Apple Wins Preliminary Injunction Against Samsung Galaxy Tab Sales in U.S.

[Jb07]

Design patents are a complex issue, but note how Apple still tried to block the GS3 launch. It may have been a software thing, but they attempted to block its launch without ever having seen one.

Apple tried to block the GS3 launch by filing lawsuits over the unified search patents, but the request was denied before the GS3 launch.
According to this article this is just to stop users from buying the GS3, because then they won't want to buy the iPhone.
Because God forbid people have choices and want to buy something other than the iPhone.

 

[Glideslope]

Once the Surface comes to market, Apple will really have something to worry about. They'll have real competition and nothing to sue over. Now that will be comical.

Yea, that seamless MS Ecosystem is the Cat's A**.

You'll be in for a surprise in September.

 

[Bezetos]

And let me guess....

Google's new tablet, announced today, is also "stealing" from Apple? Different proportions, virtual buttons instead of physical ones, but it's still stealing, right?

 

[KnightWRX]

I'm going to save myself some time here. Obviously, someone is going to keep saying Android is a blatant copy of iOS, which Apple isn't even claiming themselves, nor suing over (no lawsuits against Google). Here is a post debunking that god awful myth that shows ignorance of iOS' design vs Android's design :

Yes it is, because a lot of people keep calling a OS, a piece of software, a "RIM like" interface, which is a hardware form factor (the blackberry style PDA/Phone).

Obviously, a lot of confused folk about what is and isn't Android, how it changed and didn't change.

Android is very much Android. If anything, it is inspired by Andy Rubin's previous work at his own Danger Inc. on the Hip top software/hardware. But Android is not hardware. It has no "iPhone" form factor or "BB" form factor.

A lot of you people claiming there even was a transition in Android between these form factors are missing the entire point of thing : A piece of software, namely an operating system distribution that is hardware agnostic.

Android today and still the same as it was :

Yes, that phone was released in the later 2.x days of Android. Funny how for a phone that doesn't have a "RIM" like interface ? Don't you people get it by now ? You're not even discussing the UI or the software, you're discussing the OEM's choice of hardware! That's a big world of difference between the hardware a OS runs on and the actual OS...

I don't even know why I bother with this crap anymore. It's not like you people even want to understand this stuff. You hate Android because Steve "hated" Android (according to Isaacson who wants you to plop down cash for his turd of a book).

BTW, this is Android 1.0 :

This is Ice Cream Sandwich, Android 4.0 :

Both are pretty much the same. Widgets, application launchers that can be positionned anywhere on screen according to user input. The UI didn't change much, except for its theming and styling. The core of it has remained the same. The core of it is also quite different from iOS' UI. Here for reference :

Rigid icon grid, no way to move things around as the icons place themselves linearly, completing existing rows and pages before creating new ones. This is minimalist, it is recognizable from one device to the other.

The design goals with both these UIs are quite different. Andy and Google went with user customization in mind, making the device the users device'. Apple went with a different approach, a strict UI that is unbending to a user' will so that any user that picks up any iOS device will instantly recognize how to use it efficiently.

Both approaches have merit, both target different audiences. To claim one is a copy of the other or vice versa is inane. It's ignorant of every aspect of the design of both and it ignores the fundamental differences between the systems. To tie any particular software to a device form factor is also quite inane and simplistic view of software development. It lacks understanding of the whole thing. It's very "consumerish" and shows a great lack of understanding for the technical details. Almost as if we were talking with laymen...

My last post on this ridiculous subject of "copying". Now can we discuss the actual thread topic ?

 

[Glideslope]

Over a billion Office users? What would you like to wager?

Office for iPad is almost ready to ship.

 

[melendezest]

That is NOT Android and even, the Galaxy icons are not the homescreen

Ok, dude. It's not an EXACT copy. My point is that it was obvious cloning. Android was even advertised in a way that implied that it is iOS done right (I concede that in some ways, and for many, it is). To your point, Android has differentiated itself quite a bit since the early days given it's high customization ability. On the other hand, it is not absolutely dissimilar, like Windows Phone 7 is. However, Samsung has purposefully, blatantly made everything look like Apple's stuff:

http://samsungcopiesapple.tumblr.com/

You can debate everything to death, but damn. If you don't see the evidence in the link as proof that Samsung is copying Apple blatantly, then OK. Whatever, man.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care whether or not people like Android. But to imply that it is an "original" and "unique" product is a bit disingenuous. Android is Google's "take" on iOS.

Win Phone 7/8 is Microsoft's different take on a mobile OS. I would love to see what would happen is someone came out with a "live-tiled", flat-primary colored mobile OS similar to Microsoft's.

 

[Ryth]

 

[Lennholm]

Samsung did.

