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Apple Wins Injunction Blocking Sale of Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia

eMace said:
Did apple even invent the multitouch, swiping thing? I thought that's been out for a while.
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Single point of entry touchscreen feedback has been around for a while, in your GPS and some even older PCs. Even Windows tablets had it via a stylus.

Systems with multiple points of inputs also existed since the 80s, for example, your PC can take input from your mouse and yoru keyboard at the same time...

Apple combined those two technologies together to create multi-touch, so yes, you can say they invented it.
 
Tiger8 said:
Single point of entry touchscreen feedback has been around for a while, in your GPS and some even older PCs. Even Windows tablets had it via a stylus.

Systems with multiple points of inputs also existed since the 80s, for example, your PC can take input from your mouse and yoru keyboard at the same time...

Apple combined those two technologies together to create multi-touch, so yes, you can say they invented it.
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In what way? Are you saying they invented the two-finger swipe doing something different than the one-finger swipe? Wasn't that around on Windows laptop touchpads for a while now?
 
KnightWRX said:
Nope, they didn't. But that's ok, since they don't have such broad/general patents on these concepts. They have a few precise patents on precise gestures used in precise contexts. This is what won them a single claim in the Dutch court, something Samsung has now fixed.
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This sets a very bad precedent. Now instead of just outselling your competition, you can just outsue them. Great.
 
Tiger8 said:
Single point of entry touchscreen feedback has been around for a while, in your GPS and some even older PCs. Even Windows tablets had it via a stylus.

Systems with multiple points of inputs also existed since the 80s, for example, your PC can take input from your mouse and yoru keyboard at the same time...

Apple combined those two technologies together to create multi-touch, so yes, you can say they invented it.
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umm multi touch touch screens have been around since the 80's early 90's. We have a few forum members who were coding for them way back win.

The issue for it coming to phones was cost and it was not until around 2007 that the cost, size and reliability had gotten to the the point they could be put in phones.
 
voonyx said:
you have no clue what you're talking about. Samsung is a mom and pop organization with limited funds who were simply overpowered and destroyed by the bully Apple. They stood no chance. I believe they had one lawyer on their team, who was working pro bono since Samsung was ruled an indigent corporation. Apple is the worst of the worst when it comes to corporate bullying. Taking on such a lowly corporation like Samsung.
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What are you smoking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung
 
war eagle said:
And because someone chooses one product over another, that makes them a nerd? Wow, times are changing.
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I'm a big nerd. I've been told I by other nerds that I'm a nerd and thats how nerdy I am.

Even I think andriods are designed for nerds.
 
Tiger8 said:
Single point of entry touchscreen feedback has been around for a while, in your GPS and some even older PCs. Even Windows tablets had it via a stylus.

Systems with multiple points of inputs also existed since the 80s, for example, your PC can take input from your mouse and yoru keyboard at the same time...

Apple combined those two technologies together to create multi-touch, so yes, you can say they invented it.
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What?

First, multitouch is not combining input and, second, Apple didn't invent multitouch

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Consultant said:
It is a Samsung store, publicized by Samsung staff

scroll down on this for the press release:
http://obamapacman.com/2011/09/anal...s-store-copied-safari-iphone-app-store-icons/
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No, is a Samsung store inside a Euronics store and was Euronics which had the icons BEFORE Samsung put their store.

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voonyx said:
prima facie means the defendant would have to provide strong proof that what they're saying is true because based on preliminary "at face" evidence, the other side has pretty much proven their case. Samsung needs to regroup and come up with something new other then Kubrik's movies is what this ruling says.
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Apart that the Kubrick thing was one in a lot of claims, prima facie doesn't means this, but we will see.
 
Oletros said:
Apart that the Kubrick thing was one in a lot of claims, prima facie doesn't means this, but we will see.
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lol, so what does prima facie mean to you? it means exactly what its translated as: "first face", "first sight"...they're not talking about looking at the Galaxy Tab, and looking at the iPad...they're talking about the evidence presented on both sides.

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1598

Like I said...there is enough evidence to prove Apple's case, unless Samsung switches up their whole defense and introduces something contradictory. Maybe you'll argue that they're holding their smoking gun until trial? :rolleyes:

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devinci99 said:
What are you smoking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung
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lol how can anyone possibly think i was being serious. What are you smoking?
 
voonyx said:
Like I said...there is enough evidence to prove Apple's case, unless Samsung switches up their whole defense and introduces something contradictory. Maybe you'll argue that they're holding their smoking gun until trial? :rolleyes:
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Apple may have a case in the judge's eyes, prima facie, but if it's for something as simple as a multitouch swipe motion, that's just ridiculous.

