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I’m just worried they are going to come after my Casio next.

In any case what does Tassimo have to do with Apple Watch?
 
Huge win for Masimo. Apple tried to sue for nothing and got nothing in return.

The case is basically saying Masimo violated the round ornamental design found the back of the watch. Sure, but who cares?

People like you who cares when Apple violates patents?
 
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We are talking an ornamental design violation here. Masimo can simply change the back of their watch and charging puck from circular to a square shape. Issue resolved.

Apple is violating Masimo’s fundamental SpO2 design using diodes and photoreceptors. That’s a completely different situation.

There’s no comparison. Masimo has successfully worked with Fitbit, Garmin, and countless others on licensing. Apple tried playing hardball by not paying up and clearly failed.

But why are you only condemning Apple when they violate patens and not Masimo?
 
In my opinion Apple went after Masimo because if Apple won they would have some leverage over Masimo and I believe Apple would have used that leverage to get Masimo to allow Apple to use the pulse oximetry patents so Apple can bring back the blood oxygen monitoring feature.
 
But why are you only condemning Apple when they violate patens and not Masimo?
Probably because when Masimo released their 'alleged' infringing watch Apple did nothing, they appeared to be not interested in taking Masimo to court. The ONLY reason Apple sued Masimo for infringement of Apple design patents is when Masimo sued Apple for breach of Masimo's pulse oximetry patents a case which Masimo won. Apple being the wounded dog decided to get their own back on Masimo by counter suing them for infringement of design patents. If Masimo infringed on Apple's design patent's, why didn't Apple take Masimo to court the day they released the watch? Apple got angry that they lost the pulse oximetry patents case so they decided to get their own back by counter suing Masimo, something Apple was supposed to have done the day Masimo released their infringing watch but the fact of the matter is Apple did nothing. Apple ONLY raised the issue as revenge for losing the pulse oximetry patents case.
 
Because this lawsuit has nothing to do with the SpO2 sensor. The SpO2 lawsuit was already finished earlier this year. Those patents don't expire until August 25, 2028. Nothing left for Apple to do except appeal on some kind of error in law or jurisdiction, which basically has no chance of success. At this point, the story is becoming boring. It's clear Apple can enter a licensing agreement, add the sensor hardware back to U.S. models, but they just don't want to.

The federal case against the ITC but also the cases to invalidate the patens are still ongoing.
 
Probably because when Masimo released their 'alleged' infringing watch Apple did nothing, they appeared to be not interested in taking Masimo to court. The ONLY reason Apple sued Masimo for infringement of Apple design patents is when Masimo sued Apple for breach of Masimo's pulse oximetry patents a case which Masimo won. Apple being the wounded dog decided to get their own back on Masimo by counter suing them for infringement of design patents. If Masimo infringed on Apple's design patent's, why didn't Apple take Masimo to court the day they released the watch? Apple got angry that they lost the pulse oximetry patents case so they decided to get their own back by counter suing Masimo, something Apple was supposed to have done the day Masimo released their infringing watch but the fact of the matter is Apple did nothing. Apple ONLY raised the issue as revenge for losing the pulse oximetry patents case.

So you're arguing its ok to break patents in certain circumstances and it it's a good thing to defend multi-billion dollar companies when they to so?
 
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Yes, Masimo does not have Disposable Cash reserves like Juggernaut Apple 🍎 does. The best patent lawyers probably charge minimum $100/hour for there services.

If Masimo can’t extend or renew there patents, then they will do a deal with Apple before there patents expire.
It’s probably not that expensive to extend or renew patents. $100 an hour isn’t that much to even a small company. Lawyers get a lot more expensive than that.

There’s nothing saying they can’t renew the patents that they’re not going to sell a product for and out of spite not share them with Apple. I hope they don’t do that because it would hurt both parties involved. A good outcome would be both sides get rich off of this.
 
The original article frames this result as a win though symbolic for Apple but I interpret this as a net loss.

if I understand correctly Apple lost on all the most important issues and only won the smallest award possible for a patent that doesn't apply to any of its current products. Massimo was released from everything else:

"“Apple primarily sought an injunction against Masimo’s current products, and the jury’s verdict is a victory for Masimo on that issue,” Masimo’s statement said."

