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I couldn’t imagine a better metaphor than iTunes, to showcase the dramatic rise and fall of a once great company.
iTunes changed the world.
Apple changed the world.

Now they are both sad memes of themselves. The Charlie Sheen and Johnny Depp of tech if you will.

Well, I won’t.

iTunes became too bloated over the years, and confusing to boot. Apple is creating new, separate apps to address these issues, and I’m sure the new software will be sleeker and more refined, with less clutter.

The fact of the matter is that Apple is eliminating the headaches of users who—especially in these forums—have griped about over the years. Good tech companies do that.

The Tiger Woods and Robert Downey Jr. of tech, if you will.
 
Legacy use of iTunes will still continue beyond 10.15. Too many users will delay migration to separate programs, and just like when "iBooks" became a thing, you could delete the App and reclaim your books under iTunes for organization.
Don't worry about what Apple tries to do to macOS, plenty of work arounds will be created.
For those that welcome whatever 10.15 does to your music library files, my advice is to make all your music "read only" after you set it up so that you will not loose your meta-data. Make a backup and then see what happens.
About 2 years ago I lost a whole bunch of data organization due to iTunes crapping out. I learned then that I could not have iTunes copy my media and just "link" to it for the library file it creates. So, once I organized my restored media I made the files "ready only" so that iTunes could not change them. Not only has this saved me problems in the future, when I moved from Apple hardware to Hackintosh I was able to keep all my meta-data safe and import each portion without loss of my tweaks. A pain in the butt and lots of work to import; the end result was well worth it.
There are many ways to use iTunes or any media organizer/player. Apple really can not re-invent the wheel on how we keep our media and separating each part like in iOS will not really change the library you have set up. Curation is the user's responsibility.
 
I just really hope the iTunes replacement is a well-designed and functional app. So many people hate iTunes, but I honestly like it. Other than random sync bugs it's fast on an SSD iMac and organizes/plays all my media without issue. I haven't found any alternative I like better.
Same here. I love it. Never any problems for me and I've been using iTunes since 2002.
 
So they're finally fixing the bloated, slow, memory hog Swiss Army knife mess that is iTunes into separate music, TV, and movie apps which they should have done from day one.

Wow, so innovative, such Silicon Valley brilliance...it will change the world! And "dark mode" coming in iOS!

Those magicians in Cupertino.
 
I mean, 1. I'm coming around to the idea of iTunes no longer being my entertainment hub on my lappy, even if iMazing doesn't work for non-iOS iPods.
but
2. How did they manage to scrub their info from FB? I know lots of individuals and businesses who have been trying and the best Chrome extension (Social Book Post Manager) no longer works. The Greasemonkey and Tampermonkey scripts no longer work, either—most won't even install now.
 
So they're finally fixing the bloated, slow, memory hog Swiss Army knife mess that is iTunes into separate music, TV, and movie apps which they should have done from day one.

Wow, so innovative, such Silicon Valley brilliance...it will change the world! And "dark mode" coming in iOS!

Those magicians in Cupertino.

I have a feeling that you’re a piss-poor problem solver at work. One of those always griping to HR kind of guys. A change manager’s dream.

If Apple is solving the problems that its users have complained loudly about over the years, where is your gripe in that?

It’s as if you can’t stand a new car model coming out each year because they still roll on four tires, and therefore the auto industry can’t innovate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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I seriously cannot understand all the complaints about iTunes.

If somebody could quickly summarize what they don't like about it, I'd greatly appreciate it. I hope the next app is, well largely the same... because I cannot find anything so wrong about it that it desperately needs a replacement and all the hate it gets. I just hope Apple doesn't dumb it down and messes up our neatly crafted music libraries.

(and yes, I'm running the latest version of iTunes, so it's not some old but great version of it which people can't let go)

It does NOT work perfectly for music.

Every single time I fire up iTunes and go to music, I end up spending an hour or so replacing album covers. iTunes looks to the Apple store for that, and if an album has been pulled from the store, there goes your album covers and metadata - because they don't keep the metadata there, even if they did sell it in the past. We aren't talking obscure albums, we are talking million selling albums, or in the case of Rumors by Fleetwood Mac (20+ million in the US alone). One day, I got to replace all of my Fleetwood Mac album covers, another day I had to go and replace the Kiss covers, and on and on (and on)....

It also seems to have issues with the size of the album covers and whether or not it is a jpg or a png.

And there is yet another issue when the album covers won't show up. They are there if you go into the info, but they don't show up in the app, until you go to song view, and then switch back to album view.

And Cthulhu forbid that you have music that isn't sold in the US. At one point, I had to spoof a UK iTunes account to grab album covers off the UK version of the iTunes store.

