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It is a Samsung store, publicized by Samsung staff

scroll down on this for the press release:
http://obamapacman.com/2011/09/anal...s-store-copied-safari-iphone-app-store-icons/




He's being sarcastic but probably didn't add smiley because it's obviously false.
That's not a Samsung store. That's a 3rd party retailer in Italy selling phones.

About the A4/A5, Apple obviously didn't design the ARM Cortex CPUs used in their SOC design. Apple designs the SOC, but not the CPU and GPU.
 
About the A4/A5, Apple obviously didn't design the ARM Cortex CPUs used in their SOC design. Apple designs the SOC, but not the CPU and GPU.

And that´s why is stupid saying that Samsung is not innovative because makes the SOC designed by Apple and Apple is innovative because they have designed the SoC using a CPU and GPU from 3rd party.

And without forgetting that Samsng has a long history of developing SoC's
 
you have no clue what you're talking about. Samsung is a mom and pop organization with limited funds who were simply overpowered and destroyed by the bully Apple. They stood no chance. I believe they had one lawyer on their team, who was working pro bono since Samsung was ruled an indigent corporation. Apple is the worst of the worst when it comes to corporate bullying. Taking on such a lowly corporation like Samsung.

If this is sarcasm, then you should make it more clear. If you actually believe this, then each of their 220,000 employees would gladly slap you for being stupid.


As I noted above: Google and Samsung got themselves into legal trouble because they cut corners rushing products to market. Microsoft has been playing the software game far too long to make the same mistake.

Not because they cut corners, but because they made them round :D
 
Unfortunately that's what the law requires. To gain protection over your IP you have to be vigilant and take prompt action or risk having the infringing party/parties use your inaction as a defense. So it's not so much that Apple is acting impulsively, they're merely complying with what the law expects from them. And, frankly, they're doing Samsung a favor because they're getting a legal ruling before Samsung's liability becomes potentially much larger (that's the basis of the argument for an injunction, that if it's not granted the damages will become too great). It does also serve as a deterrent to other potential infringers.

It's very easy to armchair quarterback these issues from a distance but it's far more complicated under the surface than a 2-paragraph summary in the news is able to explain.

Well said and something else to consider.

Should Apple lose these cases against Samsung they would be liable for the market loss from Samsung, which many investment circles were/are quite worried over as it could be very, very costly for Apple.

So, I think what these case rulings are starting to show is that Apple wasn't just making wild allegations of patent infringement, nor overly broad allegations. They went for something very targeted and something they ultimately felt they could win.

Steve Jobs said many times that he regretted the early days of Apple not defending the company's IP very rigorously and that they would not repeat those mistakes again.
 
Unfortunately that's what the law requires. To gain protection over your IP you have to be vigilant and take prompt action or risk having the infringing party/parties use your inaction as a defense.

That doesn't apply to patents, where waiting sometimes makes more sense because it can lead to bigger settlements.

It does apply to trademarks once granted.

Ironically, going too fast backfired on Apple when they were trying to get the trademark on "Multi-Touch". By applying so quickly after the iPhone came out, they could not possibly prove that it had been in use long enough that the average person associated it with only the iPhone.

In fact, the trademark examiner commented in the final rejection that if Apple had simply waited a mandated five years since their first usage to apply for the trademark, it would probably have been automatically granted. Apple was too impatient in its attempt to grab the name before it had established a secondary meaning.
 
Do you even realize that Samsung is one of Apple's biggest supplier, suppliying many of their essential parts?

I didn't question their dominance in the supplying parts in the industry; I questioned their claim at being "innovative." Big difference. Did you know that Microsoft is the largest software supplier in the world? Does that mean they are innovative?
 
It is being manufactured by Samsung, but it was developed by Apple. Enjoy.

Innovation? Doesn't sound like Samsung for me...

Who did Samsung copy when they were making some of the most advanced televisions in the world? You guys sound stupid saying Samsung got to where they are all by copying.

Steve Jobs said many times that he regretted the early days of Apple not defending the company's IP very rigorously and that they would not repeat those mistakes again.

And that's exactly what is worrying. Now you're going to have every company trying to patent every little thing they can, and suing anyone who even dares to make anything remotely similar. In the end, we lose.
 