Also yes some folks do confuse them. I've seen it. Was at a best buy and heard someone make the comment 'these iPads are cheaper' while standing at a tablet of Android tablets. They didn't understand that iPad is not a generic term. The sales guy tried to explain it but it wasn't sinking it because they 'look the same'. Sure this was a 60 something year old who might not be real tech savvy but that is kind of Apples point.

So because people don't realize the difference between "iPad" and "tablet" they should be considered synonymous and Apple should have the sole rights to everything called "a tablet"?
Why should it be Samsung's problem that Apple have managed to make people think that iPad is a type of device rather than a product from a certain manufacturer?

 

[SockRolid]

"It's very important that Apple not become the developer to the world."

- Tim Cook, 4/24/2012, on FYQ2 earnings call

 

[samcraig]

Re; Samsung opening up an online app market.

FYI - they've had an app market for quite awhile now for their internet enabled TVs. Extending that to phones is a no brainer.

And Apple did not invent the app store. They might have made it popular but they didn't invent the app store.

 

[AppleScruff1]

I don't get it. Are you physically unable to have an adult conversation on its own merits? Or is it emotional, spiritual, mental? Aidenshaw isn't behind you with a gun, is he?

Aiden is far more knowledgeable than I am on computers. I enjoy reading his posts because he backs them up with facts and many of the die hards here can't stand it when he proves them wrong. I stand by what I've said in this discussion because it is my opinion. All of what I said I think here may prove to be wrong, or perhaps some of it will be right. You say on one hand that the Average Joe doesn't care about what he uses, just what he does, yet someone you suggest that Apple provides a superior environment for that, which would be an opinion. The fact is the majority of the world runs on Windows, and there are probably hundreds of millions of users who would welcome a Windows based tablet. IMHO, these same people wouldn't consider Apple or Android.

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Speaking of comical, apparently you missed this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iliImcsOXi0

Admittedly, I first thought the same thing. But after seeing other articles, this video, and remembering who we are talking about, I realized that Apple really has nothing to worry about. By the time Microsoft gets the Surface to market in beta form, has time to collect all of the crash data and patch the OS, it will be so bloated and unusable that people will inevitably dump it and go to an iPad. If Microsoft gets it together enough to release a competitive product, wonderful. I just don't see it happening with the Surface.

I'm willing to bet that the surface will not be the only Windows based tablet. Do you think that the OEM's are going to stick with Android?

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Office for iPad is almost ready to ship.

So Microsoft is good when their software runs on Apple hardware, but no good anywhere else?

 

[Laird Knox]

Apple is doing the same thing with iOS and OSX. And they are doing it quite successfully. It's all up to Microsoft to put it together so it works the way it's supposed to in consumers hands. None of us have any idea if they will or not. If they pay attention like they did with Windows 7, it will do well. If not, then it won't be a significant player. But also remember that it is highly unlikely that Microsoft will be the only company selling a Windows 8 tablet in either flavor. They're just giving it a jump start. The OEM's will follow suit.

Apple isn't doing the same thing - iOS and OS/S run on different types of devices. Windows 8 and RT both run on tablets.

I think Win 8 will be a well designed OS - it has to be. I'm just afraid it will get derailed with two tablets running different systems.

 

[KnightWRX]

Don't get me wrong, I don't care whether or not people like Android. But to imply that it is an "original" and "unique" product is a bit disingenuous. Android is Google's "take" on iOS.

Enlighten us in what way then. How is Android even a "take" on iOS ? What do they share ?

- Frameworks ?
- UI design paradigms ?
- Kernel level operations ?
- Software runtime architecture ?

Which is it ? (gah, I promised not to continue this dumb debate, yet even when it's all spelled out 2 posts earlier, people continue to make this ridiculous claim without ever providing specifics of what they mean).

 

[samcraig]

I'm also willing to bet that Microsoft's "blooper" when demoing their tablet isn't the first time someone has demoed a product in front of a large audience and had it fail. Now WHERE could I have seen that happen before. I wonder...

Glitches happen. They are unfortunate - but no matter how many times you test something - it's more than likely that the one time it will fail is when a video is being recorded.

 

[Bonfire22]

Re; Samsung opening up an online app market.

FYI - they've had an app market for quite awhile now for their internet enabled TVs. Extending that to phones is a no brainer.

And Apple did not invent the app store. They might have made it popular but they didn't invent the app store.

If you are referring to me, I never claimed that Apple invented the concept of an AppStore. I was making reference to the reports that the Samsung store's design is nearly identical to Apple's AppStore. But of course the Android fans will argue that that is the only way you can design an AppStore. That is until someone else does it.

The funny thing is Apple isn't always the first, but in many cases it's their implementation of ideas that seems to be better and then emulated by others. Not always though. I have seen some great ideas that were seeded in the iOS jailbreak community and the Android app community.

 

[samcraig]

KnightWRX - what you are experiencing here is the psychological principal called groupthink. "The practice of thinking or making decisions as a group in a way that discourages creativity or individual responsibility."

