Microsoft is requiring that secure boot can both be disabled and have additional signitures added by the user for x86 machines.
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Microsoft is requiring that secure boot can both be disabled and have additional signitures added by the user for x86 machines.
I've used most of samsungs "voice assistance" bloat ware and i have to tell you siri has nothing to fear
You must have never heard of Google Now. As of right now, I would say Siri may be better, but she certainly has something to fear.
It is this kind of bitterness and disdain, that if maintained, will spell the end of Apple.
Funny, not what every Linux distgro is seeing :
Why UEFI secure boot is difficult for Linux
As for disabling it, I'd sure love to share your enthusiasm, but somehow, I don't think Secureboot enabled machines will be so easy to subvert for users. I hate knowning I might be buying something I can't decide how to use myself. I don't "license" hardware, I buy it, it's mine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3Wait, this is a graphical device and it's 2 years before Apple's NewtonOS :
This one was released in 1993, same year as the NewtonOS. Notice it's a series 3 (released in 1991, this 3a version is 1993 like the Newton) (third generation) device :
While Apple did have a play in the history of PDAs (John Sculley did coin the term PDA), they far from "invented" it like you're claiming. People here really need to stop looking at the world constantly thinking everything comes from Apple. Apple rarely invents. Apple polishes and markets.
The icons were for show. They were not used in input whereas the Newton were actually clickable icons.
The same thing for the HP 95LX.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_95LX
It was a text based UI otherwise and driven by the keyboard.
Most of them haven't read the white paper on the windows 8 oem requirements.
MANDATORY. Enable/Disable Secure Boot. On non-ARM systems, it is required to implement
the ability to disable Secure Boot via firmware setup. A physically present user must be
allowed to disable Secure Boot via firmware setup without possession of PKpriv. A Windows
Server may also disable Secure Boot remotely using a strongly authenticated (preferably
public-key based) out-of-band management connection, such as to a baseboard
management controller or service processor.
The manufacturers don't have a choice. There must be a setting that toggles it off in the uefi(bios menu) That article you posted is from before the white paper was released clarifying the requirements.
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...indows8-hardware-cert-requirements-system.pdf
KnightWRX has a very narrow definition of invention. I'm pretty sure by his definition, no one invented the car because horse drawn carraiges and engines both already existed.
KnightWRX has a very narrow definition of invention. I'm pretty sure by his definition, no one invented the car because horse drawn carraiges and engines both already existed.
Well of course unless apple invented it. He would tell you they invented the notification pulldown too.
I agree that we can argue over whether its bad law or trivial. That's totally fair game, and we can all start from the point of it being "opinion" based. Just that when it starts to cross that line of it being true/fact/actual law, etc. I'm not in favor of it being an argument that's not going to get anywhere. We can, over time hope to see these laws that are completely ridiculous changed. But, during the here and now. If that is what it is. Then it is.
If some how some way, Apple wins this case. And not only totally gets to stop the Nexus or Tab. But lets say the Galaxy S III. There will be a lot of pissed off people that claim Apple is a big meanie. Well, they can have their opinion on that for sure. They can decided to never by another Apple product over it, etc. But, at the end of the day. If that is what the court says it is, it becomes so. An argument like "they totally didn't steal that idea!!" no longer holds weight. It's instantly an "opinion" and should be discussed as such. Not as if it were fact, cause it wouldn't be. Like being asked to "prove" where Android stole from Apple. You or I or anyone else can have an opinion on it. I can say "the whole look and feel of it". Others can disagree, but if a Judge came along and said "it does violate it" then it does. If they say it doesn't, then it doesn't. But, we meager forum dwellers, don't get to make the actual determination of if it did or not.
I agree that there are plenty of ridiculous laws out there, and I'm sure unimaginable amounts of bad patents that shouldn't have been given or, or someone should have looked at it better or something. But, this is our current system. Whether we like it or not.
KnightWRX was replying to this:
He was pointing out that there already were icon based PDAs. Nothing was said about touch
(I personally consider this current fetish with all-touch to be a mistake, as one-handed actions are so much easier with an additional input device such as a cursor / trackball. Especially scrolling through long documents.)
It's also something the esteemed Judge Posner commented about before he dismissed the Apple-Motorola lawsuits:
"You can't just assume that because someone has a patent, he has some deep moral right to exclude everyone else" (from using the technology). - Posner.
KnightWRX was replying to this:
He was pointing out that there already were icon based PDAs. Nothing was said about touch
(I personally consider this current fetish with all-touch to be a mistake, as one-handed actions are so much easier with an additional input device such as a cursor / trackball. Especially scrolling through long documents.)