The less said about how iTunes handles Classical Music, the better.

Oh, and then there is the charming bug that deletes what it thinks is duplicate movies that aren't duplicates - they are remakes, and there is no way short of hand-jamming the information into iTunes to keep that from happening.

If they would just fix the #!&^## bugs, it would be fine.

I have a 6+TB iTunes library (50,000+ songs, 1,700 movies, and 1,000+ tv shows) and I dread moving to something else.

Oh, and to head off the inevitable questions.....

Yes - I need all of it. P.T. Barnum sold Apple users in the 10.2 era to Make your computer the hub of your digital lifestyle. Some of us went all in on that because at the time, iTunes was the best thing going.

No - I am not putting anything on the cloud - the cloud is a solution in search of a problem. I don't have to worry about any content disappearing because a studio pulled a movie from Apple. And the less said about internet access in JebbusLand, the better.

Re: Deleted duplicate movies (or, there is nothing new under the sun...) - A significant portion of movies made today are remakes of earlier movies. Why have both? Watch The Crown Thomas Affair with Steve McQueen and Fay Dunaway and then the remake with Pierce Brosnan and Rene Russo. Or that The Hustle is a remake of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, which was a remake of School for Scoundrels?
 
iTunes was always one of the worst, slowest, and most bloated programs ever created. On par with the original Realplayer if anyone is old enough to know that program.

I mean, you probably only need to be about 20 to remember it. That POS came out when I was like 10 and I’m only 35.
 
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“Music is a magical app that will bring your music to you, in one place, so that you don’t have to search for it anymore. We have gone to great lengths to make this the best music experience ever. We want our users to have an experience, and that’s Music ... and it’s magically amazing.”
and it’s $14.99 per month ...
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My only hope is that they don’t totally nerf the replacement products and remove all the audio codecs I use to convert my files. I never had much in the way of complaints about iTunes, and the matter what way you cut it, it was a powerful tool for music library management.
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Yeah, even if they do it right, and I hope they do, I’m holding on to the last stable release of iTunes for compatibility reasons until it’s no longer practical.
just look at QuickTime 10 for reference...it’s just woeful compared to QT7. FCP7 Vs FCP X, their track record is not good.
 
Great. I suppose that shared libraries via Home Sharing will be going out the window then. Instead of 1 library, there will be 3 to deal with?
 
Now when it first launched. It was smooth, fast and very responsive for it's first few years. It only became the bloated pile of poop after a few versions as they added more and more things without ever making sure it was efficient and optimised.

Yep. It was around the time they were removing “brushed metal” from everything when all of their applications took a massive nosedive in performance.

Mac OS 10.4 and iTunes 4.x were Apples peak in terms of stability and fluidity.
 
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But why? I get that Music, Books, and Podcasts are replacing the iTunes app, but the store will still exist. There's still a place for those accounts. And based on leaked iOS 13 screenshots, we'll still have the iTunes Store on iPhone.

I hope we still have store! I prefer to purchase my music. I also have a load of song on iTunes Match which are not available on Apple Music.
 
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Could this then mean that the separate music and tv and podcast apps will appear in Mojave 10.14.6?
Possibly as we've not seen a 10.14.6 beta for 16 days.
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I truly hope they are keeping iTunes Match service, or at least, they rebrand it to Apple Music Match.
Hopefully they'll bring back Ping.
 
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If somebody could quickly summarize what they don't like about it, I'd greatly appreciate it.

I’ve long since switched to Spotify. I had a massive library back in the day and it was great. And then they tried to do too much. They moved everything around every update and it sucked. I couldn’t find my podcasts, these days I can’t even tell how my library is organized. It just became a shell of what it was. I’m sure I could figure it out, but it was a pain so I didn’t. There just seems to be no logical layout in it anymore, which I find to be quite unlike Apple of old.
 
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Implication is that the iTunes -> Breakout Apps transition will happen nowish during Mojave's run. Good way to stagger the rollout, I suppose. And it also decouples these apps from the 32-bit cutoff in 10.15, so people who need to stay on 10.14 for a while will still get the new spread of things.
That's an excellent point. If you want everyone on board with your switchover you need everyone on board. This could also signal these new apps are coming for Windows.

I couldn’t imagine a better metaphor than iTunes, to showcase the dramatic rise and fall of a once great company.
iTunes changed the world.
Apple changed the world.

Now they are both sad memes of themselves. The Charlie Sheen and Johnny Depp of tech if you will.
Dial-up modems and fax machines changed the world, too.

iTunes has had a damn fine run, and if it's run its course then it's time to let go.
 
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