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Yes, nice. One problem though. The nice video of the touch only device came out nearly a year after the iPhone introduction, nearly half a year after it was comercially available.

Android was clearly targeting Windows Mobile, which had both touch and non-touch versions. (You can immediately tell article writers without longterm smartphone experience; they repeat the nonsense about Android trying to be like Blackberry. The Android Sooner keyboard device was a version of a known WinMo phone.)

Now, Android devs like Dianne Hackborn say that they had flipped to working on the touch version before the iPhone came out. Perhaps, but there's no doubt that it had a huge effect on their management's goals.

Heck, the iPhone helped me a lot because suddenly customers were more amenable to touch-friendly designs which they had previously regarded as frivolous toys. The point is, people knew how to do nice touch UIs, no copying needed; they just need management buy-in, and that is the iPhone's most important contribution: if a big company such as Apple liked touch, then it must be okay.

Point is, that in the devellopement phase, in the SECRET devellopement phase, nobody seems to have expected something like the iPhone (not surprising after the ROKR desaster) but suddenly, AFTER release, they where always thinking about it.

Actually, everyone in the industry expected an all touch phone, but oddly not from Apple. The whole world knew an iPhone was coming, but even the Apple fanboys' concept iPhones looked like iPods.

Besides, here the question is not really who was there first, but who protected it first? Who got the patents and are they correct?

Well, it's a good thing that early computer pioneers weren't a lawsuit happy lot, otherwise Apple and the Mac might never have existed.

Most software patents are just wrong. Many countries don't allow them. The USA didn't until fairly recently. And many smart people in the USA had hoped that Congress' patent reforms would ban them again.

General ideas like a box that searches both local contacts and contacts on the web, do not deserve patents. Perhaps a specific implementation would, except that actual code is already covered by copyright protection.
 
Bunch of sad people.

Bunch of sad sad sad people indeed. By their squeaky clean standards, Google and Samsung are not rolling in dough and their hardware is manufactured under the strictest of human rights guidelines and utmost quality (read plastic). And if some of their hardware obviously infringes upon Apple design, well, what came first: the chicken or the egg? Or, in their worldview, the Apple or the Noodle? Their software is another thing altogether, its provenance having such level of originality and undeniable imprint that it is only fitting that Google and Samsung ought to go after Apple for infringement. Or something like that.
 
No matter what you think about the merits of patenting user interfaces and software, or the ability of judges to fairly and intelligently adjudicate disputes, I don't blame Apple for using the same legal maneuvers that their competitors do.
 
I think this is where a lot of us outside the US are puzzled.

Windows XP allowed this back in 2001 - prior to the patent being filed in 2004. The US patent office seems to grant patents that would be dismissed elsewhere in the world.

I believe Windows XP's search required you to explicitly select what you wanted to search (files, contacts, emails). In that respect, it is not like Spotlight, and quite different to the "universal interface" that Apple has patented here.

Edit: Also, I don't think it showed/updated results "as you type", which is another key aspect of this patent.
 
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The web on a phone before the iPhone didn't suck any more than the web on the first iPhone sucked. Actually, it sucked less since the other EDGE only phones used WAP, which is a perfectly appropriate technology to use when limited to EDGE. Browsing WAP on an EDGE only phone sucked much less than browsing full HTML5 pages on the EDGE only iPhone.



So you're acknowledging that having to wait for a page sucks but then claim it doesn't matter???

So wait, the original iPhone sucked!? :confused: really?

And again, speed does not determine whether or not the web experience sucks or not. You can have slow speeds on fast connections. Doesn't make it suck either. Two different things. Not to mention you had WiFi as a speed option. The browser was what made the web great on the iPhone. Clearly backed by the fact of its heavy use from the start. Subsiquently,all the slow downs caused on the AT&T network by the many iphone users. That sucked, but still proves the point that it was so heavly used. If speed ment that much. It clearly wouldn't have made the iPhone that great in your opinion. But that did not happen. Obviously. As we are 6 revisions from the original and still going. Still not fully 4G and still selling well. still long lines of people waiting for the next new iPhone.
 
Bunch of sad sad sad people indeed. By their squeaky clean standards, Google and Samsung are not rolling in dough and their hardware is manufactured under the strictest of human rights guidelines and utmost quality (read plastic). And if some of their hardware obviously infringes upon Apple design, well, what came first: the chicken or the egg? Or, in their worldview, the Apple or the Noodle? Their software is another thing altogether, its provenance having such level of originality and undeniable imprint that it is only fitting that Google and Samsung ought to go after Apple for infringement. Or something like that.

That bunch of losers have never bought iDevices before, so what are they bocyotting exactly?
 
Funny stuff, glad I got my GNEx already. And with Jelly Bean now installed on it, it's smooth as can be so I guess Apple ties Android in the department of smoothness now. EVERYTHING ELSE Android wins!
 
Lol, what about the Android home screen looks like the iOS home screen?

Android 2.3 home screen:

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But maybe you're right, maybe it looked exactly like iOS and was then changed. Oh wait, here's the Android 1.0 home screen:

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I'll repeat......
You don't get to make that final judgement call. The courts do!
Otherwise your just giving an opinion which again does not equal fact and or law.
 
Funny stuff, glad I got my GNEx already. And with Jelly Bean now installed on it, it's smooth as can be so I guess Apple ties Android in the department of smoothness now. EVERYTHING ELSE Android wins!

Ok, Android still wins on malwares and useless junk apps. Oh wait, JB is only for 0.01% Android users.
 
Ok, Android still wins on malwares and useless junk apps. Oh wait, JB is only for 0.01% Android users.