So called "experts" here most likely have never even picked up an Android device and/or have played with it for a very short of time vs using their iPhones/iPads/etc for years.

You'll never get the answer you seek because it involves a greater "awareness" and lack of ignorance (and I mean the definition as it's intended not as an insult) that most aren't willing to expose themselves too. For years they have read forums and news sites tailored to the way they think and since they've seen the same things posted over and over - have just accepted them as fact. Now - it's not even how they think, per se - it's just a regurgitation of information. And so often - it's information that is extremely outdated at that.

Enlighten us in what way then. How is Android even a "take" on iOS ? What do they share ?

- Frameworks ?
- UI design paradigms ?
- Kernel level operations ?
- Software runtime architecture ?

Which is it ? (gah, I promised not to continue this dumb debate, yet even when it's all spelled out 2 posts earlier, people continue to make this ridiculous claim without ever providing specifics of what they mean).

 

[Bonfire22]

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As you correctly point out there are some tablet designs that don't closely resemble Apple's iPad to any great degree.

Yet the fact remains that the best selling tablets and phones that aren't Apple devices, resemble what exactly? Oh yes, Apple's devices.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Apple isn't doing the same thing - iOS and OS/S run on different types of devices. Windows 8 and RT both run on tablets.

I think Win 8 will be a well designed OS - it has to be. I'm just afraid it will get derailed with two tablets running different systems.

It will give the user the choice of what they want, just a tablet or a tablet that is actually a powerful pc. Again, it all has to be done right and work well for it to succeed. And what will Samsung, Dell, HP etc bring to the table with their versions? It should prove to be interesting and give the consumer some additional choices.

 

[Ryth]

As you correctly point out there are some tablet designs that don't closely resemble Apple's iPad to any great degree.

Yet the fact remains that the best selling tablets and phones that aren't Apple devices, resemble what exactly? Oh yes, Apple's devices.

Um...no sh-t?

The point of those images is to show the competition copies Apple...

Hence the before iPad and after iPad products..

 

[lilo777]

"It's very important that Apple not become the developer to the world."

- Tim Cook, 4/24/2012, on FYQ2 earnings call

Is that why their R&D budget is so small and they rarely (if ever) develop any new technologies?

 

[ristlin]

I think Apple would stand to lose more by a severed relationship than Samsung.

Doubtful, seeing how Apple isn't being more careful with their legal crusade. It could also be a bluff, who knows.

 

[LordVic]

Don't get me wrong, I don't care whether or not people like Android. But to imply that it is an "original" and "unique" product is a bit disingenuous. Android is Google's "take" on iOS.

Win Phone 7/8 is Microsoft's different take on a mobile OS. I would love to see what would happen is someone came out with a "live-tiled", flat-primary colored mobile OS similar to Microsoft's.

hi,

Palm would like it's UI back

 

[AP_piano295]

hi,

Palm would like it's UI back

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Buh buh buuh...Apple invented the grid....

 

[ristlin]

KnightWRX - what you are experiencing here is the psychological principal called groupthink. "The practice of thinking or making decisions as a group in a way that discourages creativity or individual responsibility."

So called "experts" here most likely have never even picked up an Android device and/or have played with it for a very short of time vs using their iPhones/iPads/etc for years.

You'll never get the answer you seek because it involves a greater "awareness" and lack of ignorance (and I mean the definition as it's intended not as an insult) that most aren't willing to expose themselves too. For years they have read forums and news sites tailored to the way they think and since they've seen the same things posted over and over - have just accepted them as fact. Now - it's not even how they think, per se - it's just a regurgitation of information. And so often - it's information that is extremely outdated at that.

No need to be self-righteous. Everyone, including yourself, is affected by groupthink.

I'm sure the majority of the Android haters have actually used one in a store or one that their friend owned. I know I have.

I think a lot of people are angry to see Samsung and Android seemingly copy Apple instead of producing something "better." It implies that neither Google or Samsung are willing to take a risk and try something new, as Apple has done (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/steve-ballmer-laughs-at-i_n_378518.html).

Granted, Google does try out a lot of new things, but no where near as much as the early days -- especially after the stinging failure of Google Wave and Google+.

 

[samcraig]

Doubtful, seeing how Apple isn't being more careful with their legal crusade. It could also be a bluff, who knows.

Apple has, with no doubt, negotiated an incredible price for Samsung's components based on quantity and also wanting as much exclusivity for their components. If Samsung were to lose Apple's business - they would turn around and sell to anyone/everyone they could and they would benefit financially. More work - but also more reward.

In addition - Samsung doesn't JUST make components for phones. They have several uses for their components.

It's definitely a win-win situation for both parties to stay in business. And BUSINESS is what this is all about. As personal as people in these forums want to make this - it's not personal. Except maybe for the late, Steve Jobs.

These lawsuits aren't about people hating people. They are about business. So the concept of some "vendetta" is a bit of personification that I don't believe truly exists.