

Two years ago, people would go to work sick so they could save their sick days for when they’re healthy. Now we’re shutting down the world because of mostly asymptomatic cases. Lunacy.

 

[Realityck]

There is nothing in the local news representing Apple's campuses that discusses Apple needing to change the date employees will return.

 

[Mainsail]

See below. A collection of comments from members who are clearly directly talking/insulting apple employees and caring about what their return to work plan is. Sure, you're right, others, including myself, have to make a decision to return to the office but these people below are a little bit too obsessed with what others are doing. Insulting others is strange and out of bounds when it impacts you 0%. Odd

I agree that there is no reason to be offensive or insulting, but I understand why people feel compelled to comment even though they are not Apple employees or directly impacted by Apple policies. Apple is the most valuable company in the world, so it sets something of a standard for other tech firms. What Apple does could affect other employees indirectly. Also, the general issue of post shut down return to work is of interest to millions and millions of people. People have strong feelings about it.

 

[Mainsail]

Why are we still talking about cases? The Yankees had six cases this week but five of them had no symptoms and the sixth had mild symptoms. Big deal.

Two years ago, people would go to work sick so they could save their sick days for when they’re healthy. Now we’re shutting down the world because of mostly asymptomatic cases. Lunacy.

You bring up a fair point. In the USA, only about 68% of adults have received at least one shot, but 91% of the population 65-74 have had at least one dose, and 87% of the population over 75+ have had at least one dose. These age ranges make up a huge percentage of the deaths prior to the wide-spread availability of the vaccine. Now that a large percentage of the elderly are vaccinated, it seems like the mortality should drop substantially. And, it has.

 

[GirlinCali]

I know this will spark outrage, but as long as half the US refuses to vaccinate, we should be shutting things down again anyway. Our response has been pathetic. Can you imagine us responding to the world wars this way? Having the tools at our disposal to defeat a common enemy and doing so little about it. The UK, as well, has been terrible.

There has been no long term planning. Our success and failure have been at the mercy of the pharmaceutical industry, which have been a godsend and the only part of this that have worked, and then we reject the gift. So we have to make alternative plans because this virus will keep mutating and the vaccines will keep getting weaker in their effect.

I say shut down the retail stores, as well. Delta is percolating in more people than we know including the vaccinated, mutating.

This is now a long term problem and it requires cohesiveness. Global vaccination. What an embarrassment that we can't even vaccinate the country where the vaccine is most available.

I doubt Apple backed down as much from the original letter's complaint as they did from the health reality that everyone is facing. But they should do the right thing and shutter the retail stores for all their employees then.

we are in this mess, because the real crybabies wont get vaccinated. This variant is taking out those who wont vaccinate . so we will have to wait till they are all gone, then the rest of us can go back to work... get vaccinated people. my company as well is not going back until October, and now might be pushed back, all because people are afriad of a little shot. THEY are the real crybabies. One of the greatest countries in the world and its people are behaving like two year olds. get the shot people! stop spreading this variant, the rest of us DO want to go back to work.

 

[Madhatter32]

Let me know when someone does. Besides the board and timmy NOBODY has a say.

Some dude in Omaha has a say if he wanted. If you work a little harder, you could too.

 

[wimdows]

Most of you are living in cloud coo-coo land.

Remote working for the majority of office workers for 60-100% of their working week is totally inevitable. The genie has been let out of the bottle, and it ain’t going back.

Apple will lose out on talent in the long run if they aren’t more flexible.

Enormously short-sighted and pretty dumb to not see this real-time paradigm-shift happening under our very eyes.

 

[dgrey]

It’s pure madness to force people back to the office at this point in time. If people feel unsafe, they should be allowed to work from home until covid is gone. Let the people that want to go back to the office back in September, but let the people that aren’t comfortable putting themselves in danger from covid stay where they are.

If they are vaccinated, they don’t have anything to fear.

 

[Steve Adams]

Most of you are living in cloud coo-coo land.

Remote working for the majority of office workers for 60-100% of their working week is totally inevitable. The genie has been let out of the bottle, and it ain’t going back.

Apple will lose out on talent in the long run if they aren’t more flexible.

Enormously short-sighted and pretty dumb to not see this real-time paradigm-shift happening under our very eyes.

The one's complaining are jealous!

 

[Arran]

The one's complaining are jealous!

Or invested in commercial real estate? More so if they borrowed to invest pre-pandemic.