Ha, you don't think there's useless junk apps on the AppStore? And what malware? I've never downloaded any of that.

Listen, I tried to use the iPad 3 I got my Dad for Father's Day and all I got was frustrated at all the stuff I COULDN'T do on it, that I can do on android. I typed a letter wrong in his email address, and I couldn't touch where I wanted the cursor to go. Either I go to the beginning of the word or the end of the word and delete back to where I need to change the letter, and retype the rest. WASTE OF TIME. I couldn't connect to my GNex via bluetooth and send him pictures, which I can do on my wife's MACBOOK. I wanted to sync his chrome bookmarks to his iPad. Oh wait, I gotta pay for an app to do that!

I'm sure if I used it for another hour I could find a lot more things I CAN'T DO.

JB is only for .01% of Android users because IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET!

Anything else?

Cuz there's nothing that iOS devices have on Android anymore.
 
If most of you guys did just a LITTLE bit of research into the history of Samsung, you would probably side with Apple. Samsung has built its empire on not playing fair. Regardless, Apple is America's greatest corporation in history at the moment, I would think patriotism would outweigh which phone one chooses to purchase. :rolleyes:
 
Phone a has this phone b has something simliar phone c on the other hand has just brought in touch controll phone d has now decided that phone a had a better notification zone a slight fiddle here and there and phone d now has all the features of phone abc. Meh iphone cant do this iphone can do that android cant do this android can do this all i want is a phone that lets me make calls txt and get access to some content on the net while i am out and about searching or playing games is a bonus
 
Seriously, how can you claim that they have "copied the whole phone". How are we suppose to interpret that? If literally, then you are claiming that an Android phone is a direct clone of an iPhone, which clearly is false. If figuratively you must mean that "a lot of features were copied", then which features exactly, can you finally explain that or will you keep hiding behind the vaguest of possible arguments?


Only if you keep asking questions that until proven in court NO ONE CAN ANSWER. I gave my opinion based on what I have seen. I don't get to make the final judgement nor you or anyone else in these forums. No one here has proof of anything either way. If we did, google and apple will want to speak with you!

I even linked to the original concept of the android OS pre google and that wasn't enough to show you how that changed from being a RIM copy or future OS for RIM. someone else said it was also a WM-look a like version out there. Well after the iPhone 1, how did all that change? Google bought the software and made it look like iOS. Proof? Apple is suing over it. Outcome? To be determined by the courts. Don't like it. To bad! People need to stop asking questions they know can only be answered back with in these forums only with opinions. until there is final judgement here it's all guess work. I've stated as such. I've given you my opinion and stated fact when I knew such. If you don't like the suing thing or patent labor protecting blah blah blah. Well sorry,it's on like donkey kong baby. Sit back, eat popcorn and watch the show.

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Really I'm the one making the claims I court here. Don't tell anyone! :confused:

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So what was it?

As I thought it was originally going to be a blackberry replacement OS. But could be mistaken on that as I said. Or was it going to be WM replacement? IDK on the exactness of what was to come of the original system. But from either opinons brought forth so far. The original OS at least wasn't anything other then a clone type OS for some other phone. That is until iPhone. And of course google purchase.
 
One day, what comes around goes around. A modern smartphone involves over 200,000 patents, and you would be naive to believe Apple doesn't infringe any one of them.

Who do you suggest owns such patent? A big corporation or a small one.
I think Apple could buy their way out of any misstep.

Karma and Patents interesting thought.
 
Go Apple!! Finally, some justice is being served in this country!!

Good for Tim. It's not Thermonuclear. However it kicks Eric the Two Faced Slime Ball right where it counts.

Wake up people. Up to this point the strategy has been to get to Eric the Two Faced Slime Ball threw proxies. Moto, HTC, in phones. Samsung in Tablets mainly. All with the end game of trashing Google and Eric.

Obviously APPL is now confident to go straight to the source. None of this is about design (with the exception of Galaxy 10.1 v. 1).

You should have never screwed Steve, Eric. The door is almost shut.

To all you out there bashing APPL wake up. What do you think this is, 1970?
APPL is defending iOS and the Touch Interface. Spend some time and look at the numbers, APPL, Google, Oracle, MS, etc... spend on Industrial Intellectual Property Theft Prevention.

Google should have done what MS has done with the WIN Phone. A unique, innovative OS. Also the Surface Tab on WIN8.

It was easier to screw Steve however. F Google in every fibre of it's existence. Except for Chrome.

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Well after the iPhone 1, how did all that change? Google bought the software and made it look like iOS. Proof? Apple is suing over it. Outcome?

Proof? What proof, those patents are not for look or of wide things.

And no, Android framework didn't change, I'm astonished that people think that an entire operating system can be built in half a year, erally, do you know about programming?
 
State the blindingly obvious why don't you.

Frankly I don't give a **** about the patent system. If I want to buy something that looks a bit like something else then I'll buy. Consumers should decide not judges. Thankfully US courts don't apply in the UK so FU judge DingDongLetTheStupidMerrygoroundContinue. Nobody tells me what I can and can't buy.

So what your saying is that it is cool to rip off someone's idea and pass it off as your own and that this should be left for the consumers to decide?

I seriously doubt some if your UK companies feel differenty. For instance: Dyson owns hundreds to thousands of patents on his designs. If someone was allowed to rip those ideas off he would lose business and employees in the UK would lose their jobs.

How about some of the blantant ripping off of copyrighted work for some of your beloved UK bands? I bet they feel differently about that! ;-)

These systems are in place to protect people's "sweat equity" and investments. This is to keep the "cheater" out of the game. Shame on the cheaters.
 
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