 
Masimo have a Market Cap of 7.45B. Can we please stop saying nonsense? You're not going to buy a company that big for this matter. Oh boy...
Buying Masimo would be pennies to Apple 🍎 Ok so they wait 3 years when the patent expires and save that $7.45 Billion.
 
Buying Masimo would be pennies to Apple 🍎 Ok so they wait 3 years when the patent expires and save that $7.45 Billion.

I am sure someone at Apple has already done the calculation (or more likely an entire model incorporating several scenerios) and I guess the decision was this...

However, their net cost would be less than that. Masimo is a working company with real revenue and profit. They could buy the whole company and then spinoff the non-consumer side with an perpetual license for the non-consumer use (i.e. medical) for billions.

Or if Apple wants to really sell into the health care industry B2B-style, they would keep the medical side and start pushing their other products through those channels/established business relationships.
 
And why would Masimo settle with Apple unless it’s the money 💰 they want? Masimo has the upper hand 🖐️ here as they have won all the Big main Lawsuits. This recent one is only for a measly $250 lol 😂
Becuase they know the last couple patents that haven't been thrown out yet will most likely be thrown out seeing how they are weakest of all the patents. And if they do get tossed Apple will sue Masimo for lost revenue.
 
I am sure someone at Apple has already done the calculation (or more likely an entire model incorporating several scenerios) and I guess the decision was this...

However, their net cost would be less than that. Masimo is a working company with real revenue and profit. They could buy the whole company and then spinoff the non-consumer side with an perpetual license for the non-consumer use (i.e. medical) for billions.

Or if Apple wants to really sell into the health care industry B2B-style, they would keep the medical side and start pushing their other products through those channels/established business relationships.
Apple 🍎 paid Intel $1 Billion just for there Modem division alone and modem patents.

I think Apple will just patiently wait the 3 years or if Masimo just makes a good deal that Apple could not refuse.
 
Masimo have a Market Cap of 7.45B. Can we please stop saying nonsense? You're not going to buy a company that big for this matter. Oh boy...
As of March 30, 2024, Apple had $162.3 billion in cash, while I don't think Apple would buy them, they have the cash to do it.
 
Not necessarily. The ban blocks Apple (and others) from importing for sale. Personal use import may be allowed as such exemptions are not uncommon. Its not a quick search to find details for this case - I’m curious and will need to research further
Okay. So here’s the thing, if you have it imported where are you buying it from? That sale is an import and illegal. Now if you travel to a country where they sell it, sure buy yourself one. The point is your solution is no solution at all. 99% of people aren’t going to travel from USA to another country just to buy an Apple Watch. That’s absurd.
 
they can renew it

I think this comes down poor advertising of patent “renewal” services. But it’s just maintenance. Patents generally expire in about 20 years.

Not necessarily. The ban blocks Apple (and others) from importing for sale. Personal use import may be allowed as such exemptions are not uncommon. Its not a quick search to find details for this case - I’m curious and will need to research further

I think you’re describing the probability of getting caught by customs as a single person, ordering a single device. Its practically unenforceable against single people, but it is still legally enforceable.

Only up to 20 years (maintenance payments at 3, 7, and 11 years). If they miss a payment it expires then. It will expire at 20 no matter what. What is the date of issue for these patents?

Right, ~20 years depending on how it’s originally filed.

It’s probably not that expensive to extend or renew patents. $100 an hour isn’t that much to even a small company. Lawyers get a lot more expensive than that.

There’s nothing saying they can’t renew the patents that they’re not going to sell a product for and out of spite not share them with Apple. I hope they don’t do that because it would hurt both parties involved. A good outcome would be both sides get rich off of this.

You’re missing a zero on your ‘best’ patent lawyer estimated hourly rate, and about $1,400 too low for the top tier litigators of these patent disputes.

Edit, I should probably clarify “you” were quoting the $100 estimate from someone else. And patent lawyers most often charge flat-rate, their hourly rate is opaque.
 
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