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Apple Won't Allow Fortnite Back in the App Store Until Legal Battle Ends Due to Epic's 'Duplicitous Conduct'

Apple lied. Apple spent a year telling the world, the court, and the press they’d "welcome Epic’s return to the App Store if they agree to play by the same rules as everyone else"

Yeah, because you sued them and had a court change the rules, dips hit!
 
This is further confirming pretty much that Epic lost the case. Too bad they will have to wait years for they’re piece of the pie

and to Sweeney… apple reserves the right to change things last minute. THIS IS PUNISHMENT FOR ****ING APPLE ALL THIS TIME SO **** SWEENEY. you may have won your part but it will take years for them to go to the apple store

Poor Aurelio who trolls apple Facebook pages and pro Epic fans are going to have a cry over this😂😂😂
 
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ddtmm said:
And this affects you how, exactly? Live your own life, not Apple’s.
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as a share holder, this is in my best interest. Screw epic, they are a trash company with trash leadership.
I want them to bankrupt out of their own stupidity. Dont are if they all lose their jobs, Tim deserves it
 
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I mean, this is the equivalent of sh**ing on your bosses desk as you quit and then trying to get rehired. I can't really blame Apple here. Epic smeared Apple through the media and legal processes. Whoever turns out the victor in the end, great, but this seems like a just move.
 
bushman4 said:
They don’t care about money obviously
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They only care about money. The court documents show that the bulk of Epic's money comes from consoles, and Sweeney went to Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo to tell them that they were safe and Epic wouldn't be going after them next.
 
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needsomecoffee said:
Not at all a fan of Epic. Thought their lawsuit was very poorly strategized. However also think that Apple is very wrong with this post-trial approach (which seems it came from "Legal"). IMHO Apple is really going to get exposed via discovery in the Eleftheriou suit. I know "Legal" thinks they are just going to bury this guy, but sometimes the folks with the prestigious degrees get it wrong. (Background: I once got a full week of prep by a huge group of defendant's lawyers as I was a primary witness for the prosecution - but worked for the defendant - in a pretty big tech monopolist lawsuit (via discovery of an email I wrote). IMNAL, but after spending a week of being prepped, I realized that there can be as much ego ("we're smarter then them - likely there were not Ivy-League...") in this stuff vs. common-sense re: discovery exposure. Something seems really off re: Eleftheriou. Apple seems to just have screwed the guy via their monopolist App Store position (again IMNAL). Eleftheriou seems to want to go nuclear and hats off to him for this as this the non-standard approach that can catch a "Legal" team with pants down.

Link:
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The bitter lawsuit hanging over the Apple Watch’s new swipe keyboard

Apple’s head of keyboards stands accused of trying to crush competition
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Eleftheriou seems to be full of ****. His allegations are a bit wild, and seem to have been disproved by actual facts. But good luck with that.
 
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His letter doesn't really indicate that Epic is going to play by the same rules as everyone else. It doesn't quite address that. And if they have not backed down from the lawsuit, how are they agreeing to play by the rules? The issue has not concluded yet so their account is not reinstated. Seems natural. Did I misread something?
 
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Epic, was it worth it? This is going to cost your company millions!
Classic example of the term “unintended consequences”
 
Analog Kid said:
They only care about money. The court documents show that the bulk of Epic's money comes from consoles, and Sweeney went to Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo to tell them that they were safe and Epic wouldn't be going after them next.
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Makes sense seeing how gaming consoles are specialized appliances often sold at a loss or very minimal profit and rely on software licensing to generate revenue. I’m pretty sure that Apple has never sold any of their devices at a loss.
 
Art Mark said:
I think this is more about what rights a company has or doesn't. I don't think there is any ethical or moral or legal obligation for Apple to allow them in when they violently and purposely broke rules. If your neighbor kid comes into your house and sh**s on your sofa, I'm not sure you are under an obligation to allow him in - in the interest of 'non tribalism'.
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Exactly. This was a not retribution or tribalism. Apple absolutely MUST take this position in response to a developer that has consistently flaunted the letter and the spirit of their agreement. If Apple doesn’t intentionally take this position and jealousy protect their right to suspend developers, they will effectively lose any standing to do so in the future either with Epic or another developer.

Sweeney is trying to win in the court of public opinion because he knows they can’t win in grown-up court.
 
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It's stuff like this that makes me love WebAssembly. And any year now, maybe we'll get a functional data-driven framework for web page UI but something built in to most browsers and not dependent on the absurdity of Javascript.
 
ddtmm said:
Both sides seem to be acting like children a bit, but Epic more so. Epic should stop trying to let the court of public opinion try to influence the court decisions by airing all their petty tidbits through Twitter. Clearly it’s not working. I think they could use some new legal advice and strategy.
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This is not childish on Apple’s part at all. Apple’s lawyers, and Apple, rightfully fear that if Epic comes back into the store, Epic will use the opportunity to try some new tactic to try and hurt Apple’s case - they’ll do something else that is against the rules, but which seems, at first blush, like it should be ok, or they’ll try to develop new fact patterns that can be used in the litigation. Why on earth should Apple permit Epic to use Apple’s own infrastructure and products as weapons against Apple, which is something Epic has already done and which they appear ready to try again?
 
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cmaier said:
This is not childish on Apple’s part at all. Apple’s lawyers, and Apple, rightfully fear that if Epic comes back into the store, Epic will use the opportunity to try some new tactic to try and hurt Apple’s case - they’ll do something else that is against the rules, but which seems, at first blush, like it should be ok, or they’ll try to develop new fact patterns that can be used in the litigation. Why on earth should Apple permit Epic to use Apple’s own infrastructure and products as weapons against Apple, which is something Epic has already done and which they appear ready to try again?
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So, in other words, Apple knows that many of their ******** App Store policies wouldn’t stand up in court.
 
alex2792 said:
Makes sense seeing how gaming consoles are specialized appliances often sold at a loss or very minimal profit and rely on software licensing to generate revenue. I’m pretty sure that Apple has never sold any of their devices at a loss.
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I don't know why Epic ever raised this distinction to begin with-- think about it for 30 seconds and it's clearly absurd to anyone who understands business.

As a legal argument, that is. As a PR argument, their target market is 14 year olds who know **** all about how the world actually works and are more easily swayed by "stick it the man" arguments.
 
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alex2792 said:
So, in other words, Apple knows that many of their ******** App Store policies wouldn’t stand up in court.
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That’s a strawman. Would you let someone to come into your business if you knew they intended to try and create situations they could sue over? That they would drop fruit on the floor and pretend to trip on it? That they would try and pick fights with the cashier and see if they could get themselves punched? Who needs the hassle?

The *only* reason Epic wants back in the store is it hopes to create new situations it can sue over.

And just like the suit they already tried, they will lose. But why should Apple welcome those suits? In the American system, Apple has to pay its own lawyers, regardless of how stupid Epic’s lawsuits are.
 
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