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Given that Office exists for the Mac and did for years before iWork was released, you'd likely lose that bet

Over a billion Office users? What would you like to wager?

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I don't think you actually grasped either of my posts. I disagree completely about Joe. Joe knows what he DOES, not what OS his computer runs, or anything about the OS other than the name. Presumably, the MS tablets will have Office on them, that is what users USE. That is what they will care about. If MS put out Office for iOS, it would severely change the MS tablet potential.

Ah, I got you. Only people that use Apple care about what OS they use. They do things that are different than Windows users so they need iOS or OSX to do it since Windows doesn't do anything except run Office.
 
USPTO is at fault here.....

If your design patent or utility patent doesnt get approved in the first place by the USTPO then impossible for you to sue anyone for patent infringement.
Their is too much abuse going on with the whole patent issues.
Congress needs to get off their fat *** and overhaul the USTPO.
First patent trolls should not be allowed, if you dont use a patent in a actual entity for the first 2 years after issue then you loose that patent. Their are 2 types of patent applications; small entity and large corporations. The amount you pay for USTPO to approve your patent should be based upon part of how many times you have or have been issued injunctions for patent infringement. Small entities should have to pay way less for a patent. Let these pocket rich companys pay out the nose for their abuse of the patent office and the courts.
 
Indeed there must be millions of way to design a tablet :rolleyes:.

Would like to point out that in earlier court sessions, Samsung's own lawyer was unable to distinguish the products apart. Same everything down to the connector, box, and TV commercials.
 
Not trying to defend Samsung, however, I think those HP Envy laptops are more of direct copies from macbook pro line compared to how much Galaxy copied from iPad. Why HP was not the one who got curbed????
 
Would like to point out that in earlier court sessions, Samsung's own lawyer was unable to distinguish the products apart. Same everything down to the connector, box, and TV commercials.
Just to clarify, both tablets were held at a 10 ft distance and they were switched off. So the lawyer could have picked up two black rectangles and achieve the same effect. The tablets actually have different proportions and the Samsung tablet has a set of buttons, so you can distinguish them at a closer distance.
 
Would like to point out that in earlier court sessions, Samsung's own lawyer was unable to distinguish the products apart. Same everything down to the connector, box, and TV commercials.

Would like to point out that it's obvious you are skimming the thread and posting "proof" points that were not only already brought up but dismissed.
 
Ah, I got you. Only people that use Apple care about what OS they use. They do things that are different than Windows users so they need iOS or OSX to do it since Windows doesn't do anything except run Office.

I don't get it. Are you physically unable to have an adult conversation on its own merits? Or is it emotional, spiritual, mental? Aidenshaw isn't behind you with a gun, is he?
 
If other companies feel Apple have stole from them, they can sue Apple. Let's see how successful those claims are.

They won't because they aren't butthurt little school girls.

Also, you'd think Apple would have more respect towards Samsung, since Samsung supplies huge quantities of hardware to Apple.
 
Would like to point out that in earlier court sessions, Samsung's own lawyer was unable to distinguish the products apart.

It's a moot point.

Her fellow lawyers could tell the difference. Perhaps she didn't have on her long distance glasses. Perhaps she isn't personally good at shapes. Who knows.

More importantly, her individual failure didn't matter to the judge. Even after that, the judge ruled that that she thought the design patent was likely to be invalidated because of prior art.

While we're at it, Apple has never complained about Samsung's connector or power plug.
 
Yeah, that 3 or so year lawsuit they had going on over look and feel didn't really happen. And they didn't lose because they weren't the originators of the GUI, either.

Well, you're party right. They *didn't* lose because they weren't the originators of the GUI. They lost because a poorly worded contract with Microsoft to develop Word/Excel/etc. for the Mac gave more rights to the the look/feel than had been intended.

That's not an argument against anything but having broadly- or poorly-defined contract terms.
 
Which is why Apple is suing every tablet and Android phone over this particular issue...oh...wait...it's just Samsung? Nobody else?

Well, if Apple is just being a jerk and this works so well, why do you think they're limiting themselves to just one company? Surely you have an answer to that question, right?

By targeting the largest first, the simultaneously slow the competitor's growth and set a court president that can be hailed before others.
 
Just when we thought the lawsuits were all over, this happens.