I didn't question their dominance in the supplying parts in the industry; I questioned their claim at being "innovative." Big difference. Did you know that Microsoft is the largest software supplier in the world? Does that mean they are innovative?

tell you the truth they are. In many ways much more so that Apple. Just most of it is not in areas that consumers see or care about.
Apple is inovative really in a very limited area. Just most of it is in the consumer market line of site so it is seen by the masses.
 
damn, well i guess they did copy, but it seems rather harsh. I thought they would just belay it till next year which would be just as bad for their sales.

This is good too though, people slave away for new ideas and things just to have others copy and potentially steal their hard work.

Just seems harsh to me.
 
i find it amusing every time somebody uses that picture of a samsung display with apple logos on it. this display was obviously not made by the ceo of samsung and. some 16 year old probably got fired because he googled app icons and used the first 10 images to build the display.
 
And that's exactly what is worrying. Now you're going to have every company trying to patent every little thing they can, and suing anyone who even dares to make anything remotely similar. In the end, we lose.

Welcome to the party. This has been the case for a number of years. Listen to the talk on Wall Street. The patent wars have been escalating more and more each year. This is not unique to Apple at all. Every tech company is involved.

We'll see where things go.
 
I didn't question their dominance in the supplying parts in the industry; I questioned their claim at being "innovative." Big difference. Did you know that Microsoft is the largest software supplier in the world? Does that mean they are innovative?

Of course samsung is innovative. Samsung actually patents real inventions. Like 3G and 4G technology. Apple patents rounded rectangles and finger gestures.
 
i find it amusing every time somebody uses that picture of a samsung display with apple logos on it. this display was obviously not made by the ceo of samsung and. some 16 year old probably got fired because he googled app icons and used the first 10 images to build the display.

while i agree, it was apparently - as i first expected - not even part of the samsung store (in store), but rather a backdrop (likely to a mobile area), but up by the retail house itself (euronics).

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Welcome to the party. This has been the case for a number of years. Listen to the talk on Wall Street. The patent wars have been escalating more and more each year. This is not unique to Apple at all. Every tech company is involved.

We'll see where things go.

Except that Apple seems more interested in blocking competition, than upholding fair competition (unlike, e.g., MSFT).
 
divinox said:
Except that Apple seems more interested in blocking competition, than upholding fair competition (unlike, e.g., MSFT).

Blah blah blah, why are ppl still discussing this? The courts ruled. You can't steal a patent. Simple as that. Its hilarious that now all the armchair patent lawyers are still trying to come to grips with this.

Don't blame apple, blame the system. Anyone who thinks any other company wouldn't do what apple did is in severe denial
 
lol, so what does prima facie mean to you? it means exactly what its translated as: "first face", "first sight"...they're not talking about looking at the Galaxy Tab, and looking at the iPad...they're talking about the evidence presented on both sides.

In Spanish law prima facie doesn't means that the evidence is conclusive, it means that it supports the case.

What it means in Australian low?
 
They still weren't made by Samsung. Nephew? Big deal. I don't even talk to a couple of my aunts. What I do as their nephew has no bearing on them.

Being in a 'corporate' family in Korea are a big deal... It's part of the Asian culture, which is why I made the point.

But I agree with you; no one here cares about what you do as your aunt's nephew.
 
Another Judge issues another ruling against Samsung, and the Samsung apologisti are out in force again.

Does it ever occur to you guys that maybe an Australian Judge knows a little bit more about Australian patent law than you do? Guess not. Of course, the Australian Judge has probably actually read the asserted Patents, as well as Apple claims of how Samsung infringed.

Samsung will probably never come close to creating the sort of innovation Apple does. Read this Fortune magazine article to understand why.

American Michael Kim can attest to that. He says he was recruited to work at Samsung and did so in 2008 and 2009, serving as a senior manager in the semiconductor business.

"People at the top of Samsung want the company to become more innovative and not be perceived as the imitator that it has been perceived as for so long" but a rigid corporate culture works against that, he said.

"They would tell us that they want us to be change agents and that they want us to try to fix whatever we see that needs fixing," said Kim. "You're appreciated until you actually try to start changing things."

Emphasis mine.
 
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