How would you like it if they took away our Siri because some voice recognition company tries to sue apple? I'm sure there are a lot of programs out there that are pretty darn similar to Siri.
 
eMace said:
Apple may have a case in the judge's eyes, prima facie, but if it's for something as simple as a multitouch swipe motion, that's just ridiculous.

How would you like it if they took away our Siri because some voice recognition company tries to sue apple? I'm sure there are a lot of programs out there that are pretty darn similar to Siri.
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That's irrelevant. Ridiculous or not its up to the judge to decide not the people on these forums who think things are fair or unfair. That's my point. Do I think this is something great that Apple's doing? Naw, but they have a right to do it because they were granted the patent. The courts will examine all the evidence, and without bias make a ruling based on the evidence only. I'm not going to sit here and get pissed at Apple because they're doing what every other company would also do if they had this patent.

Don't get mad at Apple for defending their patent. They have every right to. If some voice recognition company has a patent that Apple violated with Siri, or didn't license, then they have a right to sue Apple too.
 
LOL it's funny how everyone turns on Apple because they won an injunction on the Galaxy Tab.

Everyone in Australia was really clamoring for the Galaxy Tab. Now their lives are ruined....
 
I don't think a simple lawsuit is the point here. Almost every company on the face of the earth, up to and including Apple, is using someone else's IP. They usually go to court over it, and eventually come to a licensing agreement. Life goes on.

The thing with Apple, though, is that they refuse to to license out ANYTHING unless they absolutely have to. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep another company's products from the shelves. Now if it were widespread copying, that'd be understandable. But they're blocking the Galaxy over little penny ante BS that's almost amazes me that they somehow managed to land a pantent over. I mean left and right finger gestures to flip through pages and photos? Like we haven't been doing something similar since people started binding books together over 800 years ago. It's so ingrained by this point, you could almost consider it a natural ergonomic standard.

Then what happens next? Google finally gets off their asses and implements smooth scrolling? Does that mean Apple can sue over framerate now? I mean the iPhones had smooth scrolling first, so it only makes sense, right? It's almost like people believe they should have exclusive rights to everything that appears in one of their iDevices, on dent that it appeared in an iDevice. It'd be understandable if Apple did, in fact, invent every feature of the iPhone. But...nope...they didn't. Just like any other company, they invent some, they polish some, they copy some. Case in point, the new notification system in iOS 5. It's pretty much lifted wholesale from Android.

...so would you all jump to Google's side if they were to suddenly sue Apple over it? Of course not. Know why? Cuz you like Apple products. And that's all this really comes down to. It isn't so much that one company is ripping off another. It's that one company is ripping off the company you like. TIME TO GET RIGHTEOUSLY INDIGNANT!

In the end, I hate these stupid damn lawsuits, and think they're a complete waste of everyone's time. At most, they're only good for bragging rights among the hardcore tech enthusiast crowd. Oh, my chosen corporation's e-peen is bigger than your chosen corporation. Blah blah blah. I say everyone should copy the everliving crap out of each other. Know why? Because one company copying another means the other company will have to improve their product to compete, and in turn the first company will have to trailblaze themselves to stay ahead. When companies compete, we..as in you and I...end up with much better devices than we'd otherwise have.

If things went your way, then we all wouldn't have this shiny new, vastly improved notification system on the iPhone. So screw you, guy. Argue all you want. I like having my cool stuff made cooler.


newyorksole said:
Everyone in Australia was really clamoring for the Galaxy Tab. Now their lives are ruined....
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At least they still have wombats.
 
Renzatic said:
I don't think a simple lawsuit is the point here. Almost every company on the face of the earth, up to and including Apple, is using someone else's IP. They usually go to court over it, and eventually come to a licensing agreement. Life goes on.

The thing with Apple, though, is that they refuse to to license out ANYTHING unless they absolutely have to. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep another company's products from the shelves. Now if it were widespread copying, that'd be understandable. But they're blocking the Galaxy over little penny ante BS that's almost amazes me that they somehow managed to land a pantent over. I mean left and right finger gestures to flip through pages and photos? Like we haven't been doing something similar since people started binding books together over 800 years ago. It's so ingrained by this point, you could almost consider it a natural ergonomic standard.

