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I thought Sweeny’s comments after the ruling were that Epic wasn’t going to bring Fortnite back. Now that he realized nobody cared, he’s complaining that Apple won’t take him back?

Looks like his metaverse plans are going to have a big iOS sized hole in them.
 
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Sure, technically Apple as a company can decide who to do business with and who not to do business with. However, given all the anti monopoly investigations this isn't really a good look for Apple.
 
And this affects you how, exactly? Live your own life, not Apple’s.
I don't want them back either, I want Epic to crash and burn, then I want to p**s on their half dead, smouldering remains and laugh as the last bit of life is slowly and painfully choked from them! 😂
 
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Apple are such a bunch of petty sore losers, it’s really kind of pathetic. Everyone knows that they’ll be forced to reinstate Epic’s account eventually.
Yeah, but hurt Epic and Sweeney as much as possible in the mean time! I'm 100% behind apple!
 
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Should ban it completely.

And send Tim Sweeney to a mental asylum. He can lose his billionaire space brain and go nuts there.
 
Game over for Epic.

after no appeal verdict is given out (at this rate at SCOTUS level), Apple is likely going to give Epic permanent App Store ban for life and also banned from owning Apple products for life.

Tim messed with Cook, and this is what he will get. Apple played fair, and now he’s getting the wrath of Apple persevering Steve Job’s legacy of retribution.
 
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So let’s some it up. Epic didn’t care about their customers. They don’t care about money obviously as by starting this fiasco they’ve lost millions in revenues and lawyers fees. They’ve created hatred among their former players
Now they’re begging to come back to the App Store and Apple will not let them
In my opinion it’s time to move on
Better games out there.
Apple is right. What a waste of time for everyone
 
Game over for Epic.

after no appeal verdict is given out (at this rate at SCOTUS level), Apple is likely going to give Epic permanent App Store ban for life and also banned from owning Apple products for life.

Tim messed with Cook, and this is what he will get. Apple played fair, and now he’s getting the wrath of Apple persevering Steve Job’s legacy of retribution.
If Apple keeps going down that road then the monopoly argument will start looking mighty convincing in short order.
 
Not at all a fan of Epic. Thought their lawsuit was very poorly strategized. However also think that Apple is very wrong with this post-trial approach (which seems it came from "Legal"). IMHO Apple is really going to get exposed via discovery in the Eleftheriou suit. I know "Legal" thinks they are just going to bury this guy, but sometimes the folks with the prestigious degrees get it wrong. (Background: I once got a full week of prep by a huge group of defendant's lawyers as I was a primary witness for the prosecution - but worked for the defendant - in a pretty big tech monopolist lawsuit (via discovery of an email I wrote). IMNAL, but after spending a week of being prepped, I realized that there can be as much ego ("we're smarter then them - likely there were not Ivy-League...") in this stuff vs. common-sense re: discovery exposure. Something seems really off re: Eleftheriou. Apple seems to just have screwed the guy via their monopolist App Store position (again IMNAL). Eleftheriou seems to want to go nuclear and hats off to him for this as this the non-standard approach that can catch a "Legal" team with pants down.
If Apple's position in the trial (and if it was significant) was "it would welcome Epic return if they agree to play by the same rules as everyone else" and that was weighed by the judge in Apple's reasonability in the case, it seems Apple just shot themselves in the foot and it could be used against them. On the other hand, Apple probably realizes this and knows the penalty and is willing to go with it in exchange for messing up Epic for at least another round of appeal. Also Apple only said it would welcome their return, not how fast it would happen.
 
Seems about right to me. If I let you borrow my car on the condition that you fill the tank and you “forget”, I’m not gonna be too quick to let you borrow it again… certainly not while you’re screaming “BUT I DIDN’T INTENTIONALLY NOT DO IT, I JUST FORGOT!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM??”
Except in the case of Epic. They specifically told EVERYONE that they INTENTIONALLY didnt fill the tank in PROTEST to the rules.

So yeah. No forgiveness is owed.
 
If Apple's position in the trial (and if it was significant) was "it would welcome Epic return if they agree to play by the same rules as everyone else" and that was weighed by the judge in Apple's reasonability in the case, it seems Apple just shot themselves in the foot and it could be used against them. On the other hand, Apple probably realizes this and knows the penalty and is willing to go with it in exchange for messing up Epic for at least another round of appeal. Also Apple only said it would welcome their return, not how fast it would happen.
Right, so we should trust that Epic will follow the rules this time while they are appealing the judgement and continue to say the rules are no good? That worked out well last year for Epic right?
 
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did they though?? The literally got kicked off the store for using alternative payment methods, and the judge told Apple they couldn't force apps not to do that anymore.
That's not why they were kicked off. Nor is it what the judge ruled.

They were kicked off for implemented and embedding a separate and complete sales platform within the game. All from a server-side code injection that bypassed App Review.

The just ruled against Apple's anti-steering rule only. All that need be allowed is a mechanism to direct customers to a non-Apple payment platform.
 
did they though?? The literally got kicked off the store for using alternative payment methods, and the judge told Apple they couldn't force apps not to do that anymore.
The interpretation of that ruling has been highly debated. There is a strong argument that Epic's alternate payment method would still not be allowable.

Either way Epic hasn't been allowed back on the App Store so they can't even take advantage of it whatever will be allowed now.

So yes, Epic Lost.
 
If Apple keeps going down that road then the monopoly argument will start looking mighty convincing in short order.
Monopoly over smart phones? over gaming devices? Oh, you mean they have a monopoly on iPhone's ecosystem? Right that is a thing.... We should go after Home Depot for having a monopoly over their store shelves too.

This monopoly argument has no footing.
 
I have no real skin in this fight (not a Fortnite or Epic user) and I don't mind defaulting to Apple's payment ecosystem so the status quo is fine with me, but lets not go down the road of tribalism and retribution for retribution's sake. At the end of the day, we should really care about what's best for the customer right?
 
Epic. Epic fail. Epic incompetence. Epic arrogance. Epic stupidity. Epic need never come back to the App Store. I hope they are busy building their own hardware.
 
I have no real skin in this fight (not a Fortnite or Epic user) and I don't mind defaulting to Apple's payment ecosystem so the status quo is fine with me, but lets not go down the road of tribalism and retribution for retribution's sake. At the end of the day, we should really care about what's best for the customer right?
I think this is more about what rights a company has or doesn't. I don't think there is any ethical or moral or legal obligation for Apple to allow them in when they violently and purposely broke rules. If your neighbor kid comes into your house and sh**s on your sofa, I'm not sure you are under an obligation to allow him in - in the interest of 'non tribalism'.
 
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