Someone (a consumer) seriously needs to forcefully sit the two CEO's down and slap them.
 
They won't because they aren't butthurt little school girls.

Also, you'd think Apple would have more respect towards Samsung, since Samsung supplies huge quantities of hardware to Apple.

Samsung offers competitive pricing as a supplier, but there are many other companies willing to supply
 
My God, another time the wrong fact about the Blackberry prototype?

One: There weere TWO prototypes, one touch only and the other like WM ((not Blackberry)

Two: Android is SOFTWARE, not HARDWARE. Can you pint what Android, the operating system has stolen from iOS?

Three: Are you accsuing Erich Schmidt of stealing?

I understand there were 2 prototypes but at the time it seems like emphasis was put on the one I linked.
Second, software has to work in unison with hardware. Good software is useless without good hardware.
Thirdly I'm not saying Eric Schmidt stole anything from Apple but he was privy to some fairly private info that he brought back to Google. I'm sure he was under NDA at the time as well.

With all of that being said Android seems to have finally come into it's own after years of being on the market as a beta product.

However without the iPhone and iOS, we probably wouldn't have the all touch screen devices we have now. Multitouch wouldn't be as prominent as it is now as a result either. Everyone can speculate that time would have run it's course, and that technology would have naturally evolved into what it is regardless, but I really doubt it.
 
I understand there were 2 prototypes but at the time it seems like emphasis was put on the one I linked.
Second, software has to work in unison with hardware. Good software is useless without good hardware.
Thirdly I'm not saying Eric Schmidt stole anything from Apple but he was privy to some fairly private info that he brought back to Google. I'm sure he was under NDA at the time as well.

With all of that being said Android seems to have finally come into it's own after years of being on the market as a beta product.

However without the iPhone and iOS, we probably wouldn't have the all touch screen devices we have now. Multitouch wouldn't be as prominent as it is now as a result either. Everyone can speculate that time would have run it's course, and that technology would have naturally evolved into what it is regardless, but I really doubt it.

Emphasis by whom? The manufacturers or tech blogs/fans like yourself?

You're not saying Eric Schmidt stole anything - but you are certainly insinuating that he did.

With all that being said - iOS (which I have used since the beginning) came into its own as well - and now many aspects are outdated. Highly functional and great usability - but outdated.

We will never know what would or would not have happened without the iPhone or iPad. It's conjecture. As you said - speculation. Doubt all you want.
 
Once the Surface comes to market, Apple will really have something to worry about. They'll have real competition and nothing to sue over. Now that will be comical.

Speaking of comical, apparently you missed this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iliImcsOXi0

Admittedly, I first thought the same thing. But after seeing other articles, this video, and remembering who we are talking about, I realized that Apple really has nothing to worry about. By the time Microsoft gets the Surface to market in beta form, has time to collect all of the crash data and patch the OS, it will be so bloated and unusable that people will inevitably dump it and go to an iPad. If Microsoft gets it together enough to release a competitive product, wonderful. I just don't see it happening with the Surface.
 
I understand there were 2 prototypes but at the time it seems like emphasis was put on the one I linked.
Second, software has to work in unison with hardware. Good software is useless without good hardware.
Thirdly I'm not saying Eric Schmidt stole anything from Apple but he was privy to some fairly private info that he brought back to Google. I'm sure he was under NDA at the time as well.

With all of that being said Android seems to have finally come into it's own after years of being on the market as a beta product.

However without the iPhone and iOS, we probably wouldn't have the all touch screen devices we have now. Multitouch wouldn't be as prominent as it is now as a result either. Everyone can speculate that time would have run it's course, and that technology would have naturally evolved into what it is regardless, but I really doubt it.

And we arrive at the same place we arrive always, no concrete stolen thing, only vague accusations without any base
 
Second, software has to work in unison with hardware. Good software is useless without good hardware.

Really ? Sure the second statement is true, but the first ? You see, software being useless without hardware does not imply that software has to work in unison with hardware.

Software has been design as hardware agnostic for years. Linux, runs on things like TVs, networking equipment, watches, PCs, set top boxes for media viewing, etc.. etc.. It's a piece of software that's pretty much hardware agnostic. It does not work in unison with hardware, it exposes a driver architecture that permits hardware makers to write a compatibility layer for their devices.