Then what happens next? Google finally gets off their asses and implements smooth scrolling? Does that mean Apple can sue over framerate now? I mean the iPhones had smooth scrolling first, so it only makes sense, right? It's almost like people believe they should have exclusive rights to everything that appears in one of their iDevices, on dent that it appeared in an iDevice. It'd be understandable if Apple did, in fact, invent every feature of the iPhone. But...nope...they didn't. Just like any other company, they invent some, they polish some, they copy some. Case in point, the new notification system in iOS 5. It's pretty much lifted wholesale from Android.

...so would you all jump to Google's side if they were to suddenly sue Apple over it? Of course not. Know why? Cuz you like Apple products. And that's all this really comes down to. It isn't so much that one company is ripping off another. It's that one company is ripping off the company you like. TIME TO GET RIGHTEOUSLY INDIGNANT!

In the end, I hate these stupid damn lawsuits, and think they're a complete waste of everyone's time. At most, they're only good for bragging rights among the hardcore tech enthusiast crowd. Oh, my chosen corporation's e-peen is bigger than your chosen corporation. Blah blah blah. I say everyone should copy the everliving crap out of each other. Know why? Because one company copying another means the other company will have to improve their product to compete, and in turn the first company will have to trailblaze themselves to stay ahead. When companies compete, we..as in you and I...end up with much better devices than we'd otherwise have.

If things went your way, then we all wouldn't have this shiny new, vastly improved notification system on the iPhone. So screw you, guy. Argue all you want. I like having my cool stuff made cooler.
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If Apple violated a Google patent, I'd side with Google. Why wouldn't I? Google was granted the patent and they have a right to defend it, and they would defend it (contrary to what some people might think, Google is not going to say "peace and harmony and love for all!" and let people use their patents without some sort of licensing in place).

Apple is doing what every company in the same situation would do. The reason you hear about these so much, is because Apple's patents are the ones always being violated. It doesn't matter if you invented something or not, if you have a patent for it, its yours to defend. The courts will decide whether the case has merit, or if your patent is invalid. To just sit back and do nothing is stupidity.
 
chagla said:
while fan-boys/girls will enjoy having arguments which product is superior, ordinary people w/out JOBS will appreciate this:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ansion-for-advanced-logic-chips-95960189.html

it's kind of ironic while Apple is sitting on billions of $$$ yet a foreign company (SAMSUNG) invests in Apple's home country. :confused:
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Where's the irony? Apple invests in the US as well. $1 billion data center in NC for starters. The iPod alone was estimated to create 14,000 jobs in the US in 2008.

http://pcic.merage.uci.edu/papers/2008/InnovationAndJobCreation.pdf
 
Renzatic said:
The thing with Apple, though, is that they refuse to to license out ANYTHING unless they absolutely have to. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep another company's products from the shelves.
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actually I'm very curious about this one. Does Apple want to come to a license agreement and get compensated for their IP or are they using their IP for only one reason....kill competition at all cost.
 
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cdbob said:
It's stuff like this that has stopped me from buying Apple products.

When I bought my Powerbook G3 Apple used to be a good professional brand.

Now they're just a company that sells overpriced consumer stuff to fanboys and people who spend too much money on computers.

I wish the old apple would come back.
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Mate, you just don't get it do you, there are not 128 million fanboys out there buying iPhones, normal consumers are buying iPhone because they give a better user experience then the competition. If the competition was better and actually provide genuine innovation than Apple would have a harder time of it.

The while lawsuit stuff stinks but in the end Apple are protecting what they feel are innovations they deserve to make money off not their competitors because THEY thought of it and went to the trouble of patented it.

You are the true fanboy because you feel threatened that the exclusive nature of using a mac is gone because they are finally making products that mainstream consumers enjoy using.


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voonyx said:
If Apple violated a Google patent, I'd side with Google. Why wouldn't I? Google was granted the patent and they have a right to defend it, and they would defend it (contrary to what some people might think, Google is not going to say "peace and harmony and love for all!" and let people use their patents without some sort of licensing in place).