I understand what he was replying to. I was just pointing out that KnightWRX has had the same narrow definition of inventing in a number of different arguments. You'll notice from your quote that Aristotle did not say that Apple invented the first PDA-like device.
His follow up clarified that he considered the Psion to fall under his category of text based devices in that the icons were non-functional. He said nothing of touch. Stylus/Mouse/Trackpad/etc. are part and parcel with what I would consider a true GUI. Adding ASCII art or non-functional graphics doesn't change the fact that the UI is based on the keyboard and text entry.
Uh ? I was saying the exact opposite, that Apple didn't invent the PDA.
I think you have me confused with some kind of "Apple does no wrong and does everything right" bot or something.Psion is credited with the invention modern PDA (the electronic agenda like device that holds contact information, notes, reminders and today does e-mail/web/messaging). I was setting the record straight. Of course, now he moved the goal posts on me, saying the Psion used a keyboard input so it is "text based".
I guess Mac OS X is also text based since I can control my Mac with my keyboard only, using hotkeys and keyboard shortcuts to perform menu functions and navigation. Heck, Windows has been able to function without a mouse forever and so do many Linux window managers (some are even made precisely with that goal in mind, ie, Ratpoison). But you know, it can't be a GUI without trackpads/touch/mice, no sireeeeeee, let's move them goalposts some more.
Microsoft though with the Surface doesn't have to adhere to there OEM requirements you know. And seriously, at this point, I have serious doubts about Microsoft playing "fair", thus I'd rather be vigilant.
Anyway, I refer you back to my initial article on the subject, dated 2nd of July 2012 (yesterday) that addresses why even with your white paper, there are serious issues with SecureBoot as proposed by Microsoft :
http://arstechnica.com/information-...raises-concerns-about-distro-implementations/
Please read all the articles when responding, don't cherry pick and ignore what you will. Microsoft is still Microsoft. They're just being more careful at not getting caught this time. They haven't changed at all, their goal is the same as it always has been, to lock you to their platform and make sure you cannot interoperate with the rest of the world, becoming reliant on their technologies so you have to use them as an upgrade path all the time.
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I personally consider the fetish with all-GUIs to be a mistake. In many instances, the command-line or text based UIs (or even GUIs with good keyboard control) can be much more easily automated to perform batch tasks that involve multiple steps and are quite faster when requiring both navigating and typing at regular intervals (like filing out forms). Being able to both navigate and type without your hands leaving the keyboard is crucial to speed of execution in this applications.
A good modern application should have a GUI to help lower the learning the curve with visual clues to how the application works, a good command line interface for advanced user that can just type or copy/paste a bunch of commands and a scripting interface to provide batch control.
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Yes, he did. The modern PDA like device was not invented by Apple, Apple just took inspiration from Psion and HP's devices.
Icons don't require touch/mouse/trackpad input to be functional. I had GUIs that were mouseless with activatable icons from keyboard shortcuts way before I even owned a mouse.
I find it is you who has a very narrow definition of an icon in this case. An icon is simply an action that is graphically presented to a user. How you activate it matters little, be it through keyboard "arrows and enter" or a mouse click or a trackpad tap or a touch on the screen.
Uh ? I was saying the exact opposite, that Apple didn't invent the PDA.
Psion is credited with the invention modern PDA (the electronic agenda like device that holds contact information, notes, reminders and today does e-mail/web/messaging). I was setting the record straight. Of course, now he moved the goal posts on me, saying the Psion used a keyboard input so it is "text based".
I guess Mac OS X is also text based since I can control my Mac with my keyboard only, using hotkeys and keyboard shortcuts to perform menu functions and navigation. Heck, Windows has been able to function without a mouse forever and so do many Linux window managers (some are even made precisely with that goal in mind, ie, Ratpoison). But you know, it can't be a GUI without trackpads/touch/mice, no sireeeeeee, let's move them goalposts some more.
Microsoft though with the Surface doesn't have to adhere to there OEM requirements you know. And seriously, at this point, I have serious doubts about Microsoft playing "fair", thus I'd rather be vigilant.
Anyway, I refer you back to my initial article on the subject, dated 2nd of July 2012 (yesterday) that addresses why even with your white paper, there are serious issues with SecureBoot as proposed by Microsoft :
http://arstechnica.com/information-...raises-concerns-about-distro-implementations/
Please read all the articles when responding, don't cherry pick and ignore what you will. Microsoft is still Microsoft. They're just being more careful at not getting caught this time. They haven't changed at all, their goal is the same as it always has been, to lock you to their platform and make sure you cannot interoperate with the rest of the world, becoming reliant on their technologies so you have to use them as an upgrade path all the time.