Android uses Linux as a kernel, but goes 1 step farther. Android, the framework (not the OS), is written on top of the Java language and using a Java to bytecode compiler, is then run on a VM (Davlik) before being fed as native ARM code into the device through Linux' exposed syscall API to talk to the hardware, as presented by the driver layer (Linux translates the system calls to actual driver calls so that Davlik doesn't need to know what the underlying hardware is). But if one compiles Davlik for x86 instead of ARM, you can then run Android applications on top of x86 based devices (like Intel's new SoC for smartphones/tablets).

So the software doesn't know what architecture it's running on, it needs to know the Android framework. The Android framework needs to compile to bytecode to run on Davlik. Davlik knows of Linux system call interfaces. Linux knows about its driver architecture. The driver knows about the hardware.

All of that, so the software doesn't need to know any real fundamental details about the underlying hardware.

But of course, you'd need to actually know a thing or two about writing software and how modern OSes work to understand any of this. Feel free to go on thinking that "Android = Phone with a kaaaaybooooard then a touch screeeeeenn!!". :rolleyes: Don't let those stupid facts get in the way.

The fact is simple : Android and iOS are very different beasts. You want to claim the HTC Desire or the Samsung Galaxy SII is an iPhone clone ? Do so, that's another topic. You claimed with specifity that Android (the OS, software, the frameworks, name it) is a clone of iOS. Do you even understand the design philophies behind both OSes enough to make such a claim ? The UI design paradigms and where they come from ? Because frankly, I doesn't seem like it to me.

In fact, I'd claim ChrisTX is a blatant copy of all the other people that don't know squat about this subject in this case.
 
As I understand it, Apple's position is that Samsung is free to make phones and tablets. They feel that Samsung's products create consumer confusion, by intentionally making them like Apple's products.

Apple didn't invent the tablet. They've never claimed that they did. There have been many attempts to make tablets before. Apple was just the first to design and build a tablet that people actually wanted. It's not simply that Samsung makes a tablet and it's rectangular – it's way beyond that.

Beginning with Samsung's hardware which is extremely similar to the iPad and iPhone, especially if you look at the direction of their products, pre-iPhone.

After emulating Apple's hardware, they copied the charging block and connectors which are nearly identical to Apple's

After the hardware, charging block and cables, they implemented a free operating system that is strikingly similar to Apple's OS.

After the hardware, charging block, cables and OS, they focus on emulating Apple's package design and graphics.

After the hardware, charging block, cables , OS and package design with graphical design, they now reported to be working on their own online app store, which oddly enough closely resembles Apple's app store.

Samsung is also reported to be opening their own retail store in Australia. As luck would have it, it'll be located near Apple's store. Im going to go out on a limb and bet the store design will resemble the Apple store too.

It's not that Samsung copies one or two things, they emulate everything from start to finish. Why? To create consumer confusion. The iPhone and iPad have been a tremendous hit and they are just content to ride on Apple's coat tails.

Stating "how else can you design a tablet" doesn't fly. Microsoft made their tablet unique. Stating "How else can you design a mobile OS" doesn't fly. Again Microsoft did that too. It CAN and has been done. Packaging and trade dress? Yes, the only way to design your actual product boxes and the product graphics is like Apple's packaging. There is no other way to do that either.

The fact is Samsung COULD have done their own thing and created something unique, but that would require taking a risk. It was far easier (and safer) to simply emulate the market leader as closely as possible from the hardware, charging block and cables, OS, packaging and follow up with a similar a appstore design and retail stores.

This is no accident. I have personally watched while consumers (less savvy than the people who frequent these tech blogs) ask for and think that they are buying an iPhone or iPad, but what they actually bought was an Android device. Other less savvy consumers were aggressively steered away from what they asked for and were instead pushed toward Android devices while being told it's the exact same thing. One sales rep even said "Look at the box, even it's the same!"
 
try again. That notification center tech was created by an indie developer and both Android and iOS merely license it.

Your time to try again

The preview for SBSettings was released October 2008 and I remember this quite well, I was following this very closely.

http://www.ifans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104790

The first Android SDK was released September 2008, with the notifications. You can find the change logs to see that the notifications were there already.

http://gizmodo.com/5054472/download-android-10-sdknow

As far as I know, the notification was built in before version 0.9 but I cannot remember for sure and I do not have a link to prove it.
 
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