Apple is doing what every company in the same situation would do. The reason you hear about these so much, is because Apple's patents are the ones always being violated. It doesn't matter if you invented something or not, if you have a patent for it, its yours to defend. The courts will decide whether the case has merit, or if your patent is invalid. To just sit back and do nothing is stupidity.
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I'm not arguing over Apple having the right or not. They do. Just like any other company with an IP being violated.

What I am arguing against is how Apple generally tends to use them, the Apple community reaction, and, really, the current state of the patent system.

And no. Apple patents aren't the only ones always being violated. They're just the ones that get the most attention. Usually, they're little scraps of not-news. Like Apple violated some guy's patent for something stupid like displaying pixels on a screen, which they quietly settle, and pay a license for. That's usually how the patent system works.

Dumb? Yeah. Most of these patents are so vague, it's a small wonder that they even got it patented in the first place. But that's the way it goes. It happens so often, you barely hear about it until some company makes a huge deal over it. Like what Apple is currently doing to Samsung. Blocking them from selling their hardware everywhere they can, because of the way you move your fingers on its screen.
 
Tiger8 said:
Single point of entry touchscreen feedback has been around for a while, in your GPS and some even older PCs. Even Windows tablets had it via a stylus.

Systems with multiple points of inputs also existed since the 80s, for example, your PC can take input from your mouse and yoru keyboard at the same time...

Apple combined those two technologies together to create multi-touch, so yes, you can say they invented it.
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Wow, that's a total work of fiction. Try at least even reading the Wikipedia article. Multi-touch input has existed for decades, and we all even called it "multi-touch" back then - this included some systems that weren't even touchscreen based. Most of the multi-touch gestures you use today were also developed by those folks, not Apple.

Apple probably owns some multi-point touchscreen related IP from their purchase of Fingerworks, but Apple absolutely did not "invent" multi-touch.
 
Piggie said:
Simple Question:

Are Apple going to attempt to block Microsoft from Selling Windows 8 tablets next year?

Seeing as how they will be thin rectangular devices, rounded corners, thin, with a sheet of touch sensitive glass over the front. The same as Apple's iPad.
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That's actually a simplistic question. Sound bites from news stories do not reflect reality. These are complex litigation issues being handled by highly-paid, well-trained lawyers ON BOTH SIDES. Acting like Apple somehow bamboozled a judge into deciding in its favor by holding up two pictures reflects a poor understanding of how these matters are handled.

I'm not suggesting every judge is perfect or that every decision they make is perfect, but these are "fair fights" where the plaintiff lays out in detail what it believes to be improper infringement and the defendant then reviews and responds to them in detail.
 
Celf said:
actually I'm very curious about this one. Does Apple want to come to a license agreement and get compensated for their IP or are they using their IP for only one reason....kill competition at all cost.
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I can't say for a fact that's what Apple is doing. I only keep up with these patent lawsuits arguments when they come up, and can't really claim to be anywhere near an expert on the subject.

Sometimes it seems that's exactly what Apple is doing. Sometimes...not really. I dunno. The only thing I can say for a fact about the whole mess is that Apple has a tendency to be really, incredibly jealous with their IPs, and love to scream about how they're being ripped off.
 
These GUI patents need to ALL be tossed out the door and moved into the realm of Copyright and Trademarks - and I've worked in the field for decades. Folks who patent stuff like "swipe touchscreen to answer/unlock the phone" as an "invention" when people have been swiping touchscreens to execute an action for decades need the tar beaten out of them.
 
Renzatic said:
I can't say for a fact that's what Apple is doing. I only keep up with these patent lawsuits arguments when they come up, and can't really claim to be anywhere near an expert on the subject.

Sometimes it seems that's exactly what Apple is doing. Sometimes...not really. I dunno. The only thing I can say for a fact about the whole mess is that Apple has a tendency to be really, incredibly jealous with their IPs, and love to scream about how they're being ripped off.
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Unfortunately that's what the law requires. To gain protection over your IP you have to be vigilant and take prompt action or risk having the infringing party/parties use your inaction as a defense. So it's not so much that Apple is acting impulsively, they're merely complying with what the law expects from them. And, frankly, they're doing Samsung a favor because they're getting a legal ruling before Samsung's liability becomes potentially much larger (that's the basis of the argument for an injunction, that if it's not granted the damages will become too great). It does also serve as a deterrent to other potential infringers.

It's very easy to armchair quarterback these issues from a distance but it's far more complicated under the surface than a 2-paragraph summary in the news is able to explain.
 
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