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I personally consider the fetish with all-GUIs to be a mistake. In many instances, the command-line or text based UIs (or even GUIs with good keyboard control) can be much more easily automated to perform batch tasks that involve multiple steps and are quite faster when requiring both navigating and typing at regular intervals (like filing out forms). Being able to both navigate and type without your hands leaving the keyboard is crucial to speed of execution in this applications.
A good modern application should have a GUI to help lower the learning the curve with visual clues to how the application works, a good command line interface for advanced user that can just type or copy/paste a bunch of commands and a scripting interface to provide batch control.
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Yes, he did. The modern PDA like device was not invented by Apple, Apple just took inspiration from Psion and HP's devices.
Icons don't require touch/mouse/trackpad input to be functional. I had GUIs that were mouseless with activatable icons from keyboard shortcuts way before I even owned a mouse.
I find it is you who has a very narrow definition of an icon in this case. An icon is simply an action that is graphically presented to a user. How you activate it matters little, be it through keyboard "arrows and enter" or a mouse click or a trackpad tap or a touch on the screen.
Yeah I did, there is a lot of them on here. Sometimes I think they must be on apples pay roll or something.
Then they just had to mess up their decent track record with the release of windows vista.
That thing was a travesty to all existing OS.
Vista was bad, but updates fixed that. Windows 7 is a great OS. So was 2k and xp.
If you really want a bad os, try Windows ME or Mac OS 9
Vista never got its primary issue fixed :
http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Vista-Capable-lawsuit-against-Microsoft-now-a-1265319.php
The whole problem with Vista (aside from the "very slow copy" bug on launch) was the whole Vista Capable debacle, where some computers were sold as Vista "Capable", but couldn't run Vista Ultimate with Aero on them due to the poor Intel GPU they had. Microsoft screwed up bad there and it was a marketing fiasco for them after having pushed Aero as the "coolest thing since sliced bread".
Windows ME and OS 9 both suffered the same symptom : sticking around. Both weren't bad OSes... if they had been released 3 years earlier, in the 90s rather than in 2000. The problem was the market was switching to true multi-user systems and thinking security, hardening, memory protection and robust userspace/kernel space seperation. Modern OSes built on the model of the then enterprise Unix/VMS systems.
Windows 2000 was supposed to be the consumer shift to the NT kernel for Microsoft users. The problem is app developers had not been making their software for a platform with filesystem based ACLs, unpriviledged users, restricted kernel services, etc... Some still required direct hardware access, some still placed files in system locations, some didn't know about user home directories or user registries. Thus a lot of software was plain broken if you weren't running as administrator and some was just broken period.
OS 9 was worse off, it lacked proper multi-tasking. Apple was so deeply late they had to buy off an OS to modernize. We all know how that ended (still curious what would've been Apple today had they opted for Be Inc instead of NeXT. BeOS was pure genious for multi-media creation work, and its threading model was superior to a lot of OSes made today, close to 12 years later).
LOL, no it didn't get fixed. It was never fixed. M$ basically ditched the entire vista crap to launch and focus on Windows 7.
Ah, thanks for correcting me, I always thought Vistas biggest problem was the whole " resource raping " thing, which I was under the impression was fixed at some point, though I Have to admit. I only ever encounter Vista on very high end machines at work, never at home.
Alright, I can't say I know enough about software engineering to say your wrong, but it sounds like your right.
I will Maintain, ME was far more unstable than 98, and OS9 was far more unstable than OS 8, at least whenever I encounter in them in the wild.
Siri has plenty to worry about. Not only is it faster, but the voice technology behind Google Now sounds so much more natural in comparison.
Vista with the latest service packs is about 99% as quick and solid as Windows 7. And Windows 7? It's Vista, with a few tweaks.
I think the whole Vista debacle shows just how important first impressions are. No matter how good you make it later, everyone will still think it sucks based on their initial experiences with it.
KnightWRX has a very narrow definition of invention. I'm pretty sure by his definition, no one invented the car because horse drawn carraiges and engines both already existed.
Can you get a patent on the internal combustion engine just because you were the first to put it in a metal frame with wheels?
I love my Mac. But the everything else at Apple has been soured from this. I may go to a windows box for my next computer.
I am an android fan. But I do like iDevices sometimes. Not so much anymore. And I'm trying to convince my family to switch from iOS to Android.
I am an android fan. But I do like iDevices sometimes. Not so much anymore. And I'm trying to convince my family to switch from iOS to Android.