 

[Steve Adams]

Or invested in commercial real estate? More so if they borrowed to invest pre-pandemic.

That's their own fault.

 

[hans1972]

A solution needs to be worked out for employees and Apple. Apple can do this with its employees. Together they can find a common ground.

If Apple wants 0% working from home and some Apple employees want 100%, how do you find common ground?

 

[hans1972]

This is silly. Those same people could have been out and about 15 months ago. Deaths are down because COVID creamed the most vulnerable last year, not because vaccines suddenly made it safe for 30-somethings to be in a pub. How can people still not understand this?

That's not true for countries which handled it properly last year. Less people than normal died in 2020 in Norway where I live.

In both the second and third wave this year the number of people dying increased. It wasn't until the older part of the population got vaccinated we saw that hospihlizations went down.

 

[Mainsail]

If they are vaccinated, they don’t have anything to fear.

Exactly, I dont understand the logic of not returning to work because of COVID concerns. Get vaccinated! Either we believe vaccines work or we don't. We can't have officials advocating for vaccination, singing the praises of their efficacy and low transmissibility, but then spinning around and advocating for policies that treat the vaccinated like they are unvaccinated. It is a twisted pretzel of logic that simply undermines the whole argument for getting vaccinated.

I am tired of coddling those that refuse to get vaccinated. I am tired of the notion that vaccinated people need to change their behavior to accommodate unvaccinated people. This whole idea that we can't go back to the office so we can protect unvaccinated people is ridiculous.

To motivate folks, we need more differentiation not less. Not vaccinated? Want to take the chance? Don't like health officials telling you what to do? Think this is a government overreach or some type of conspiracy? Fine. Then take responsibility and pay the bill if you get sick. Maybe Health Insurance should not cover eligible unvaccinated for COVID illness. Don't push your medical bills on the rest of the insured vaccinated population. That might be a start.

 

[dgrey]

Exactly, I dont understand the logic of not returning to work because of COVID concerns. Get vaccinated! Either we believe vaccines work or we don't. We can't have officials advocating for vaccination, singing the praises of their efficacy and low transmissibility, but then spinning around and advocating for policies that treat the vaccinated like they are unvaccinated. It is a twisted pretzel of logic that simply undermines the whole argument for getting vaccinated.

I am tired of coddling those that refuse to get vaccinated. I am tired of the notion that vaccinated people need to change their behavior to accommodate unvaccinated people. This whole idea that we can't go back to the office so we can protect unvaccinated people is ridiculous.

To motivate folks, we need more differentiation not less. Not vaccinated? Want to take the chance? Don't like health officials telling you what to do? Think this is a government overreach or some type of conspiracy? Fine. Then take responsibility and pay the bill if you get sick. Maybe Health Insurance should not cover eligible unvaccinated for COVID illness. Don't push your medical bills on the rest of the insured vaccinated population. That might be a start.

100% completely agree. While the pandemic was originally a pandemic of everyone, it is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated. And that’s their choice. They will need to live with the consequences of their decision.

 

[jk73]

That's not true for countries which handled it properly last year. Less people than normal died in 2020 in Norway where I live.

In both the second and third wave this year the number of people dying increased. It wasn't until the older part of the population got vaccinated we saw that hospihlizations went down.

I can’t believe people still don’t understand the basics.

Norway didn’t handle anything ”properly.” Norway simply has a much healthier population compared to places like the U.S. and Mexico (fattest two countries on the planet), etc.

 

[isoft7]

Some of you are angry lunatics.

 

[dmelgar]

The average age of a COVID death is ~83. There was never any reason to shut down the world rather than shut down the nursing homes and tell older people to stay home.

Untrue. Cite a reputable source. This smells of disinformation from people who want to believe COVID is some political conspiracy.

 

[nicho]

Untrue. Cite a reputable source. This smells of disinformation from people who want to believe COVID is some political conspiracy.

If there’s one thing I disagree with more than disinformation, it’s claiming disinformation as fact without a hint of irony.

Average age of those who had died with COVID-19 - Office for National Statistics

What they claimed is true, not untrue. Please retract and shift the debate to whether cherry-picking the median (rather than mean) age of deaths calculated in England and Wales to October 2020 (not even the first half of the pandemic, at this point) is authoritative or truly reflective of the situation today. Should the fact someone once blocked a toilet in 1970s Japan lead me to conclude I should defecate on the floor instead?